INTP and IQ Testing

[Silvermoon]

Why do certain personality types, especially INTP (and INTJ) tend to score higher on IQ
tests? Is it
A.) INTP functions make the person more rational and thus more "intelligent"
B.) People who are more "intelligent" are more likely to develop INTP/J cognitive preferences
C.) The tests only test for things INTPs are good at, so others arent stupider they are just more developed in functions other than rationalizing, like emotional intelligence.

Personally, I am inclined to think the tests are biased, and this is coming from a supposedly "intelligent" person who scored 150. Thoughts?

 

[QuickTwist]

Why do certain personality types, especially INTP (and INTJ) tend to score higher on IQ
tests? Is it
A.) INTP functions make the person more rational and thus more "intelligent"
B.) People who are more "intelligent" are more likely to develop INTP/J cognitive preferences
C.) The tests only test for things INTPs are good at, so others arent stupider they are just more developed in functions other than rationalizing, like emotional intelligence.

Personally, I am inclined to think the tests are biased, and this is coming from a supposedly "intelligent" person who scored 150. Thoughts?

There are different parts to an IQ test... or at least there should be. Some people have a knack for words and can string complex sentences together like it is nothing. Other people have a knack for patterns and can be really good at understanding overall trends while others could be good at breaking things down into lowest common denominator. Some people are good at all of these. As far as I know these are some of the things an IQ test tries to measure. They don't include questions like "bobby is having a bad day. Bobby is your friend. How should you cheer Bobby up?" Things like that are rarely if ever even thought of to put on a test, if for no other reason than because it is an open ended question and it requires a level of empathy to come up with a good answer IMO.

 

[Irukanji]

They don't include questions like "bobby is having a bad day. Bobby is your friend. How should you cheer Bobby up?" Things like that are rarely if ever even thought of to put on a test, if for no other reason than because it is an open ended question and it requires a level of empathy to come up with a good answer IMO.

Even an INTP knows what is expected and could answer appropriately to get around the issue, but in practice it's a different ball game. In my opinion, anyway.

 

[QuickTwist]

Even an INTP knows what is expected and could answer appropriately to get around the issue, but in practice it's a different ball game. In my opinion, anyway.

My point wasn't that exact question. Its the principle. There is a moral dilemma and you have to choose how to fix it. That is my point. I'm not trying to say INTPs are stupid when it comes to empathy or anything like that. My point is that sometimes its harder to understand a social dynamic and/or moral dilemma that other types may be better at. Take an INFJ for example. They probably have gifts that INTPs don't have that cannot transfer to an IQ test and vise versa.

 

[Black Rose]

Why do certain personality types, especially INTP (and INTJ) tend to score higher on IQ
tests? Is it
A.) INTP functions make the person more rational and thus more "intelligent"
B.) People who are more "intelligent" are more likely to develop INTP/J cognitive preferences
C.) The tests only test for things INTPs are good at, so others arent stupider they are just more developed in functions other than rationalizing, like emotional intelligence.

Personally, I am inclined to think the tests are biased, and this is coming from a supposedly "intelligent" person who scored 150. Thoughts?

Introversion allows the brain to sink up the internal structure of thought that allows it to hold more. Ni allows the the content of a person's unconscious to merge together into a giant holistic process. The currents of reality move in a direction that Ni resonate with. INTJ have Te which is focused on how A gets to B. So it calculates the shortest path to achieve goals. They know what is going to happen so can decide what to do. In INTPs Ti is structured to calculate relationships by the symmetry of logic. Basically it is like the hierarchy of Aristotle's categorical systems and taxonomies. It allow INTPs to place anything they encounter into its proper place. In INTP Ne looks at ratio of objects in how they form an invariant representations of other objects. A toy car is just like a real car but smaller and so they can transform distorted representations into the same category as isomorphic structures for Ti to organise.

Currently I am ISTJ.

Si stores data and Te uses that data to inform it where the data can be used to find more data such as what I am describing now. I constantly update whether the data is correct or not. I do this by observing how other people behave and explain things. That way I understand how people can be factually correct well communicating in different ways. If I do not understand it is because of my missinteritations not because others are deceiving me. Even when they do I can remember how they did it with Te. I like to update my database constantly. But Ni is more about a smooth transition between what has happened and what will happen. Se helps Ni be fluid. Se is constant fluid observation of reality which creates a fluid memory in Ni. Si memory is more yes or no with few transitions. Ne helps Si remember that yes this event is like another event just distorted.

Hope this helps.

Wechsler put me at 113 with IQ.
It is a real IQ test, was your score of 150 from a real IQ test?
IQ is a measure of your ability to be good or bad at everything.
Being good at one thing predicts you will do good at other things.
This is why it is called general intelligence becaue of the average of all your skills combined.

 

[Tannhauser]

Probably because the only use of an IQ score is to subtly slip it into conversations to make yourself sound "intelligent" – this happens to be the speciality of many INTJs and INTPs.

 

[Bogart]

Probably because the only use of an IQ score is to subtly slip it into conversations to make yourself sound "intelligent" – this happens to be the speciality of many INTJs and INTPs.

Admittedly, I do this even tho I know IQ test prove very little if anything at all.

 

[Yellow]

Probably because the only use of an IQ score is to subtly slip it into conversations to make yourself sound "intelligent" – this happens to be the speciality of many INTJs and INTPs.

Exactly. That's how my parents always used their IQ scores.

I'm ridiculously good at taking tests. Like, if taking tests was a sport, I'd try for the Olympics. I don't think it's an accurate measure of cognitive ability, though, or even intellectual potential. It's more a measure of a specific combination of intuition, general knowledge, and pattern recognition.

I've told very few people in real life what my IQ was, and I always regretted it. It's a source of embarrassment to even admit I've been formally tested, to be honest. Who does that? What kind of jackass pays to be given a nearly arbitrary judgement? (Well, me, I guess. My parents paid, and I wanted to impress them.)

 

[nanook]

mbti defines N as intelligence, so everyone* who is intelligent will absolutely insist on being N, even though it's not true. faking N results in a test is easy for a smart person, even if they don't know mbti, they can surely sniff out that the N answers smells like superpower. as a result, the "NT scene" hosts all half way smart people of the internet, including feelers like myself. perhaps i just project my own need for belonging on everyone else, but belonging defines everyone's life objectively, so how could anyone have less of a need for it? only by means of ignorance about the objective value of it. that would be rare among smart people.

similarly thinking and introversion have always been culturally associated with intelligence, intellectuality, that's obvious anyhow. only N is a new discovery of mbti.

*of course some sensors are smart enough to admit to themselves that they are sensors, because they value the mental health aspect of being straight about it. but i believe this usually comes later, after they have been knowing typology for a while. and when they learn, that they don't like intuitives.

 

[Bogart]

mbti defines N as intelligence, so everyone* who is intelligent will absolutely insist on being N, even though it's not true. faking N results in a test is easy for a smart person, even if they don't know mbti, they can surely sniff out that the N answers smells like superpower. as a result, the "NT scene" hosts all half way smart people of the internet, including feelers like myself. perhaps i just project my own need for belonging on everyone else, but belonging defines everyone's life objectively, so how could anyone have less of a need for it? only by means of ignorance about the objective value of it. that would be rare among smart people.

similarly thinking and introversion have always been culturally associated with intelligence, intellectuality, that's obvious anyhow. only N is a new discovery of mbti.

*of course some sensors are smart enough to admit to themselves that they are sensors, because they value the mental health aspect of being straight about it. but i believe this usually comes later, after they have been knowing typology for a while. and when they learn, that they don't like intuitives.

How you you define sensor?

 

[Black Rose]

I noticed that sometimes Nanook seemingly writes stuff like he is talking about me but in a neutral way that is him just laying it out like Ken Wilber would talk about tiers and such. I like how you can get this feeling like you know that someone is secretly communicating with you.

Yellow is a therapist so I think she knows why they give the test which you do not pay for. I am just naive but I think Yellow does not want people to judge others because of something they supposedly lack.

Sorry to call you guys out.

Now it is time for some funny yet poignant memes.

 

[Tannhauser]

The standing joke about Mensa people is that if you didn’t know they were so all-get-out brilliant you would never guess. Many of them have trouble remembering to put the curtain inside the tub before turning on the shower.

Hilarious piece by Hitchens: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/1996/09/hitchens-199609

 

[Irukanji]

My point wasn't that exact question. Its the principle. There is a moral dilemma and you have to choose how to fix it. That is my point. I'm not trying to say INTPs are stupid when it comes to empathy or anything like that. My point is that sometimes its harder to understand a social dynamic and/or moral dilemma that other types may be better at. Take an INFJ for example. They probably have gifts that INTPs don't have that cannot transfer to an IQ test and vise versa.

Ah I'm in a bit of a manic compulsive state and I'm not really paying as much attention as normal. To be honest, it's a refreshing change but I can see the danger.

I think when it comes to IQ tests, the issue is people with dyslexia may score well below their "true" intelligence level, people with Autism may score very high in pattern-based tests, and the general public may score mediocrely in both number and pattern based tests despite having an excellent grasp in otherwise difficult professions.

The easiest way around it would be to identify those who excel in a certain area and only test them with non-relevant tests, ie. patterns for those who are good at numbers(and vice-versa), working memory for those who excel at non-moving data sets(ie. cup and ball, minus the sleigh of hand).

This won't necessarily skew the results, but it would provide a less-trivial test instead of just giving them an easy way to score big numbers. A mixture of all types would be ideal, but it would be an excessively long test.

In my opinion, IQ tests are more of a guide to show people what they are/aren't good at, and where they can improve to have a more balanced brain. It can bee taught, and patterns can be rewired if it is beneficial to the host.

A male human brain should score well on a spatial-derived test, and a female brain on an emotional and list based test, due to genetics. A man was required to hunt, perhaps along way from their village and knowing the terrain could make it easier to travel out and easier to corner animals. Females were more required to know what their offspring and returning males needed, and memorise how to prepare various things needed in camp. It's hard to explain in words without seeming sexist, but it's how it is.

Obviously we are far removed from being hunter-gatherers and needing to actually know stuff with the invention of the internet and GPS, so really gender biases are slight(plus classes are no longer segregated in younger years, even if they appear so in later years due to likes/dislikes).

How is this relevant to the topic? Who knows.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Why do certain personality types, especially INTP (and INTJ) tend to score higher on IQ
tests? Is it
A.) INTP functions make the person more rational and thus more "intelligent"
B.) People who are more "intelligent" are more likely to develop INTP/J cognitive preferences
C.) The tests only test for things INTPs are good at, so others arent stupider they are just more developed in functions other than rationalizing, like emotional intelligence.

Personally, I am inclined to think the tests are biased, and this is coming from a supposedly "intelligent" person who scored 150. Thoughts?

It is very simple. Its statistical thing. There are lots and lots of people who arent INTP or INTJ and have sky high IQs. My brother is ISTP. IQ 160 I think or something like that. Anyway I am INTP and I have IQ 98. So what does it mean?
It just means that IQ test looks for logic and math skills in people. They have a talent in that way and thats all there is to it. It seems that logical thinking simply correlates with INTP/J most. Nevertheless there are plenty of high IQ INFJs, ISFJs, ENTPs etc. Its just that analytical type of thinking is most associated with INTP/J types. I think its easy to see that N types are most associated with qualities of intelligent people and analytical type of thinking.
Sensors however can be smart its just that its also very easy to mistaken a sensor for intuitive when they talk about topics they are good in. So I take it as normal to have mistaken a lot of sensors for intuitives as well.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Probably because the only use of an IQ score is to subtly slip it into conversations to make yourself sound "intelligent" – this happens to be the speciality of many INTJs and INTPs.

So you're saying that IQ tests measure ones ability to slip IQ into conversations?

 

[Sinny91]

IQ is just another box to be put into.
Keep telling the fishes they are supposed to climb the trees!

I think that NTS are better prepared for IQ tests, especially our state school ones. I aced all mine back in the day ... I remember them..

In adult life I have developed a dislike towards the mathematical patterns they use to make us decode. They were good for exercising the brain... but other parts of my education were completely neglected.

Now I focus on what is relevant to me, and as I have no burning desire to rival the mathematical greats that have graced our world..

I'll focus on education that has bearing to my journey.

Baffles me why there is so much talk on the subject..

There are more to INTPs than IQ scores, math, programming and gaming.. or at least I hope there is haha.

A few of my favorite 'INTPs' on this board have since 'discovered' that they are not INTPs! Lol

 

[ENTP lurker]

I'm pretty sure there are high IQ ESFPs.

IQ is not measure of highly esoteric interests...

Hitchens was a yucky guy. Many socionicsts thinks that he was ISFP/ISFj. At least Fe was not on his priority list.

 

[ummidk]

So you're saying that IQ tests measure ones ability to slip IQ into conversations?

They measure one's likelyhood to do so.

 

[Brontosaurie]

They measure one's likelyhood to do so.

Yes. Among other things such as intelligence. IQ predicts many things fairly well.

 

[ENTP lurker]

I have been reading someone's blog. Her IQ is insanely high. I'm still not convinced of her capabilities. There are ton of speculation with conflicting information. She claims to be INTJ.

On the other hand she claims to that she was a national level top athlete. Had musical career as a vocalist. Did a lot of factory work. Had a lot of parties. This is not fitting in within INTJ. ISTP and maybe ENTJ are far more probable.