Shadowtree
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I keep reading the differences between the two.
I'm realllllllllllllllllllllly confused. It feels like my head's going to explode.
I know my mom is an INTJ and I am EXACTLY like her except I am more creative. After taking the test and getting INTP (I get INTP 2/3 times... INTJ on the third) I thought a lot of things made sense. It sounds waaaaaaaaaaay too much like me to not hold some water. I over analyze things, am very whimsical in my interests, procrastination is my favorited thing in the world, I tend to see the logical arguments for both sides, daydream or get lost in thought all the time, and it takes a significant amount of willpower to get off my couch and do something that requires physical effort.
However it is worth notice that my mom does all of these things as well. She just doesn't throw the fork in the trash and put the dirty dish in the pantry like I do. She also doesn't take someone else's argument to heart as much as I do... You know, trying to deduce if they might be right.
Yet again I will point out the fact that she does do those things too... however not as often as I have always done them.
Its hard to deny the title of "absent-minded professor" when that's the exact phrase shes always used to describe me.
However I read the INTJ profile as well. The idea that they look at life like a game of chess is true for her and for me. It seems that being TJ gives you more of an ability to make a quick judgement. I might be indecisive favoring flexibility, but in an argument I can take a direct side and believe- without a doubt- mine is the right one despite the fact I can see where the other is coming from. Though I am naturally inquisitive towards both sides, I do play favorites using my own ethical values. The concept of not only identifying someones point of view logically but sympathizing with them seems to be an INTP skill but is one I remember having to develop.
Frankly I think that although I might have always had INTP qualities I might actually be an INTJ. I do fall back to my moral values (Yes, "christian values" typically. Resist the urge to throw things, please.) which are instilled by family. My mother is a mastermind- and since we think a lot alike if there's any one person in the world who could manipulate me it would be her. Of course, she freely admits that this her goal but it is because she is keeping my best interests at heart.
Since she has considerably proven to have my back in dealing with outside threats and keep true to her saying "Blood is thicker than water" I have no reason to think otherwise.
One could say that her "manipulation" is actually something I find endearing rather than threatening as I would with an outsider.
Perhaps I am INTP with INTJ tenancies (as stated in my intro thread)- meaning I am merely emulating my mother. In other words (and please pardon my french) I might be an INTP with conservative INTJ stick up my ass. The concept of taking it out is daunting because then I would have to completely throw out all the morals and values I was given, and honestly everyone needs some solid footing to observe with. So removing the stick is not an option because I'd likely start wacking people over the head with it.
Although I do know my "Pness" is something she encouraged. I recall naturally making judgement a lot quicker than I do now. She always reminded me how proud she was that (although I am as stubborn as her- a compliment she disguises as an insult) I always come up with my own unique opinion. Perhaps I developed my Pness at her bidding.
The second makes a lot of sense to me. I mean she takes a lot of pride in her N- and identified it as the best trait I could have ever gotten because it makes me braver than my brothers and my father in that I do not succumb to peer pressure like they do - isn't natural I would hone in on developing that trait? Plus it explains why I am actually quite close minded- it took her pointing out I was being close minded and now i'm open-minded about a lot more ideas. It was something I developed (at her bidding), probably not something I would have developed on my own accord even if I can see some logical skill on the other end of the court. Therefore I could be an INTJ with INT"pness" stage going on... I am a young college student with a bunch of difficult, potentially, life altering decisions in front of her. It would make sense for any type to actually indecisively, right? Perhaps this looming over me has been affecting my personality test scores. Ever since I had to actually "THINK" about college I have been significantly less sure of making a decision about anything. Which I don't recall being an issue at all halfway through high-school. The INTJ also seems to believe that there is a solution to almost everything and so do I - I just know there are subjects where the answer is too difficult for me to see.
As for my dad and closest brother I'm pretty sure they are both ISTJs. Soooooo yeahhhhhh. We play nice and I love them (we are VERY close too) and all- but when an argument comes up I would blame the "S" verses the "N" function for the "civil disagreement". Such matters in my house are ironically resolved much more peacefully than when I do get in a fight with my mother- despite the fact I have always had shockingly similar mannerisms to her.
What do you guys think- because unless its possible for me to be borderline between the two- no one profile quite "fits" me.
EDIT: ALSO it would make sense why (despite her natural pride for N which she constantly expresses) she might be in favor of her ability to think. She had(has) bad relations with her mother (my granny *eyeroll*) an ESFJ who used the common ESFJ gift of guilt manipulation on her. Naturally her hatred of all things over-emotional consumes her. In fact, she rants about it even more so than she rants about her pride for being intuitive. Maybe shes so focused on denying her "F" that she has come to value her "T" over her "N". Since I've never had to do that like she did - it might explain the slight difference.
I'm realllllllllllllllllllllly confused. It feels like my head's going to explode.
I know my mom is an INTJ and I am EXACTLY like her except I am more creative. After taking the test and getting INTP (I get INTP 2/3 times... INTJ on the third) I thought a lot of things made sense. It sounds waaaaaaaaaaay too much like me to not hold some water. I over analyze things, am very whimsical in my interests, procrastination is my favorited thing in the world, I tend to see the logical arguments for both sides, daydream or get lost in thought all the time, and it takes a significant amount of willpower to get off my couch and do something that requires physical effort.
However it is worth notice that my mom does all of these things as well. She just doesn't throw the fork in the trash and put the dirty dish in the pantry like I do. She also doesn't take someone else's argument to heart as much as I do... You know, trying to deduce if they might be right.
Yet again I will point out the fact that she does do those things too... however not as often as I have always done them.
Its hard to deny the title of "absent-minded professor" when that's the exact phrase shes always used to describe me.
However I read the INTJ profile as well. The idea that they look at life like a game of chess is true for her and for me. It seems that being TJ gives you more of an ability to make a quick judgement. I might be indecisive favoring flexibility, but in an argument I can take a direct side and believe- without a doubt- mine is the right one despite the fact I can see where the other is coming from. Though I am naturally inquisitive towards both sides, I do play favorites using my own ethical values. The concept of not only identifying someones point of view logically but sympathizing with them seems to be an INTP skill but is one I remember having to develop.
Frankly I think that although I might have always had INTP qualities I might actually be an INTJ. I do fall back to my moral values (Yes, "christian values" typically. Resist the urge to throw things, please.) which are instilled by family. My mother is a mastermind- and since we think a lot alike if there's any one person in the world who could manipulate me it would be her. Of course, she freely admits that this her goal but it is because she is keeping my best interests at heart.
Since she has considerably proven to have my back in dealing with outside threats and keep true to her saying "Blood is thicker than water" I have no reason to think otherwise.
One could say that her "manipulation" is actually something I find endearing rather than threatening as I would with an outsider.
Perhaps I am INTP with INTJ tenancies (as stated in my intro thread)- meaning I am merely emulating my mother. In other words (and please pardon my french) I might be an INTP with conservative INTJ stick up my ass. The concept of taking it out is daunting because then I would have to completely throw out all the morals and values I was given, and honestly everyone needs some solid footing to observe with. So removing the stick is not an option because I'd likely start wacking people over the head with it.
Although I do know my "Pness" is something she encouraged. I recall naturally making judgement a lot quicker than I do now. She always reminded me how proud she was that (although I am as stubborn as her- a compliment she disguises as an insult) I always come up with my own unique opinion. Perhaps I developed my Pness at her bidding.
The second makes a lot of sense to me. I mean she takes a lot of pride in her N- and identified it as the best trait I could have ever gotten because it makes me braver than my brothers and my father in that I do not succumb to peer pressure like they do - isn't natural I would hone in on developing that trait? Plus it explains why I am actually quite close minded- it took her pointing out I was being close minded and now i'm open-minded about a lot more ideas. It was something I developed (at her bidding), probably not something I would have developed on my own accord even if I can see some logical skill on the other end of the court. Therefore I could be an INTJ with INT"pness" stage going on... I am a young college student with a bunch of difficult, potentially, life altering decisions in front of her. It would make sense for any type to actually indecisively, right? Perhaps this looming over me has been affecting my personality test scores. Ever since I had to actually "THINK" about college I have been significantly less sure of making a decision about anything. Which I don't recall being an issue at all halfway through high-school. The INTJ also seems to believe that there is a solution to almost everything and so do I - I just know there are subjects where the answer is too difficult for me to see.
As for my dad and closest brother I'm pretty sure they are both ISTJs. Soooooo yeahhhhhh. We play nice and I love them (we are VERY close too) and all- but when an argument comes up I would blame the "S" verses the "N" function for the "civil disagreement". Such matters in my house are ironically resolved much more peacefully than when I do get in a fight with my mother- despite the fact I have always had shockingly similar mannerisms to her.
What do you guys think- because unless its possible for me to be borderline between the two- no one profile quite "fits" me.
EDIT: ALSO it would make sense why (despite her natural pride for N which she constantly expresses) she might be in favor of her ability to think. She had(has) bad relations with her mother (my granny *eyeroll*) an ESFJ who used the common ESFJ gift of guilt manipulation on her. Naturally her hatred of all things over-emotional consumes her. In fact, she rants about it even more so than she rants about her pride for being intuitive. Maybe shes so focused on denying her "F" that she has come to value her "T" over her "N". Since I've never had to do that like she did - it might explain the slight difference.
