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Evolution as a mechanism which tries to maintain equilibrium in a population

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I was thinking about the nature of evolution and was wondering if one could make the following conclusion:

Evolution works in such a way so as to maintain equilibrium in the ecosystem. So individuals who are far off the ordinary in any conceivable sense are subject to forces which try to destroy them or at least prevent them from reproducing. The forces are emergent from the natural selective pressures present in a particular environment.

This is a thought that occurred to me quite suddenly. I'm fairly confident it's true although I can't back it up with analysis and logic.

Thoughts anyone?
 

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Well yeah. Whatever 'works' in the continuation of life, that is what will continue on. Whatever doesn't achieve results gets killed, and forgotten.

About biodiversity (I think that's something your talking about here), I find it interesting that variety in ... well we'll say for now, species.... increases when resources are low (for everyone). When times are tough, there seems to be a reliance of a diverse environment.

However, (let's say for example) nutrient rich areas, you will see a monopoly form (of some kind).

It's okay to be off from ordinary, just as long as the tactics "work" in achieving long-term success.
 

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Evolution's purpose is to within the current environment conditions and pass the genes on... So I don't understand why evolution isn't teleological. If you're stating that evolution can't be seen from a creationist point of view, then I agree, but evolution's purpose isn't some god given magic, instead its purpose is to make the organism survive, thus teleological (evolution being the function to survive). So I'm confused.
 

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Evolution doesn't have purpose. It just happens. There is no agency in evolution.

Evolution doesn't make organisms survive. Organisms that survive make organisms that survive.
 

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I think you're close, but still a bit off.

The term "survival of the fittest" is a sensational misnomer. It should really be "survival of the most stable population". New species generally emerge in response to change. The populations that can achieve stability survive (because stability = success), and those who cannot stabilize die out.

On a larger scale, when looking at the ecology of a region, stability is a dynamic equilibrium. The slow, seemingly purposeful changes often happen during long term state of ecological stability. This is when you see each generation of gazelles and cheetahs getting just a little bit faster.

A disrupted system, however, often favors the outliers. If they can survive when the "normal" population cannot, and survive to form a stable population, then you may witness the emergence of a new species.
 

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I was thinking about the nature of evolution and was wondering if one could make the following conclusion:

Evolution works in such a way so as to maintain equilibrium in the ecosystem. So individuals who are far off the ordinary in any conceivable sense are subject to forces which try to destroy them or at least prevent them from reproducing. The forces are emergent from the natural selective pressures present in a particular environment.

This is a thought that occurred to me quite suddenly. I'm fairly confident it's true although I can't back it up with analysis and logic.

Thoughts anyone?
I'm surprised that you wrote this post, because to me, it seemed like a trivial consequence of the process of evolution combined with the Second Law of Equilibrium. I'm shocked that anyone here even might have suggested that you were wrong. So I guess that since you're in the minority who are correct, you deserve some sort of accolade or praise for actually deducing correct consequences of scientific theories.

Having said that, the Second Law of Equilibrium states that systems tend towards a state of equilibrium. This tendency is described as entropy, which is quantified as a measureable quality of the system itself, and of all the bodies in the system. As such, this entropy causes systems to gravitate more towards a state of equilibrium than away from it. Such a property fulfils the properties of an evolutionary pressure. Evolutionary pressures are the driving forces behind the direction that evolution takes. So as the system evolves, i.e. as changes happen, entropy drives the system to give greater advantage to the changes that favour equlibrium, which means that over time, with many, many changes, the total of those miniscule changes adds up to a general driving towards an equilibrium state.

So in short, yes, what you said was correct.
 

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If you are really interested in Evolutionary Theory the following are some books that I really enjoyed: (If anyone has any comments on these books feel free)
*Darwin's Black Box - Michael Behe (The problem of irreducible complexity) Read it before you judge it.
*The Origin of Order - Stuart Kauffman (Read this after Behe because it actually resolves some of the riddles that Behe initiates)
*At Home in the Universe - Stuart Kauffman (Just another great work by Kauffman)
*The Arrow of Time - Ilya Prigogine (Revolutionary work)
*Richard Dawkins has written tons of books which I really enjoyed but most of the details are derivative. His concept of Memes is useful tool though.

I would explain these books bu that would not only be pedantic but unjust. All I can tell you is they are fascinating and could potentially satisfy part of your need to understand.

In the same vein I would recommend Nietzsche and Schopenhauer.
 
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Update:

I think I figured it out. This is what I wrote in an email to a professor.

"When a population evolves, it does so by trying to increase the overall fitness of the population. However, the fitness landscape isn't static because the whole population is part of the environment which changes the fitness landscape. A population would want to maximize its fitness and it does so by going towards the fitness and have the fitness come towards it, so to speak by means of a feedback loop between the environment and the population. This implies that over time, there is stability in a population whereby mutations which occur are mostly those which are not orientated towards maximizing fitness.

So this means that individuals who are off the mean of the population which makes it hard for them to adapt to the mean are pretty much doomed to perish. I also realized that globalization is a bad thing because this means that eventually the whole population is going to be uniform and there won't be any variation or improvement overall, in the species. "
 
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I'm surprised that you wrote this post, because to me, it seemed like a trivial consequence of the process of evolution combined with the Second Law of Equilibrium. I'm shocked that anyone here even might have suggested that you were wrong. So I guess that since you're in the minority who are correct, you deserve some sort of accolade or praise for actually deducing correct consequences of scientific theories.

Having said that, the Second Law of Equilibrium states that systems tend towards a state of equilibrium. This tendency is described as entropy, which is quantified as a measureable quality of the system itself, and of all the bodies in the system. As such, this entropy causes systems to gravitate more towards a state of equilibrium than away from it. Such a property fulfils the properties of an evolutionary pressure. Evolutionary pressures are the driving forces behind the direction that evolution takes. So as the system evolves, i.e. as changes happen, entropy drives the system to give greater advantage to the changes that favour equlibrium, which means that over time, with many, many changes, the total of those miniscule changes adds up to a general driving towards an equilibrium state.

So in short, yes, what you said was correct.

This is a late reply but here it goes anyway..

What you wrote certainly makes sense but I think so does my explanation in terms of feedback loops. So this to me is an indication that there's some connection between entropy or the tendency for things to move towards equilibrium and feedback loops.

Frankly, I don't understand what entropy is. They sort of tried to explain it in our thermodynamics course last term but it wasn't a satisfactory explanation from my point of view. I couldn't and still don't see how it can arise out of first principles unless one considers it itself to be a first principle.

From other places, they seem to describe entropy as the amount of information a system possesses and that makes sense because information is inversely proportional to order and thus entropy is disorder which is good.

Now my mind tries to link this fact back to deltaS = integral (delQ/T) and all I can see is a large gaping hole.

This is probably due to the fact that I have no idea what heat actually is or temperature for that matter.

Hmm...I asked a Professor once and he told me that temperature is the measure of kinetic energy all the particles in the system possesses while heat is the measure of both potential energy and kinetic energy the particles in the system possess.

But this is only referring to the exchange of entropy but there's still the entropy generated component due to irreversible processes.

Maybe someone can help me tie it all together or at least show me the general direction in which I should proceed to make sense of entropy?

Perhaps someone like Architect whom I recall has a phd in Physics?

Much appreciated.

(This post probably could be classified under a different thread but I don't want to waste another thread just for this)
 
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