Waterstiller
... runs deep
Cog made me wonder if it's a common thing amongst INTP's (and INFP's) to not like to be touched. I think I'd also lump 'personal space' in this.
I hate starting threads because I feel like I set the tone for the replies and if I should get anything meaningful out of them I might need to divulge more information than I really want to. That said..
I used to feel really weird when people would come up to me for a hug. We never touched each other in my family. My INFP mom was physically abused as a kid and she consequently had a problem with touching and being touched. She interacted and showed her love in other ways, but touching was this really weird thing that none of us really 'got'.
When I was in 8th grade we started going to this church and the pastor would stand outside of the door and hug everyone when we walked in. It was the most awkward thing. My mom and I would use the back door if it was ever unlocked, but when it wasn't we would accept the hug. Stiffly. And for me I just sorta 'checked out'. It was something that I had to endure and didn't understand. I felt kind of violated, but I also felt an obligation because it seemed really disrespectful to not give the pastor a hug. I also had a problem with 'standardized hugging and smiling' every sunday with every person - it meant nothing to me and distanced more than brought me closer to my humanity.
I also met my first friend at that church, and his family was really weird. They didn't scream at each other, and when they touched it wasn't violent. It was nice and safe. Over a period of years my 'other mom' taught me how to hug. They also were constantly talking about God and it was because of them I fell deeply into christianity - I really liked them and wanted to be like them. While I say I was 'taught' the hugging and adopted the religion.. I never really felt it. I never felt the intimacy a hug should bring, I just kind of learned the actions and was okay with them.
When I had my first serious girlfriend, I learned how to touch another person and I loved it. While I never really got much in return (she was a bit selfish) I really enjoyed how I made her feel. Hugging.. massages.. leaning on her shoulder.. being spooned. Ahh! It was great. But it was only between us, and I still wasn't able to touch people who I wasn't in a romantic relationship with. In my mind touching was this thing that only couples did - and if I were to touch another person with empathy, compassion, and appreciation they would be as freaked out as I would be. It would cross a line and be considered flirting or I'd be like those people who touch others because they're needy.
Sometime last year an INTP friend and I were driving back from LA and having lots of deep conversation. I divulged some details about my childhood and she put her hand on my shoulder and began to rub it. It felt really, really, weird. I was disarmed and confused. I felt like I didn't deserve this sort of empathy, but I knew that she was genuine. She's one of the sweetest people I've ever met and one of the few I *really* related to (many same experiences). After a couple seconds I accepted it and couldn't help but crying a little. I had gone from casually telling a story from a detached perspective to feeling a little for myself. Because she had felt for me and wanted to convey that in a language that speaks soooooo much louder than words. It's a beautiful raw communication when you're using touch as heartfelt communication; otherwise it's as empty and alienating as a verbal lie.
And suddenly I had this new tool to socialize with and I began using it in moments when speech wasn't enough. I could use it on anyone at any time. Another time I was over at her house and she snuck up behind me and gave me a shoulder massage. I would have declined otherwise (even though I LOVE massages) but I definitely couldn't tell her to stop. And so now I do the same for people I'm somewhat close to and it's alright. I get more massages now as well.
I think at the heart of it, I'd describe touch as something you need permission to accept and give. I wonder if it's the same for you guys though. I want to spread the permission like a virus but I think it might only be transmitted through touch..
I hate starting threads because I feel like I set the tone for the replies and if I should get anything meaningful out of them I might need to divulge more information than I really want to. That said..
I used to feel really weird when people would come up to me for a hug. We never touched each other in my family. My INFP mom was physically abused as a kid and she consequently had a problem with touching and being touched. She interacted and showed her love in other ways, but touching was this really weird thing that none of us really 'got'.
When I was in 8th grade we started going to this church and the pastor would stand outside of the door and hug everyone when we walked in. It was the most awkward thing. My mom and I would use the back door if it was ever unlocked, but when it wasn't we would accept the hug. Stiffly. And for me I just sorta 'checked out'. It was something that I had to endure and didn't understand. I felt kind of violated, but I also felt an obligation because it seemed really disrespectful to not give the pastor a hug. I also had a problem with 'standardized hugging and smiling' every sunday with every person - it meant nothing to me and distanced more than brought me closer to my humanity.
I also met my first friend at that church, and his family was really weird. They didn't scream at each other, and when they touched it wasn't violent. It was nice and safe. Over a period of years my 'other mom' taught me how to hug. They also were constantly talking about God and it was because of them I fell deeply into christianity - I really liked them and wanted to be like them. While I say I was 'taught' the hugging and adopted the religion.. I never really felt it. I never felt the intimacy a hug should bring, I just kind of learned the actions and was okay with them.
When I had my first serious girlfriend, I learned how to touch another person and I loved it. While I never really got much in return (she was a bit selfish) I really enjoyed how I made her feel. Hugging.. massages.. leaning on her shoulder.. being spooned. Ahh! It was great. But it was only between us, and I still wasn't able to touch people who I wasn't in a romantic relationship with. In my mind touching was this thing that only couples did - and if I were to touch another person with empathy, compassion, and appreciation they would be as freaked out as I would be. It would cross a line and be considered flirting or I'd be like those people who touch others because they're needy.
Sometime last year an INTP friend and I were driving back from LA and having lots of deep conversation. I divulged some details about my childhood and she put her hand on my shoulder and began to rub it. It felt really, really, weird. I was disarmed and confused. I felt like I didn't deserve this sort of empathy, but I knew that she was genuine. She's one of the sweetest people I've ever met and one of the few I *really* related to (many same experiences). After a couple seconds I accepted it and couldn't help but crying a little. I had gone from casually telling a story from a detached perspective to feeling a little for myself. Because she had felt for me and wanted to convey that in a language that speaks soooooo much louder than words. It's a beautiful raw communication when you're using touch as heartfelt communication; otherwise it's as empty and alienating as a verbal lie.
And suddenly I had this new tool to socialize with and I began using it in moments when speech wasn't enough. I could use it on anyone at any time. Another time I was over at her house and she snuck up behind me and gave me a shoulder massage. I would have declined otherwise (even though I LOVE massages) but I definitely couldn't tell her to stop. And so now I do the same for people I'm somewhat close to and it's alright. I get more massages now as well.

I think at the heart of it, I'd describe touch as something you need permission to accept and give. I wonder if it's the same for you guys though. I want to spread the permission like a virus but I think it might only be transmitted through touch..