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Bees?! (Colony Collapse Disorder)

Yellow

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My father has been a beekeeper for about 12 years now (he was when I was really little too, before this bee crisis) and so I've worked with him a bit on his hives and helped him with a lot of research. By the way, I'm on my phone here, so if you want a reference later, say something and I'll throw them in later.

There seem to be a number of factors that can lead to colony collapse, some direct practice, and some environmental. My dad lost a lot of hives the first few years since he started up again, but good practices have helped him retain nearly all of his hives for many years now.

One big thing, obviously is our ubiquitous use of pesticides. While their producers claim the chemiclas don't affect bees, bees kept pesticide-free don't die as often.

Another is global climate change. Bees hibernate in the winter. They pop back out in the spring. A long warm patch toward the end of winter followed by another significant cold-spell, is murder on a hive. They think it's spring, so they set to work, and then freeze to death. Equally dangerous are winters that last too long. Bees gotta poop like anything else, but they can hold it during hibernation. If the winter goes too long, they can't hold it any longer. They poop in their hives and poison themselves.

Another factor is one that most big commercial beekeepers will deny. Queening practices. A queen can run a hive for many years. The middle years seem to be the most stable and productive. However, that's not too good for expanding your business. A stable hive won't branch off with a new young queen more than once every several years. So keepers go in and kill the queen every two years. This causes the hive to panic and produce a bunch of queens at once. Often, two or three queens will split up the hive, so next year you have 2-3 hives instead of one. Brilliant, right? Unfornately, these new hives are totally dominated by younger bees who are, of course, less experienced. The hives never get a chance to really stabilize.

But denial of this issue means that hive collapse is then chalked down to "it's a fucking mystery! The bees are just dying for no reason". Once I convinced my father to completely ignore convention and let the queens be, his hive collapse issues reduced significantly.

Then there is Africanization ("killer bees"). An Africanized hive is more aggressive and less productive than a traditional one. Most beekeepers no longer consider such hives as "honey bees", and destroy them ASAP (before they spread). But the thing is, the change is more behavioral than genetic. Africanized bees take over a colony, kill most, and convert the rest. I've come to think of it as a bee revolution.

You can still work with these bees, but you have to be more respectful. For example, with traditional, peaceful honey bees, experienced hands don't need to bother smoking them to sleep or even going full out with the suit (as long as you're not dumb enough to wear dark clothes). You just pop open the top, pull out a shelf (not the queen's!) do what you have to do, and pop it back in. The bees get a little annoyed, but you're not gonna get stung. Try that with Africanized bees, and they'll kill you. You have to smoke them. You have the be careful and cautious. You have to use proper gear. Most inconveniently, there are much stricter rules governing their seasonal transport.

I don't know if peaceful, essential honey bees will survive this era, but I don't believe their disappearance will be a mystery. Some beekeepers have learned to respect their bees, but the bigger commercial ones seem content to throw their hands up and lay all the blame on pesticides and weather.
 

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not the bees!!!!!!1

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Also, good essay on bees, Yellow. That was cool and interesting. I now know more about bees.
 

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Another factor is one that most big commercial beekeepers will deny. Queening practices. A queen can run a hive for many years. The middle years seem to be the most stable and productive. However, that's not too good for expanding your business. A stable hive won't branch off with a new young queen more than once every several years. So keepers go in and kill the queen every two years. This causes the hive to panic and produce a bunch of queens at once. Often, two or three queens will split up the hive, so next year you have 2-3 hives instead of one. Brilliant, right? Unfornately, these new hives are totally dominated by younger bees who are, of course, less experienced. The hives never get a chance to really stabilize.

Now that's just a horrible practice. People ought to learn how to balance sustainability and profits.
 

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I just realized that I forgot to mention pests that also collapse colonies.

Varroa destructors and other parasitic mites infest nearly every hive everywhere to some degree. If you or your bees can't reduce the number mite infections before winter, you'll probably lose your hive. Only, parasites are increasingly resilient to eradication attempts, and you can't exactly expect your bees to survive a round of pesticides.
 

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thank you for this, you are quite experienced and knowledgeable Yellow. My grandfather kept bees for quite some time, although i was just a kid at the time, i helped him from time to time. But i was thinking that beekeeping would be a good project for me to take on.
 

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Nicholas Cage is a tool.
 

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Yes varroa destructur, but also fungii and infections maybe some other reasons that compromise hives. It seems to be multitude of problems that could do it.

Here is interesting article about requeening. I dont really think its that bad of idea. Also I am a small time beekeeper at the moment we have just two hives had 3 and we had to get rid of the queen because she was laying eggs in weird random patter and she seemed to be laying less eggs than desirable. Got it replaced by another one and that lays eggs much better in stable patter that looks healthy. Getting rid of queens is sometimes necessary.
 

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One of my fondest memories from childhood was sitting next to my father's beehive and watching them go about their business.

One of my least fond memories from childhood is when for whatever reason, my dog decided jumping on the beehive was a good idea while I was next to it. We both got swarmed, but he could run a lot faster T-T

You just said a lot of stuff I didn't know about bees Yellow. Thanks.
 

Yellow

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Yes varroa destructur, but also fungii and infections maybe some other reasons that compromise hives. It seems to be multitude of problems that could do it.

Here is interesting article about requeening. I dont really think its that bad of idea. Also I am a small time beekeeper at the moment we have just two hives had 3 and we had to get rid of the queen because she was laying eggs in weird random patter and she seemed to be laying less eggs than desirable. Got it replaced by another one and that lays eggs much better in stable patter that looks healthy. Getting rid of queens is sometimes necessary.
Totally with you on replacing an incompetent queen. Especially if the hive was artificially brought together. (Like as opposed to a hive that swarmed out on its own).
 

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But denial of this issue means that hive collapse is then chalked down to "it's a fucking mystery! The bees are just dying for no reason".

It's not that big of a mystery to me. The corporate powers making the most use of them are fucking assholes. I read a book about colony collapse, what was known at the time a number of years ago. Lotsa trucks shipping bee hives all over the country to do jobs here, there, everywhere. Produce, produce, produce, don't care about stress, of course they will die. I'm sure the details of exactly why they die are better known now, but I don't really need many more puzzle pieces. Enough fit already.

What we need is more people willing to grow their own food. Unfortunately I'm not currently one, because it takes land, and I'm not currently willing to make societal compromises that would gain me some land. Didn't see any viable way to scale it down to a car either. A bus maybe, but that's a huge change in energy needed to operate, and you can't take it everywhere. So any great schemes lie fallow for now. When I've got some money, I may get some land and start building the thermal solar powered / wood gasified robots to do the farming.

Endgame of growing the food would be to expend little personal effort, then give most of it away, to undermine the corporate control that is exerted via food. The best system would be something replicable by others, that doesn't take excessive intelligence, training, or dedication to reproduce results.

I like carpenter bees. I want to build a sacrificial structure for them somewhere. I really don't care if they don't do anything else useful, they're just great bugs. I don't know if they are pollenators or not. Bet I can find some kind of use for them, just doing their thing.
 

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we had to get rid of the queen because she was laying eggs in weird random patter and she seemed to be laying less eggs than desirable.

You killed the smartest bee that had ever evolved, the veritable Lenin of the species. What a pity! Back to being a worker bee...
 

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This is all very interesting. I wonder if there is a good book on the subject - off to the kindle store now.
 
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