Hallucinations VS Reality

[Oprale]

Here is one of my random thoughts...

Everything an individual person see/hear/touch etc... Is true. Because, when alone, the only thing that define the reality of a person is what that person's brain perceive.

Wich could mean that hallucinations can only exists when individuals are gathered in groups. Ideally, all the realities need to blend well to maintain harmony, wich means the aberrant ones are named and considered like a threat. People try to treat the aberrant reality in an attempt to make it conform to the majority's reality.

So yeah, alone = everything is real
In a group = hallucinations might occur

What do you think of it ?

( Sorry for not participating a lot to the forum's life... I just don't have a lot of great ideas to share here ;p But I enjoy reading your threads, you have really interesting thoughts )

 

[QuickTwist]

I approve of this thread. Besides that, what you do by yourself largely go undetected to the public. When in public, anything goes, but somethings are hindered by the group.

 

[nanook]

Now turn around and look at the man who's shadow is cast over your desktop.

Is he still there or did he suddenly disappear?

If he disappeared, he must have been a hallucination.

Do you feel alone?

 

[StevenM]

I approve of this thread.

Congratulations. This thread has been officially QuickTwist certified.

Here is one of my random thoughts...

Everything an individual person see/hear/touch etc... Is true. Because, when alone, the only thing that define the reality of a person is what that person's brain perceive.

Wich could mean that hallucinations can only exists when individuals are gathered in groups. Ideally, all the realities need to blend well to maintain harmony, wich means the aberrant ones are named and considered like a threat. People try to treat the aberrant reality in an attempt to make it conform to the majority's reality.

So yeah, alone = everything is real
In a group = hallucinations might occur

What do you think of it ?

( Sorry for not participating a lot to the forum's life... I just don't have a lot of great ideas to share here ;p But I enjoy reading your threads, you have really interesting thoughts )

Just playing along with your idea here:

Wouldn't it be better to say that-

Alone = You are hallucinating, but it is not apparent, because there is no-one else to collaborate it.

In a group = You are hallucinating, but now it can be apparent, as you have other people to agree/argue against it.

 

[Pizzabeak]

Define 'true'

"hallucinations can only exists when individuals are gathered in groups"

Ingest amounts of mind manifesting substances and tell us if those 'hallucinations' are existing or not

Nothing too new. The main gist seems to be in groups many more things can occur than usual, and some of them may clash. Everyone has their own unstable "reality" (new term needed?), which is sort of just ego. It was originally thought there must be one singular reality, but now there's a shitload of aspects to take into consideration. Are these exciting times indeed?

I just wish they'd realize it's not all about fuzzy.

 

[Oprale]

I approve of this thread.

Time to party, lol xD

Nanook -> That's not exactly what I meant. Taking your example, my idea was more like :

1. You see an human-shaped shadow casted over your desktop
2. You turn around and there's no one, plus the shadow is gone
Conclusion : The shadow was real to you because you saw it, but seeing it did not mean there was a man beside you. It only means that there was a shadow over your desktop.

Maybe this would be a better description of an hallucination : When one is the only one to perceive events that are not following any logic pattern. Do you still disagree ?

Wouldn't it be better to say that-

Alone = You are hallucinating, but it is not apparent, because there is no-one else to collaborate it.

In a group = You are hallucinating, but now it can be apparent, as you have other people to agree/argue against it.

That's a possibility, indeed I just wanted to show a maybe new perspective on the subject, although it not being usefull. Your definition ( well, almost everyone's definition ) is the best to understand and try to solve hallucinations problems.

Define 'true'

In that case, part of the individual's reality.

Ingest amounts of mind manifesting substances and tell us if those 'hallucinations' are existing or not

lol. No seriously, the answer is the same as I said to Nanook above : )

Everyone has their own unstable "reality" (new term needed?), which is sort of just ego. It was originally thought there must be one singular reality, but now there's a shitload of aspects to take into consideration. Are these exciting times indeed?

Oh yes.

 

[ginoskein]

Here is one of my random thoughts...

Everything an individual person see/hear/touch etc... Is true. Because, when alone, the only thing that define the reality of a person is what that person's brain perceive.

Wich could mean that hallucinations can only exists when individuals are gathered in groups. Ideally, all the realities need to blend well to maintain harmony, wich means the aberrant ones are named and considered like a threat. People try to treat the aberrant reality in an attempt to make it conform to the majority's reality.

So yeah, alone = everything is real
In a group = hallucinations might occur

What do you think of it ?

( Sorry for not participating a lot to the forum's life... I just don't have a lot of great ideas to share here ;p But I enjoy reading your threads, you have really interesting thoughts )

I think that groups are more prone to experience hallucinations than individuals. I'm not exactly sure why, though. It just seems to me that a single mind which has achieved a strong independent perception is less inclined to hallucinate. Also, hallucination itself could be considered in a broader sense (i.e., the things that count as hallucinations seem to me to be more varied than is generally thought).

I think it's necessary to try to define exactly what counts as an individual as well... hmmm...