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Ambiverted ENTP/INTP?

AndyC

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I tested as an INTP every time I took the test. I have done a tonne of research into all the different attributes of the MBTI typology and the Jungian cognitive functions. Yet the ENTP suits me as well, more accurately than the INTP description. But I share so many characteristics from both sides and I can't say I'm either introverted nor extroverted. I understand they share the same functions and this could be the reason this integration of types has occurred. There are probably heaps of possible reasons for such a confusion, and one that likely is present in most of these situations is the lack of intrapersonal insight which I know this is ironic that I say this, but that certainly isn't me.

I could go into more detail, but I'm more interested in altering the already existing set of categories and possibly adding some more. Seeing as there are percentages for each letter, one could try to formulate deeper insight as to what certain combinations can create personality wise (obviously).

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There is no such thing as an ambivert. You're either an ENTP or an INTP, not both. Don't try to alter the existing categories until you fully understand them first.

Are your big problems in life related to inferior Fe or inferior Si? They are very different. Also, what do you habitually do? ie do you spend most of your time introverting or extraverting? Your values and how you feel don't matter. Try to look at the reality of who you are as an individual.

Quenk on inferior Si:
Extraverted Intuitive Types
E N T P a n d E N F P

BASIC TYPE DYNAMICS
Dominant Extraverted Intuition
Auxiliary Introverted Thinking or Feeling
Tertiary Feeling or Thinking
Inferior Introverted Sensing

by Naomi L. Quenk



Important Features of Dominant Extraverted Intuition


ENTPs and ENFPs have a passion for new ideas and especially enjoy the pursuit of possibilities in the world.They prefer what might be to what is, approach the outer world with trust and optimism, and see the environment as welcoming, safe, and exhilarating.They are bored by facts, details, and repetitive activities, especially those that are irrelevant to their current interests.However, an incoming fact may stimulate their intuition and lead to new theories or models.

Extraverted Intuitive types seem to have a natural trust in the environment as supportive of all things possible. They may therefore ignore sensory data that might portend danger or take risks that others might avoid. As a rule, new challenges are more appealing to them than what is known and verified.They have an uncanny instinct for spotting trends and future developments, often before others are even mildly aware of them. Some may, in fact, predict future programs or outcomes and be told they are really “out in left field.” Months, sometimes years, later they may see those ideas come into their own.

Their enthusiasm for a current project can be so compelling that they may be oblivious to time and energy limitations, often ignoring their own and others’ needs to take breaks from the activity for food and rest. At an extreme, they may become so physically run down that they are forced to stop their work or risk serious illness.

ENTPs and ENFPs tend to enjoy the company of like-minded Intuitive types and may be somewhat disdainful of their opposite types, finding them drab, predictable, and conventional.They may see Introverted Sensing types as overconcerned with health, safety, and comfort. Their noninferior mode of responding to mild or moderate crises can verge on the dramatic, sometimes accompanied by a wealth of either affect or critical intensity that may seem excessive to others.

Extraverted Intuitive Types at Work


Interacting with other people and having opportunities to use their creativity in a flexible, open, exciting environment form the basis of what energizes Extraverted Intuitive types in the workplace. Whereas their Introverted Intuitive colleagues (INTJs and INFJs) want the highest degree of freedom to use their creativity in working independently, ENTPs and ENFPs want that same freedom to use their creativity in interaction with or as applied to other people. An ENTP described what energized her as “new projects, researching a new subject, meeting new people, interactive events, and enthusiasm from others.”An ENFP said he was most energized by “interacting with people in training and creating new material for training.”Another cited “social contact,working out difficulties and challenges regarding human nature and relationships.”

Teamwork is very important to female ENTPs and ENFPs, and ENFP women often mention “helping others” as energizing. An ENFP woman said she is energized by “empowering and enlightening others—contributing to the growth, development, and self-awareness of others; making a positive difference or impact.” Another ENFP woman cited “exciting new projects, high-quality work with interesting people, interacting with my team, helping people develop, and getting others enthused.”

Excitement, enthusiasm, and a spirit of fun in the workplace are highly desirable for Extraverted Intuitive types.An ENTP said he is energized by “working on new projects, developing new courses and ways of doing things, finding time to relax or play while I am working.”An ENTP woman mentioned “creativity, working in a group setting, competent people, adventure, and nonstructured work.” Two other ENTP women listed between them the following energizers: “talking to people, connecting, new problems, brainstorming, freedom, autonomy, open space, people thinking, respect for ability, visioning, fun, big picture, new challenges, competence acknowledged, winging it, interaction, stimulating, debate with no set outcome.”

Important Features of Dominant Introverted Sensing


The qualities associated with Introverted Sensing that are relevant to our discussion of its form as an inferior function are
• Solitude and reflection
• Attention to facts and details
• Awareness of internal experience


The Everyday Introverted Sensing
of Extraverted Intuitive Types


The inferior function affects Extraverted Intuitive types in several different ways. These include everyday sensitivities, projections, and ways of relaxing, as well as the dramatic manifestations that can be seen when the inferior erupts and a full-blown episode occurs, or when an ENTP or ENFP is chronically in the grip because of long-term stress.

Typical Sensitivities and Projections


Extraverted Intuitive types report varying degrees of concern about whether others see them as having substance, stability, and depth.They can therefore overdo attention to facts or be somewhat defensive about their knowledge and use of facts and details.

One ENFP becomes so deeply involved in the details of a new project that she obsessively searches out supporting evidence in the form of ever more facts, which are often irrelevant to the goals of the project. An ENTP lawyer acknowledged that she often feels unprepared with data to support her legal arguments, so she makes sure she has at least a few facts she can bring forth at appropriate moments to convince others of her thoroughness. An ENFP teacher says she always overprepares for lectures, bringing enough material to fill twice the amount of time she actually has to present.

When a strongly held value or principle is involved, ENTPs and ENFPs will carefully collect important facts and details. However, people who disagree with their viewpoints may accuse them of overvaluing certain facts, which in turn may lead the ENTPs or ENFPs to doubt their own perceptions and judgments. As a general rule, it is relatively easy to shake people’s confidence in the area of their inferior function. When put in this position, Extraverted Intuitive types seek confirmation of their factual basis from others. For example, an ENFP whose company was planning a major move became increasingly concerned because critical financial facts were being ignored by management. When her expressed concerns were discounted, she began to doubt her perceptions, even though a few of her colleagues shared them. Only after the move actually resulted in a financial crisis did she (and others) accept the validity of her fact-based perceptions.

Less mature Extraverted Intuitive types may sometimes present themselves as “experts” about some factual area, eager to educate others about it.This can prove embarrassing if they try to impress a true authority in a particular field. An ENTP at a basic training session for volunteer firefighter complained that the level of information being presented was “too elementary for someone of my level of knowledge and experience. After all,” he explained, “I’ve already witnessed a forest fire and helped put out a couple of brush fires!”

Some Extraverted Intuitive types recall being sensitive about their factual knowledge even as children.An ENFP described an incident when he was about 9 years old.“My school class was doing a project on ponds and streams and the indigenous wildlife. I stated that a creature known as the great crested newt could be found in this habitat. My teacher denied the creature’s existence, and then I felt belittled in front of the class. I returned to school a few days later armed with reference books from the town library and copious notes and photographs to prove the creature’s existence. I felt vindicated and seldom went to the library to borrow similar books again.”

Overconcern with selected areas that involve facts or sensory data can also occur. One ENFP was characteristically picky about making selections from a restaurant menu. He invariably requested some alteration in the standard fare, adding or deleting a vegetable, grilling rather than broiling, and so on. His companions at these events would be subjected to a lengthy explanation of his finely discriminating gourmet tastes.

In mildly stressful or fatiguing situations, an uneasiness about facts comes out in projected form as a pickiness and obsessiveness about what would otherwise be judged by the Extraverted Intuitive type to be irrelevant detail. Often there are irritated complaints about others’ failure to attend to “important” details like typos, misplaced footnotes, motel beds that are too soft or too hard, or fussiness about food. One ENTP was surprised to learn from his wife that every time they discussed household finances, he would ask the same questions about their insurance policies—using exactly the same tone of voice.

Expressions Through Interests and Hobbies


For many Extraverted Intuitive types, the least-preferred function may be expressed through the development of expertise in one or two specific areas that require the use of Sensing. One ENFP who doesn’t care much for cooking is known for her superb pie crusts; another takes great pride and pleasure in doing all her own business accounting; and one ENTP has a passion for meticulous gardening and landscaping.

An ENFP described her interest in horse shows, especially turnout classes, as an adaptation of her inferior Introverted Sensing: “It involves a lot of preparation of the horse in the very early hours of the morning. I am alone and have to spend a large amount of time paying attention to very specific details to make sure everything is perfectly in order to be competitive.” Another ENTP described his lifelong hobby of model railroading: It connects me to facts and reality. I literally create a world in a very direct way, and I run that world. I operate it and manipulate it. It is also pure relaxation of my usual intense cognitive activity. When I stop working on my railroad, I can’t remember a single thought, only what I actually did. Another appeal of his hobby is its connection to his grandfather, who was an acclaimed master woodcarver.The hobby thus provides a strong sense of connection to his past.

Some ENTPs and ENFPs whose work lives involve primary use of their inferior and tertiary functions may welcome the opportunity to use their dominant and auxiliary functions in their hobbies. An ENFP listed his hobbies as “sports/exercise (especially team sports), travel, and going to clubs and concerts to listen to music and chat with friends.” He sees these hobbies as primarily addressing Extraverted Intuition and auxiliary Feeling. “I believe this is because I work in a highly ISTJ environment as an engineer and thus I work in my tertiary and inferior functions a lot. It can be exhausting.”

Eruptions of Inferior Introverted Sensing


When one or more of the preconditions for eruption of the inferior function are present, Introverted Sensing emerges in its more exaggerated, disruptive form.

Typical Provocations or Triggers


Fatigue and pressure from overcommitment often trigger inferior function reactions in ENTPs and ENFPs. Not surprisingly, given the typical expressions of their type, they mention physical exhaustion as an inferior function trigger more frequently than other types. Often the enthusiasm of Extraverted Intuitive types encourages them to overextend themselves and neglect their physical needs for food and rest.The result may be a physical illness that forces them to stop overdoing things and also may serve as a trigger for an inferior function experience.

An ENFP aptly described this when he said, “I think of myself as a high-stimulus person, and I enjoy having many things on the go at once. My ‘issue’ is knowing where to draw the line between so much to do that it becomes impossible and ‘just enough’ to keep the challenges interesting and attainable.” Both ENFPs and ENTPs mention taking on too much, but ENFPs seem particularly distressed by this tendency, often attributing it to their poor time management. Said one ENFP,“Too often, it is me not allowing enough time to finish a task or not leaving early enough to be on time.”

An important and frequent trigger for inferior Introverted Sensing is having to deal with a lot of details or attend to practical matters for long periods with no breaks. This is an especially effective provocation if the Extraverted Intuitive type’s efforts meet with failure. Dealing with bureaucratic red tape can be particularly noxious for Extraverted Intuitive types, who are likely to dig in their heels and refuse to capitulate to “ridiculous rules.”

For some ENTPs and ENFPs, violation of important values can constellate a reaction. Explained one ENFP, “It happens when I feel the pain of others who are the victims of someone’s extreme aggressiveness.” An ENTP economist’s severe inferior function reaction was triggered by working on a theoretical model that had negative social implications.

Triggers and Stressors at Work


Not surprisingly, the very opposite of what makes Extraverted Intuitive types excited about work is cited by them as very stressful. One major stressor is dealing with an overwhelming workload. This stressor may be particularly problematic for ENTPs and ENFPs because of their difficulty in distinguishing between the challenge and excitement of multiple demands and a totally unreasonable workload. Other stressors consistently mentioned by both male and female Extraverted Intuitive types include the following: too much structure, routine, rigidity, planning, specifics, being watched, being forced to work alone, staying in the same environment, no change, repetition, being unable to deviate from an agenda, being over-controlled by others, a prescriptive approach. Dealing with details is particularly stressful for female ENTPs and ENFPs. An ENTP woman cited as stressors “doing planning and detail and not having the right equipment, although I can adapt very quickly to crisis situations.” An ENFP woman listed the following: “details, managing my schedule, boundaries, rules, judgmental attitudes, too much paper, problems that don’t go away.”

Lack of stimulation and a constraining atmosphere can quickly cause Extraverted Intuitive types to lose energy and become demotivated at work. An ENTP said that what he finds stressful is “lack of space, routine and mundane activities, people looking over my shoulder, unproductive meetings, unnecessary reports.” Another ENTP added “boundaries, a judgmental atmosphere, constraints, negativity or apathy from others.”An ENFP described as stressful “long hours of work (more than fifty-five per week), a bad organizational climate, having to work for long periods by myself.”

Detailed work, deadlines, and excessive structure can all sap energy for these types, and the longer they operate in such an environment, the more likely it is to take its toll on their productivity and well-being. An ENFP described “spending an extended period of time on systematic, procedural, detail-oriented data and working with chronic, argumentative, antagonistic individuals” as quite debilitating.

In a work situation in which the particular stressors for Extraverted Intuitive types continue over long periods, ENTPs and ENFPs may respond quickly and intensely to the triggers described here.This increases the likelihood that their subsequent demonstrations of “grip” behavior will be frequent and pervasive. When persistent stress causes them to be chronically in the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing, they are likely to lose touch with their natural enthusiasm for future possibilities and their trust in their ability to successfully overcome obstacles. They may doggedly focus on minor facts and details and habitually complain about others’ factual and detail errors.

The Form of the Inferior Function


Many young male and female ENTPs and ENFPs report becoming uncharacteristically quiet and reserved when they are out of character and find this in marked contrast to their usual openness and sociability. Like other young Extraverted types, they do not seem to find anything positive in moving to this Introverted approach, but are rather puzzled and surprised by it. “I become very quiet and reserved,” said an ENTP young man, “and I don’t talk to people like I normally do.” An ENFP young woman said, “Sometimes I withdraw from everyone, sit alone for hours, and just think. Let stuff stew in my head alone.” Older Extraverted Intuitive types also do not report much pleasure in being withdrawn, quiet, and reserved, and in losing their natural Extraverted Intuitive qualities. Said an ENFP,“I become very quiet, unsure about my thoughts and expressing them. I think a whole lot.”

As the connection with dominant Intuition diminishes, so do Extraverted Intuitive types’ characteristic enthusiasm, optimism, and energetic approach to life. When their hold on their dominant and auxiliary functions continues to taper off, the qualities of inferior Introverted Sensing manifest in withdrawal and depression, obsessiveness, and a focus on the body. For ENTPs, tertiary Feeling emerges as strong, uncontrollable, and emotional criticism that accompanies the obsessive “facts” that overwhelm them. The tertiary Thinking of ENFPs contributes to their obsessive “facts” the sarcastic, legalistic “logic” that proves others’ failings.

Two qualities of the negative, inferior forms of Introverted Sensing (obsessiveness and a focus on the body) are reflected in Jung’s (1976a) description of the inferior Introverted Sensing of ENTPs and ENFPs:

They take the form of intense projections which are . . . chiefly concerned with quasi-realities, such as sexual suspicions, financial hazards, forebodings of illness, etc. . . . [The Extraverted Intuitive may] fall victim to neurotic compulsions in the form of oversubtle ratiocinations, hair-splitting dialectics, and a compulsive tie to the sensation aroused by the object. . . . But sooner or later the object takes revenge in the form of compulsive hypochondriacal ideas, phobias, and every imaginable kind of absurd bodily sensation. (p. 370)


Withdrawal and Depression


Effective dominant Introverted Sensing types are in their element when they spend time alone in reflection. Processing their stored information is familiar and pleasurable, and they are energized by their Introverted Sensing activities. For ENTPs and ENFPs in the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing, the inward focus of energy is unfamiliar and disturbing.The diminution of Extraverted energy results in feelings of sadness and despair.Tertiary Thinking or Feeling may emerge as well. For ENTPs this comes out in a conviction that no one understands them or cares about them; they may become emotional and vulnerable in this state. ENFPs may demonstrate perverse logic and accuse others of not being rational, insisting that logic is the only acceptable criterion for making a decision.

In this condition, one ENTP describes feeling isolated, convinced that no one loves her or ever has. Another reports feeling hollow, turned off, “fixated on a narrow linear trap.”Another ENTP is plagued by an uncharacteristic emotionalism. “When things don’t go well, I resort to emotion to get my point across,” he explained. “There is a sense of feeling numb and frozen with no way out,” said an ENFP.“I have tunnel vision and lose my sense of time.” Another noted that when he is under too much pressure, his verbal skills deteriorate until “I become almost mute.”

Many ENFPs describe turning inward, eventually becoming grumpy and depressed and putting people off. Their Feeling side seems to disappear. One ENFP said,“I realized I had become numb and frozen inside— there was no light, no energy—just a wasteland of a landscape, and I was plodding through it.” Another ENFP described “deep depression and hopelessness.The most extreme unrealistic scenarios become real and factual. I will be broke, I will die of some dread disease, I will lose all respect among professional colleagues.”

Both ENTPs and ENFPs report a loss of enthusiasm and motivation accompanied by low energy. They are prone to an uncharacteristic, uncomfortable pensiveness and are unable to find pleasure in the things they normally enjoy. This may lead to self-neglect and, ultimately, illness. This kind of approach to life is particularly alien to them, for they are usually enthusiastic, fun-loving, and full of energy.

An ENFP said, “There is a lot more going on inside my head. I want to be alone to think and it becomes one-track thinking. Everything else is clouded by this one issue—I can’t stop thinking about it. I lose confidence in myself and doubt myself in every realm of my life.”

One ENFP noted that twice a year, in winter and summer, she regularly experiences ten days to three weeks during which she retreats into herself and broods. Others describe periods of becoming withdrawn, critical, unfriendly, and cold. Isolation can exacerbate this reaction. An ENFP who was forced to spend a lot of time alone while recuperating from a badly broken leg was put on antidepressant medication after a month of increasingly lengthy periods of sobbing and despair.

Obsessiveness


Effective dominant Introverted Sensing types are adept at dealing with many facts and details and at putting their knowledge to practical use. In the psyche of ENTPs and ENFPs in the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing, this appears as an obsessive focus on one or two facts or details. This is in marked contrast to their typical perspective, which includes the broadest range of possibilities in the world.

The tunnel vision that accompanies the expression of all the inferior functions is particularly dramatic for ENTPs and ENFPs because they no longer have the Extraverted Intuitive energy necessary to envision a future that differs from their present obsession. All sense of possibilities is eliminated.

An ENTP said that sometimes the details involved in a major project overwhelm her so much that she slips into an obsessive focus on how much time is left to work on the project: “I get it down to minutes and keep repeating the time frame over and over.”

An ENFP said, “I can become compulsive when I begin to bring order into my kitchen or when I’m balancing the bank statement. I’m generally pretty relaxed about order and usually have piles of books and stuff that needs to be returned to file cabinets.” Another ENFP said, “I examine, analyze, question stupid things. I also get overly organized, planning and cleaning things rather than getting to the task appropriately. I work overtime to create organization for myself. I count things (like sides on a piece of furniture) over and over. I remember and get obsessed with facts and details, remember dates, memories of being bombarded with ‘unwanted greatness.’ I have an overwhelming need for all data to make every ‘little’ fact relevant.”

When their Intuition is not working, sensory data become the all encompassing objects of perception for Extraverted Intuitive types. But as their statements indicate, their lack of expertise in this area usually leads to an inappropriate selection of sensory data.And because “the future is now” in a very distorted way, they take the data at hand and project it into a vague, oppressive future.They may focus on a thought, such as “I’m alone now and will always be alone,” rather than the dominant Intuitive type’s more typical response of “I’m alone now; I wonder what interesting things I can find to do, and what exciting people I’ll find in the world.” In this state, the depression and hopelessness described earlier readily occur.

It seems that when inferior Sensing focuses on a single fact, dormant dominant Extraverted Intuition intrudes and generalizes it. Because their Extraverted Intuition is not functioning in its usual well-developed way, ENTPs and ENFPs cannot recognize the fact in question as one possibility among many. No perspective exists for the person beyond the one fact.

Extraverted Intuitive types in this state report being unable to respond to alternatives presented to them by others. The present fact—be it pain, depression, or whatever occupies the central focus at that moment—is projected into forever.

Extraverted Intuitive types report one or more of the following ways of obsessing: being overly picky, getting upset about little things, becoming irritable, escalating small irritations into major issues, getting finicky over unimportant things, being nervous and jumpy with people, and becoming fussy, crabby, short-tempered, and rigid.“I am usually a very happy and relaxed person,” said one ENFP.“Sometimes I want people to just get to the bottom line, and then I want to analyze for them where they went wrong and just get on with it.This is quite out of character for me and I feel bad when I’ve been like this. People tell me that when I’m in my negative mode I become terse and clipped in my interactions with others.

I give orders and delegate in a very autocratic manner.” An ENTP described becoming outraged by minor errors, irritated by detail, intolerant of interruptions and people—“the very things I usually welcome.” Another told of feeling overwhelmed and out of control, being unable to sort out priorities, and thus becoming inflexible.

An ENFP described becoming curt with people, insensitive, literal, logical, and critical, and being especially insensitive and pedantic about language and vocabulary. Other ENFPs report doing obsessive record keeping, organizing data from their checkbooks, making endless lists of things to do, and putting minute details in order. “I become incredibly organized; everything is step by step when I’m under stress. I also act to get things done, not worrying as much about the impact,” said an ENFP.

Many ENFPs report fanatically mowing the lawn or cleaning house and being unable to stop themselves, even though they typically view these activities as relatively unimportant and avoid them. The ISTJ husband of one ENFP reluctantly admitted that he rather liked it when his wife was highly stressed because it was the only time the house ever got thoroughly cleaned! An ENFP described the following reaction as very distressing:

I cannot respond to another’s conversation. I pace, the traffic is loud, the clock is loud, sounds I never noticed before are deafening and very slow. It’s almost as though time is standing still. My usual self is calm, patient, and friendly. I would classify not responding to the conversation of another as exceedingly rude behavior. And I’m generally oblivious to noise.


Another ENFP becomes picky and critical of himself and others. Usually, he sees the bigger picture, is flexible, and allows others to be who they are without trying to control or change their behavior.

On the day before the final examination in a workshop, when anxieties typically run high, a minor typesetting error was discovered in a table of data in the test manual.The instructor commented that there were two or three other errors in the text that would be corrected in the next printing.

One ENFP heatedly stated that he wanted the publisher to prepare a document listing all the typos in the text and to send it to him so he wouldn’t have to buy a new text when the errors were corrected.

Focus on the Body


When effective dominant Introverted Sensing types describe the nuances of their internal sensory experiences, one can marvel at the exquisite, evocative images that emerge. When an Extraverted Intuitive type in the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing focuses on inner sensations and internal experiences, it often translates into exaggerated concern about physical “symptoms,” whose diagnostic meaning is always dire and extreme. In the grip of their inferior function, ENTPs and ENFPs frequently over-interpret real or imagined bodily sensations as indicative of illness.

When they are in full command of their dominant and auxiliary functions, these types easily ignore or minimize messages from their bodies. So when they do focus on the body, it is done to the exclusion of everything else and with little experience of what is “normal” for them. A particular symptom can have only one cause, which must be life threatening or incurable: A pulled muscle is taken as a sign of heart disease; indigestion signifies an impending heart attack; and a headache is believed to be a brain tumor. It seems that when their Intuition isn’t working, they react to messages from their bodies rigidly and absolutely.

An ENTP had been in a rare bad mood for several days but was unable to identify any cause. One morning while shaving, he noticed that when he turned his eyes to the left, the white in his right eye crinkled.He had never noticed that before and was terrified that something was terribly wrong with his eyes. Before making an appointment with an eye doctor, however, he decided to observe other people’s eyes to determine just how bad his were.To his relief (and chagrin), he found that everyone’s eyes moved the same way his did. He had simply never bothered to look at eyes—his own or other people’s—at all closely before.

An ENFP fell and injured a small bone in her back, which she could feel as a bump. She asked a friend, who was a nurse, what the bump could be and was told that it was probably a cyst. She quickly translated the cyst into cancer and imagined herself on Medicaid dying alone in a squalid hospital ward. In fact, all that was necessary was a visit to a chiropractor to have the bone put back in place.

During a particularly stressful time, another ENFP woman insisted that her husband have an otherwise innocent-appearing wart removed because she feared it was malignant.An ENFP man reported that in times of great stress he becomes obsessed with illness. Once, when he had a routine liver function test, he became convinced he was dying of liver cancer before the test was even performed. Another ENFP told of owning a blood pressure cuff he rarely uses—except when he becomes very stressed, at which times he takes his blood pressure three times a day.

One ENTP described taking any fact and blowing it out of proportion—for example, imagining an illness in his child as a fatal disease. Others report having a low pain threshold, fearing the dentist, and reacting to stress with a number of somatic symptoms. In fact, though physical symptoms as an expression of stress are common across types, it may be possible that “somaticizing” is more prevalent among Extraverted Intuitive types. One ENTP had digestive problems for fifteen years. During a period of extreme stress, he developed a life-threatening bleeding ulcer. An ENFP and an ENTP discovered in a discussion that they both have medical conditions that force them to attend to their bodies—something they did not do prior to having the conditions. As a result, they more readily attend to their other physical needs as well.

There is an interesting contrast between the imagined negative outcomes of minor bodily symptoms reported by Extraverted Intuitive types and the catastrophizing that is an expression of the inferior Extraverted Intuition of Introverted Sensing types. Although there is some seeming similarity, the processes through which the two negative expressions occur are actually quite different. For Introverted Sensing types, the future is always somewhat suspect, so stress encourages them to imagine and anticipate a future filled with negative outcomes. Extraverted Intuitive types, in contrast, are typically optimistic and welcoming of future possibilities. But when they get stuck on a present fact or situation, they lose sight of the future, imagining it as an endless repetition of the negative situation that is occurring right now.

One way in which Extraverted Intuitive types may try to return to being themselves when chronically stressed is to vacillate between the extremes of frenetic Extraverted and Introverted Sensing. Because both extremes are likely to be exaggerated and undisciplined, little of substance is accomplished in either state. When they finally succumb to negative Introverted Sensing, it may take the form of moderate to severe depression and a sense of hopelessness about the future. One ENFP said, “I get in a downward spiral. One time I went into a stress-induced depression. I almost left my job and made it back through therapy.”

Perhaps because ENTPs and ENFPs thrive on the threshold of chronic stress, they seem to have a high tolerance for situations that might prove debilitating for many other types. ENTPs in particular report very few sources of stress in their lives, and both types report a low incidence of heart disease and hypertension, ENTPs having the lowest incidence of all the types. This is in marked contrast to their opposite types, ISTJs and ISFJs.

Extraverted Intuitive types are likely to leave work situations in which conditions become intolerable, but usually not because they are overloaded or forced to work very hard. Rather, such conditions as working with incompetent people (especially for ENTPs) or being forced to adhere to unacceptable work values (especially for ENFPs) are likely to trigger quitting the noxious situation. Sometimes becoming ill or depressed and recognizing how different they have become can force these types to take action. Some of the flavor of what constitutes a noxious work setting is captured in this statement by an ENTP who said that stress was a very important factor in quitting her job:“I reacted by leaving an organization and becoming an independent consultant. I can select the work I want and the people I work with. I can arrange my own schedule.There are no stupid rules and regulations. I enjoy helping organizations function better, but I don’t want to be part of one.” She had earlier described the most stressful work demands of her previous job as “working with incompetent people, not having control of my own schedule and activities, and running up against a lot of stupid rules and regulations.”

Lengthy Episodes in the Grip


The types of episodes described above are experienced by ENTPs and ENFPs as temporary states during which they are vulnerable to the three forms in which their inferior function is expressed. However, when Extraverted Intuitive types are chronically in the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing, inferior function behavior may become habitual. Little of their typical enthusiasm, open-minded acceptance of new ideas, and uncanny visioning of future trends will be seen. Instead, they will be irritable, critical of everyone around them, and obsessed with minutia.They are likely to find fault with everything and everyone, especially close family members and co-workers. If their obsessiveness involves a focus on imagined illness, they may be unable to shake their conviction that they are seriously ill, despite medical reassurances. Depression may result from this or simply as a consequence of their unnatural focus on negative realities in the present.

Chronic grip behavior may lead the individual and others to believe that he or she is typically irritable, impatient, and cranky, vacillating between withdrawal and frenetic activity. Since the process of becoming chronically in the grip is often gradual, even people who have known the person in a nonstressed state are likely not to notice what, in retrospect will be recognized as a radical alteration of personality. The person will appear to be a rather exaggerated, poorly developed Introverted Sensing type.

However, there are also occasions when a lengthy time in the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing can stimulate new awareness and positive growth toward completion and individuation. Remember that Jung saw the inferior function as the doorway to the unconscious and an important part of the self-regulating capacity of our psyches.

Return of Equilibrium


Extraverted Intuitive types seem to need time to reflect, fully experience themselves, and even “wallow” in their inferior state. ENFP men in particular for all Extraverted types to attend to their Introverted functions, is particularly appealing to Extraverted Intuitive types in the grip of their inferior function.

As is the case for most types, Extraverted Intuitive types in the midst of a grip experience need others to back off and avoid patronizing them. It can be helpful if some of the overwhelming details are attended to, but attempts to assist by taking over and “solving the problem” for them are not appreciated.Talking to trusted friends helps, especially for ENTP and ENFP women, as long as the friends don’t offer advice (or, if they do offer it, they don’t expect it to be taken), make judgments, or try to talk them out of their negative state.

Movement out of the inferior function often is aided by a positive engagement of the Sensing function, especially in situations in which a neglect of behavior associated with Sensing has provoked an inferior function experience. Physical exercise, such as jogging, engaging in some quiet sensing, or visualizing a place of peace and silence can be helpful. ENFPs in particular mention exercise as helpful. For most Extraverted Intuitive types, attending to physical needs, such as sleeping a lot, eating good food, and getting massages, also accompanies the gradually diminishing effects of the inferior.

The role of the auxiliary function is apparent for ENTPs, who find it helpful to try to analyze what is happening, either alone or with a close friend who is able to accept the ENTP’s emotion and help him or her sort out priorities.An ENTP said,“I make myself stop and really consider what it is that’s worrying me—do a reality check of how I might achieve it.This stimulates me into positive actions to start dealing with the situation, rather than just worrying about it.” Another ENTP suggested that others “talk to me as I am, combining the normal me and the anxious me.”

For ENFPs, who may be communicating uncharacteristic coldness and indifference, what is needed from others is warmth, kindness, and approval. It is interesting to note that ENFP women in particular seem to call on their tertiary Thinking to help them, perhaps reflecting the value of being forced to develop Thinking in their work lives.

One said,“I sort of talk myself out of it—often aloud, reasoning and feeling my way back to a more comfortable and productive position.” And another said she needed “time out—to rationally evaluate the reality (the truth of the situation—not just as I see it.), assess things, and decide what I need to do.”

A third ENFP woman described needing others to help “by applying logic to my irrational, exaggerated obsessions—bringing me back to earth.” Extraverted Intuitive types often respond to an inferior episode by resolving to pay more attention to details, especially the kind involved in their recent negative experience. They may also gain a new respect for their bodies and their physical limitations.They report being better able (at least for a while) to maintain a more balanced perspective regarding their often overly ambitious expectations of themselves.They may create a plan to attend to their bodies with such things as an exercise regimen, and to develop their inner judgment with such things as formal meditation or regular quiet time.They may also resolve to notice and deal more quickly with the overload that can signal an impending inferior function episode.

Summary


In the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing, Extraverted Intuitive types tend to withdraw and become depressed, obsess about details, and become focused on their bodies.When they are obsessing about one or two inner facts, their dominant Extraverted Intuition may intrude in the form of a theory projecting the few facts into the distant future. Auxiliary Thinking or Feeling accompanies their return to equilibrium. ENTPs use logical analysis to do so, and ENFPs reconnect with their inner value structure and its relationship to their dominant Intuition.

As a result of important inferior function experiences, Extraverted Intuitive types acknowledge the limitations of their physical and mental energies, resolve to take better care of themselves, and integrate a greater report needing time alone. Meditation, which can be a useful way appreciation for details, facts, structure, and careful planning.

Quenk on inferior Fe:
Introverted Thinking Types
I S T P a n d I N T P

BASIC TYPE DYNAMICS
Dominant Introverted Thinking
Auxiliary Extraverted Sensing or Intuition
Tertiary Intuition or Sensing
Inferior Extraverted Feeling

by Naomi L. Quenk


Important Features of Dominant Introverted Thinking

Introverted Thinking types maintain the utmost objectivity. They approach people and events as dispassionate observers, with the goal of arriving at the most comprehensive truth possible.The process of objective analysis is a source of great enjoyment for the Introverted Thinking type, with its outcome often of much lesser importance. Introverted Thinking types typically do not take constructive criticism and disagreement personally.They often welcome tough, unrelenting critique as an aid to achieving the highest levels of accuracy and objectivity.

Because they do not take criticism personally, ISTPs and INTPs are often surprised to discover that others are hurt or offended by their constructive criticism. Others often see them as distant, unfeeling, disinterested in people, and arrogant—all characteristics that they disavow. The fact that they may appear to have these qualities is a function of their basic typological approach, which applies objective analysis to most things, including people.

In a crisis that does not provoke their inferior function, Introverted Thinking types take the same detached, objective approach typical of their non-stressful problem solving.They don’t tend to report the internal (and undetectable) turmoil described by the Introverted Sensing types, and they appear to experience little or no emotional response to objectively experienced crises.

Introverted Thinking Types at Work


Achievement and satisfaction at work are as central to the identity of Introverted Thinking types as they are for their Extraverted Thinking counterparts. In general, however, ISTPs and especially INTPs report less satisfaction with their work situations than do ESTJs and ENTJs. A corporate environment that emphasizes management of people, observable team efforts, and outer-world results often forces Introverts to use their less-preferred form of energy. This can be particularly difficult for Introverted Thinking types because they are most energized when they can work independently and with intense focus on challenging problems.

ISTPs’ auxiliary Sensing function motivates them to prefer clear, stable structures and responsibilities at work. In that context, they enjoy active involvement in concrete, tangible efforts. One ISTP likes “breaking down problems into manageable steps and finding solutions that work for everyone,” another likes “solving problems and building things,” and a third favors “a variety of issues requiring my attention; a fast-paced environment with lots of problem-solving requirements.”“Solving problems and building things” is most energizing for an ISTP in his early twenties.

INTPs’ auxiliary Intuition emerges in their desire to be creative, independent, and resourceful in solving problems.An INTP said,“I love doing good, competent work that makes a difference for my clients. I enjoy the collegial and intellectually rigorous environment.” An INTP in her early twenties mentioned “having a challenge that I successfully overcome.”

INTPs enjoy devising new systems and putting ideas together in different ways. Both of the Introverted Thinking types want the highest level of autonomy and the freedom to solve problems in their own way. As one ISTP explained, “I want the freedom to use my time in my own way, to spend as much time as necessary thinking.”

Important Features of Dominant Extraverted Feeling


The qualities associated with Extraverted Feeling that are relevant to our discussion of its form as an inferior function are
• Comfortable inattention to logic
• Sensitivity to others’ welfare
• Sharing of emotions


The Everyday Extraverted Feeling
of Introverted Thinking Types


The inferior function affects Introverted Thinking types in several different ways. These include everyday sensitivities, projections, and ways of relaxing, as well as the dramatic manifestations that can be seen when the inferior erupts and a full-blown episode occurs or when an ISTP or INTP is chronically in the grip because of long-term stress.

Typical Sensitivities and Projections


Introverted Thinking types may notice and comment on what they consider to be inappropriate, irrelevant, even histrionic communication styles and behavior, which they often attribute to Extraverted Feeling types or Extraverted Intuitive types with auxiliary Feeling (ENFPs).They may treat such people with disdain and in turn may be seen as hypercritical, dismissive, and lacking in social graces.

An INTP father was chastised by his wife and children—all of whom had a preference for Feeling—because, when he was told by his son that he had crashed his bike into a wall, his first question was,“Is the bike badly damaged?” The family members agreed that he should have first asked whether his son was hurt. The father replied that he had already determined by looking at him that his son was not hurt and therefore had chosen the condition of the bike as the next logical priority. This father was quite puzzled by his family’s perception that he cared more for a bicycle than for his son. He assumed that his love for his family was self-evident.

Introverted Thinking types may assess behavior based on subjective values as “noise in the system” that interferes with the accurate appraisal of situations and is therefore a waste of time. Extraverted Feeling types can seem out of control to them.The higher value that ESFJs and ENFJs place on harmony over logically determined truth arouses distrust in the Introverted Thinking type, who then doubts these types’ intellectual abilities.

Like their Extraverted Thinking counterparts, Introverted Thinking types may therefore interpret other peoples’ need for frequent personal validation as weakness and insecurity.

Because Introverted Thinking types value logical Thinking and objective analysis of situations, they do not see much value in idle conversation and social small talk. They may feel inept and awkward when situations require this of them, and their discomfort, inexperience, and lack of understanding of this kind of social interaction often leads them to “put my foot in my mouth and say exactly the most inappropriate thing,” as one INTP expressed it. “I then feel really inadequate and foolish and I can dwell on my ineptness for days,” he explained.

As for expressing their own Feeling side,Von Franz (1971) states that the feeling of the introverted thinking type is extraverted. He has the same kind of strong, loyal and warm feeling described as typical for the extraverted thinking type, but with the difference that the feeling of the introverted thinking type flows toward definite objects. (p. 41)

Those definite objects may be people, causes, spiritual arenas, and so on. In their raw, inexperienced form, these Feeling expressions come out as clichés and sound sentimental and excessive. Sensing this, Introverted Thinking types hesitate to express them and may do so only in the relative safety of close one-on-one relationships.

Expressions Through Interests and Hobbies


Many ISTPs and INTPs have a passion for challenging but primarily solitary physical activities.They may be avid mountain or rock climbers and serious hikers or backpackers.They describe having a deep emotional and spiritual reaction to wilderness experiences and their oneness with the universe. The mountain, trail, or rock can become the “other” in their experience of intense feeling.

One INTP mountain climber writes emotionally evocative poetry describing his reactions to his climbing experiences.An ISTP police lieutenant loves listening to music of the Romantic era, especially Wagner. Another ISTP enjoys reading romance novels and an INTP reads spiritual literature. Another INTP covers both auxiliary Sensing and inferior Feeling in her relaxation activities. She described her pleasure in a “sensory trip” to a nearby small town, where she quickly checks out the bookstore, listens to music, sits in the park, eats ice cream, and reflects on the week. She also engages in deep conversation with an ESFJ friend and makes special cards to express her appreciation or love to special people.

Tertiary Sensing often shows in the hobbies of INTPs. They mention gardening, cooking, knitting, and playing golf or other sports that require individual skill. ISTPs may engage tertiary Intuition through such activities as visiting museums or reading art books. One ISTP’s elaborate model train boards create complex, evocative scenes, complete with stories about the tiny figures and their lives in the towns he depicts.


Eruptions of Inferior Extraverted Feeling


When one or more of the preconditions for an eruption of the inferior function are present, Extraverted Feeling appears in its more exaggerated, disruptive form.

Typical Provocations or Triggers


Being around people who are expressing strong emotions can serve as a trigger for Introverted Thinking types, especially if those people are criticizing the personal characteristics of the ISTP or INTP. Dealing with incompetence also serves as a major trigger. And, as is the case for Extraverted Thinking types, ISTPs and INTPs can be pushed into the grip when their own strong values and feelings are not recognized or affirmed.

Others’ insensitivity to an Introverted Thinking type’s need for silence and solitude—“not enough time to recharge,” said one INTP—can also provoke the experience.The short-term, intense stress of a crisis situation, especially if others are expressing strong emotions and the ISTP or INTP is expected to respond to the emotion, is also a stimulus to the inferior function. Introverted Thinking types may themselves react with an uncharacteristic display of emotion or readily take offense at such times.

Other triggers are feeling controlled by arbitrary situations that limit their freedom of choice and action, and feeling that others are intruding on their space. Being treated unfairly and feeling unheard, unvalued, and excluded from important decision-making discussions can also push these types into their inferior function. An INTP covered many triggers to inferior Extraverted Feeling in her description: “other people becoming very emotional, excessive control from other people, others encroaching on my responsibilities, having to rely on others who—I feel—are not competent.”

In projecting their inferior Extraverted Feeling onto others, Introverted Thinking types can readily see others’ easy expression of emotion as hysterical and out of control. Because of their fear of being consumed by strong, uncontrollable emotions, they assume that any expression of emotion is similarly out of bounds. ISTPs and INTPs may try to leave a situation in which highly charged feelings are being expressed, and if that is not possible, they may react with a full-blown episode of their inferior function.

Triggers and Stressors at Work


Introverted Thinking types find being micromanaged, supervising and working with incompetent, uncooperative people, and dealing with an overwhelming workload to be major sources of stress and dissatisfaction at work. Deadlines and an excessive workload can interfere with their need for time to focus in depth on the problems they are trying to solve for their organization. Incompetent people inhibit their reaching a solution or acquiring necessary information, and onerous, rigid supervision wastes their time and insults their sense of competence. One INTP listed as stressful “paperwork, especially if the purpose is unclear; overly directive managers and situations in which my autonomy is compromised; pointless meetings; and large ‘networking’ events.” An ISTP said, “Don’t tell me I can’t do something and try to restrict my freedom.”

Both types, especially INTPs, find it stressful when they don’t have sufficient time to be alone and introvert, which makes multiple meetings and meandering agendas particularly noxious for them. Both types are as stressed when strong emotions are displayed at work, an event that often engages their inferior Extraverted Feeling.An INTP described her stressors as “emotionalized situations and interpersonal conflict.” An ISTP said he finds it stressful “when individuals get hung up on their personal preferences—refusing to let their emotions take a backseat, which becomes an obstacle.”

In a work situation in which the particular stressors for Introverted Thinking types persist over a long period, an ISTP or INTP may be pushed into the grip very quickly and powerfully by the triggers described here. His or her subsequent demonstrations of “grip” behavior are likely to be frequent and pervasive.

When persistent stress causes these types to be chronically in the grip of inferior Extraverted Feeling, episodes of intellectual inefficiency and poor use of logic can become habitual. Their typical and “normal” moderate dissatisfaction with their work situation can also become chronic. They may complain continually about others’ incompetence and the irrationality of management.They are likely to feel singled out for victimization and may imagine elaborate but baseless “conspiracies” being hatched by co-workers or supervisors that are designed to make the ISTP or INTP look bad and exclude him or her from decision-making roles at work. One INTP described this as “feeling paranoid.”

INTPs tend to find more areas of life to be stressful than do ISTPs, and they have fewer available ways of coping with stress than any other type. However, ISTPs report the second-highest frequency (ISFPs being first) of hypertension and heart disease. INTPs, like INFPs, report these conditions relatively infrequently.


The Form of the Inferior


Like Introverted Feeling types, Introverted Thinking types often report becoming uncharacteristically sociable, outgoing, and expressive of feelings as part of their inferior function experience.This is reported by both males and females of these types and by individuals of all ages. However, the loss of social inhibition is likely to emerge eventually in easily expressed anger, being loud and perhaps inappropriate and obnoxious. Introverted Thinking types seem to report less pleasure in losing their inhibitions than do Introverted Feeling types, perhaps because they are uncomfortable extraverting their normally introverted critical Thinking. It may be that their naturally unspoken critical stance emerges more quickly than it does for ISFPs and INFPs.

As the Introverted Thinking type’s conscious control of differentiated Thinking starts to diminish, use of that dominant function along with auxiliary Sensing or Intuition becomes increasingly difficult.The internal struggle for control may be largely unobserved by others. But as time goes on, others may notice a certain slowness, vagueness, and distractibility replacing the sharp acuity that they are used to seeing in the ISTP or INTP.

Introverted Thinking types report becoming illogical, inefficient, unfocused, and scattered.An INTP described becoming “emotional, edgy, disorganized, obsessive about details, confused, closed. Usually I am easygoing, centered, and creative and see lots of options.” An ISTP reported becoming “confused, disorganized, unable to focus. I lose track of my organizational strategies and get messy.” A young ISTP described himself as “slow and dimwitted, forgetting stuff all the time.”And a youthful INTP said, “I lack the mental energy and clarity that I ordinarily maintain. I’m not able to concentrate at all. I become completely illogical.”

As inferior Extraverted Feeling becomes more prominent in the demeanor of the Introverted Thinking type, it comes out in the form of logic being emphasized to an extreme, hypersensitivity to relationships, and emotionalism. For ISTPs, tertiary Intuition may aid and abet these forms, appearing as a conviction of some imagined “pattern” of others’ uncaring neglect of the ISTP’s needs and feelings. For INTPs, tertiary Sensing takes the form of an obsessive review of the facts and details that prove that others neglect the INTP’s needs and feelings.

Jung (1976a) touched on a combination of these characteristics as they can be seen in their inferior form:
Because of the highly impersonal character of the conscious attitude, the unconscious feelings are extremely personal and oversensitive, giving rise to secret prejudices—a readiness, for instance, to misconstrue any opposition to his formula as personal ill-will, or a constant tendency to make negative assumptions about other people in order to invalidate their arguments in advance—in defense, naturally, of his own touchiness. (p. 350)


Logic Emphasized to an Extreme


Effective dominant Extraverted Feeling types are quite comfortable making decisions that are not logical. Introverted Thinking types in the grip of inferior Extraverted Feeling may become passionately insistent on the application of logic, becoming quite emotional about their approach. As an extension of their loss of control over the Thinking function, the Introverted Thinking type begins to engage in excessively logical, unproductive thinking. There may be an obsessive quality to this thinking. One ISTP feels compelled to “prove” the accuracy of his perception of things. An INTP said, “If a problem comes up that I’m unable to resolve, I work at it anyway and can’t let go of it, even if I know I can’t solve it.”

Other Introverted Thinking types report becoming less articulate, speaking rapidly and disjointedly, and using sharp, clear, but “paranoid” logic.They may find that they forget things, misplace objects, and engage in futile projects that don’t accomplish anything and are marked by disorganization.

One INTP described becoming rigidly stuck on a false belief that at the time seemed totally supported by logic. Later, he was able to reassess his conviction as an inferior “Feeling judgment masquerading as logic.” “I am very impatient, demanding, and extremely logical,” said another INTP.“I am obsessively analytical,” said another.

Hypersensitivity to Relationships


Effective dominant Extraverted Feeling types value their relationships with others.They carefully consider the well-being of others in making decisions and devote energy and enthusiasm to personal and social interactions. In the grip of inferior Extraverted Feeling, the Introverted Thinking type experiences increasing hypersensitivity to “Feeling” areas.And just as Extraverted Thinking types struggle to maintain controlled efficiency and competency when in the initial grip of the inferior function, so ISTPs and INTPs valiantly try to hide their formerly alien concerns with being liked and appreciated. In this unfamiliar state, they overinterpret or misinterpret others’ innocent comments or body language.“I nail someone and babble forever about my feelings and all the terrible things ‘they’ are doing to me,” said an ISTP.However, to the Introverted Thinking type, the perceived slights are accurate and authentic.

Something as innocuous as someone failing to say hello upon entering a room, or briefly interrupting a conversation to greet a passerby, may be interpreted as an indicator of dislike and disapproval. ISTPs and INTPs tend to feel discounted when others do not listen to them attentively. “I tend to be emotionally hypersensitive when I’m ‘not myself.’ It’s extraordinarily different from my usual state of logical ‘emotional detachment,’” said an INTP.

Others are usually slow to catch on to the altered state of the Introverted Thinking type, as was noted earlier for Extraverted Thinking types. Distress, anxiety, and annoyance are typically expressed with minimal cues—a raised eyebrow, a distant look, or other subtle body language may be the only signal. Further, family, friends, and colleagues, who are in the habit of trusting the person’s careful, objective analysis of people and events, are likely to take the ISTP’s or INTP’s conclusions as objectively true. They have little reason to doubt, for example, that the boss doesn’t appreciate the INTP and won’t let him do a particular project. They about things may be judged irrelevant to the problem at hand and therefore as interfering with logical decision making. In contrast, Feeling types typically consider such data entirely relevant to their decisions.Their primary decision-making criteria include personal values, feelings, and consequences for important people and institutions.

Due to limited experience, therefore, Thinking types’ emotional expression lacks the differentiation and subtlety of feeling seen in well-differentiated Feeling types.When positive feelings are involved, they may seem maudlin and sentimental.

One INTP said she becomes “mushy, sentimental, very outwardly emotional, and unpredictably so.”A young ISTP said,“At times I feel really emotional when I’m by myself thinking about things that normally wouldn’t bother me.”With greater intensity, inferior Feeling comes out as raw, extreme emotion. Feeling judgment seems to become increasingly exaggerated and obsessive, reaching a point where it no longer serves a judging purpose but becomes unbridled emotionalism.

“I am ‘hysterical.’ I believe that nobody likes me and I am worthless . . . [and] have nothing to contribute to society. Whereas normally I am very happy to be alone, when I am ‘not myself ’ I seek affirmation from everyone. I call all my friends until I feel better,” related an INTP. An ISTP said, “I talk about inner feelings and show emotions. I don’t usually do that; I also express criticism toward others—I usually keep it to myself.”

When the contents of this normally unconscious, primitive function rise to the surface, they appear as a loss of control over emotional expression. There are reports of irritability and difficulty in holding back frustration and anger. In early phases, the Introverted Thinking type may become fidgety, trembling, and sarcastic, stomping around and making verbal attacks, exaggerating and accusing others. In more extreme cases, there may be physical outbursts that include breaking things and attacking people.

An INTP college student was deeply involved in a research paper when some of his friends invited him to go to a carnival with them. He refused, but they persisted anyway.When one grabbed his pen and paper and teasingly refused to return them, he began yelling at her and grabbed her arm. Both he and his friends were surprised and frightened by the swiftness and intensity of his reaction.

Although expression of anger is common, especially in younger ISTPs and INTPs, often there is increasing self-pity and a sense of feeling neglected, unappreciated, and even victimized.With greater loss of control, Introverted Thinking types can burst into tears with no warning. One wrong word can trigger an emotional outburst accompanied by rage, crying, and rising emotionality. Some describe feeling as if all their emotions are all mixed up, released with uncharacteristic spontaneity.“I start to notice my own feelings and become moody and impatient; I deny to others that anything is wrong, but all the while I feel like I am drowning in emotions,” said one ISTP.Another described being “very emotional and unable to keep my reactions to situations under control.”

Not only are their own emotions problematic, but so are the emotional reactions of others. Some Introverted Thinking types say they cannot truly understand something in the Feeling arena if they haven’t actually experienced it. As a result, when they are in the grip of their inferior function, they find that emotions from others are upsetting and only intensify the magnitude of the situation. The three manifestations of the inferior function typically appear together. One INTP feels martyred and cannot help snapping, whining, and complaining to people. She reports becoming very emotional and a little irrational, unable to organize or problem-solve with her usual efficiency and competence. Another INTP describes feeling numb, frozen, or enraged, as well as exhausted and unable to concentrate.

Some describe an inability to keep their emotions to themselves, even though they wish to reveal little of their internal processes. In this state, said an ISTP, “I act out my displeasure rather than keeping it to myself as I am inclined to do. The actual acting out is usually brief, but feeling stressed out about it may last longer.” An INTP described the shame she associates with experiencing extreme feelings; she also described blaming others for not appreciating or loving her enough. Paramount is a sense of being misunderstood, with no way to correct the misunderstanding. Other ISTPs and INTPs report similar reactions.

Lengthy Episodes in the Grip


The types of episodes described above are experienced by the ISTP or INTP as temporary states during which they are vulnerable to the three forms in which their inferior function is expressed. However, when an Introverted Thinking type is chronically in the grip of inferior Extraverted Feeling, inferior function behavior may become habitual. Both the individual and others are likely to believe that angry, emotional accusations, somewhat outlandish and complicated explanations of others’ behavior, inefficiency, and poor use of logic are part of the natural makeup of the ISTP or INTP. Others may assume that the individual has always been hypersensitive, hypercritical, and overly emotional. Since the process of becoming chronically in the grip is often gradual, even people who have known the person in a non-stressed state are likely to be unaware of what, in retrospect, will be recognized as a radical alteration of personality.

The Introverted Thinking type will appear to be a rather exaggerated, poorly developed Extraverted Feeling type, as illustrated in several of the stories in the next section. However, there are also occasions when a lengthy period in the grip of inferior Extraverted Feeling can stimulate new awareness and positive growth toward completion and individuation. The last story is an example of what Jung meant when he described the inferior function as the doorway to the unconscious and an important part of the self-regulating capacity of our psyches.


Return of Equilibrium


As the preceding stories illustrate, equilibrium is often restored rather dramatically after an intense expression of emotion. However, when more short-lived experiences of the inferior are involved, Introverted Thinking types find that changing activities can aid the normalization process. What is most important for both ISTPs and INTPs is spending time alone, including exercising primarily alone. Introverted Thinking types need to be alone and physically separated from others, doing something they find enjoyable or relaxing.“I need alone time, to remove myself from the situation and to think about the problems, and then I need a close friend to help me analyze it,” said a young ISTP woman. Trying to identify the problem and wrestling with its solution are typical approaches for Introverted Thinking types, who find that reframing the cause of the distress is often helpful. “I need time to think through the issues,” said an INTP. “Others can help by affirming that my response is okay because the situation I’m in is unreasonable and stressful.They should not ask if I’m okay.”

Light problem solving that engages but doesn’t strain their Thinking, such as reading a mystery novel, can be helpful. Both types agree that they require time by themselves, that others need to leave them alone, and that it is most unhelpful for others to try to help them in any way, to ask how they feel, or to try to minimize their distress. Often there is little that others can do. Internal acceptance and calm are what is needed most.

Others can help most by staying out of the way and forgiving the out-of-character
behavior.A trusted person’s physical presence is not intrusive, but psychological space should be respected. It is also helpful if someone close to them can gently encourage them to talk about their feelings after sufficient time has passed. However, many Introverted Thinking types report that the very worst thing someone can do is ask them how they feel about things.

ISTPs’ auxiliary Sensing can be helpful in encouraging them to perform a reality check on the stressful situation. This occurred when Carl, the ISTP businessman, discovered that his doctor recognized his distress This made his situation real and forced him to deal with it. Some INTPs can calm themselves down by playing unusual games of solitaire that don’t depend on luck for success. Such games engage their auxiliary Intuition. The repetitive handling of the cards (tertiary Sensing) also has a calming effect. One INTP said that it helps to get engaged in a project he enjoys, and others describe engaging in distracting, absorbing forms of recreation.

Being excused from usual responsibilities and having someone else deal with the outer world helps Introverted Thinking types achieve equilibrium. Like many other types, ISTPs and INTPs find physical activity of some kind, especially hiking, to be a good way to detach themselves from a grip state.

Summary


In the grip of inferior Extraverted Feeling, Introverted Thinking types have difficulty functioning at their typical level of cognitive acuity, are hypersensitive to relationship issues, and can be touchy and emotional. Equilibrium is often reestablished via their auxiliary Sensing or Intuition. ISTPs acknowledge one or more important realities bearing on their situation; INTPs find a new idea or perspective that interrupts and modifies their exaggerated sensitivity or emotionalism.

As a result of important inferior function experiences, Introverted Thinking types can acknowledge the importance of the “illogical and unexplainable” and accept their vulnerability to their own and others’ emotional states.They may then have access to and be able to express the depth of their feelings for others.
 

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There is no such thing as an ambivert. You're either an ENTP or an INTP, not both. Don't try to alter the existing categories until you fully understand them first.

Can you point to any respectable source for that?

You confidently assert that "there is no such thing as an ambivert." Well, first of all, it can be important to distinguish between theoretical assertions and factual assertions. Somebody might say they subscribe to a personality typology that theorizes that people have opposing preferences on four scales and there's no middle possibility, while acknowledging, at the same time, that there's no respectable body of studies that purports to establish, as a factual matter, that a person can't be in the middle. And somebody else might assert — as you seem to be doing — that as a factual matter, it's impossible to be in the middle with respect to one or more of the MBTI's dimensions.

Starting at the theoretical end, and for what it's worth, Jung viewed his eight types as four varieties of extravert and four varieties of introvert, while also declaring that more people were essentially in the middle on E/I than were significantly extraverted or introverted — and characterizing those ambiverts as "the normal man." And Jung also stressed that people of the same type varied considerably in terms of the strength (or, as he often characterized it, "one-sidedness") of their preferences. Myers likewise distinguished between people with mild and strong preferences, and allowed for the possibility of middleness on all four MBTI dimensions. So the idea of middleness on one or more dimensions goes all the way back to the MBTI's theoretical roots.

The official MBTI test is designed on the operational assumption that people have four preferences, and assigns people a (tentative) type on each dimension. But that's a very different thing from saying that the MBTI theory says that it isn't possible for someone to be in the middle on any dimension — and in fact, the MBTI Manual specifically notes that someone with a score near the middle is someone who has essentially "split the vote" rather than offered much evidence of a preference. And the more recent "Step II" version of the MBTI has five subscales for each dimension, and it's possible to come out on the E side (for example) of some of them and the I side of the rest.

And as I understand it, there's now quite a lot of accumulated data that suggests that most or all of the MBTI dichotomies (and the Big Five dimensions they correlate with) exhibit something along the lines of a normal distribution, with the majority of people in or not that far from the middle.

So... two final questions for you:

  • Are you under the impression that it's somehow been established, as a factual matter, that it's impossible for someone to be in the middle on any of the MBTI dimensions? If so, again, can you point us to any sources?

  • If, on the other hand, you don't think the impossibility of middleness has been factually established — and if you agree (as I hope you would) that the point of theories, generally speaking, is to account for the facts as well as possible — why would you want to theoretically exclude the in-the-middle possibility at this point?
 

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Can you point to any respectable source for that?

You confidently assert that "there is no such thing as an ambivert." Well, first of all, it can be important to distinguish between theoretical assertions and factual assertions. Somebody might say they subscribe to a personality typology that theorizes that people have opposing preferences on four scales and there's no middle possibility, while acknowledging, at the same time, that there's no respectable body of studies that purports to establish, as a factual matter, that a person can't be in the middle. And somebody else might assert — as you seem to be doing — that as a factual matter, it's impossible to be in the middle with respect to one or more of the MBTI's dimensions.

Starting at the theoretical end, and for what it's worth, Jung viewed his eight types as four varieties of extravert and four varieties of introvert, while also declaring that more people were essentially in the middle on E/I than were significantly extraverted or introverted — and characterizing those ambiverts as "the normal man." And Jung also stressed that people of the same type varied considerably in terms of the strength (or, as he often characterized it, "one-sidedness") of their preferences. Myers likewise distinguished between people with mild and strong preferences, and allowed for the possibility of middleness on all four MBTI dimensions. So the idea of middleness on one or more dimensions goes all the way back to the MBTI's theoretical roots.

The official MBTI test is designed on the operational assumption that people have four preferences, and assigns people a (tentative) type on each dimension. But that's a very different thing from saying that the MBTI theory says that it isn't possible for someone to be in the middle on any dimension — and in fact, the MBTI Manual specifically notes that someone with a score near the middle is someone who has essentially "split the vote" rather than offered much evidence of a preference. And the more recent "Step II" version of the MBTI has five subscales for each dimension, and it's possible to come out on the E side (for example) of some of them and the I side of the rest.

And as I understand it, there's now quite a lot of accumulated data that suggests that most or all of the MBTI dichotomies (and the Big Five dimensions they correlate with) exhibit something along the lines of a normal distribution, with the majority of people in or not that far from the middle.

So... two final questions for you:

  • Are you under the impression that it's somehow been established, as a factual matter, that it's impossible for someone to be in the middle on any of the MBTI dimensions? If so, again, can you point us to any sources?

  • If, on the other hand, you don't think the impossibility of middleness has been factually established — and if you agree (as I hope you would) that the point of theories, generally speaking, is to account for the facts as well as possible — why would you want to theoretically exclude the in-the-middle possibility at this point?

Question 1:
Jung did say that most people are "in the middle" with I/E, but that doesn't mean he ever believed they are perfectly equally split. Show me the passage where he says precisely that. You can't, b/c what he actually said was that one preference tends to predominate. In any case, this is a moot point b/c the OP indicated he got consistent INTP results on the test.

As far as the MBTI is concerned, normal distribution notwithstanding, there is no reason to believe that it is a "fact" that people are actually "equally split" if their I/E scores are very close. That may just have been their test result, and the test is not perfect by any measure. There are many reasons why they could have "split the vote" and this does not mean that their psyche is actually equally split between two preferences. Please provide evidence that definitely shows that the MBTI is perfectly reflective of an individual's psyche in this sense.

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Why would I want to negate the possibility of "middleness?" B/c from what I've read by type dynamics authors, there is no such thing. I don't care if the test data indicates that someone is perfectly split between I and E or any of the other dimensions. To me that could indicate a number of things: the inferior is particularly influential in that person at that point in time, they don't know themselves well enough, they're in an environment that causes them to act more or less introverted than they would naturally prefer...There are many reasons. The test is just a starting point reckful. You're never going to convince me that it's better than the theory. You and I will always disagree on that point.

You have elevated the MBTI to the highest levels of importance. You believe in it very strongly, and you have lots of empirical data you can point to to support your beliefs. That said, you're no psychoanalyst. You're an armchair philosopher like the rest of us. Something to keep in mind is that in psychotherapy, which is the original purpose for which Jung came up with these ideas, for a long time, analysts didn't have the MBTI. They used the theory to better understand patients, so really there's no basis for limiting yourself exclusively to the MBTI and trashing type dynamics as you're fond of doing. They are both tools, but personally, I find type dynamics to be much more personally revealing (if more "fuzzy") than the MBTI, which only offers type descriptions as opposed to psychological mechanisms.
 

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Question 1:
Jung did say that most people are "in the middle" with I/E, but that doesn't mean he ever believed they are perfectly equally split. Show me the passage where he says precisely that. You can't, b/c what he actually said was that one preference tends to predominate. In any case, this is a moot point b/c the OP indicated he got consistent INTP results on the test.

As far as the MBTI is concerned, normal distribution notwithstanding, there is no reason to believe that it is a "fact" that people are actually "equally split" if their I/E scores are very close. That may just have been their test result, and the test is not perfect by any measure. There are many reasons why they could have "split the vote" and this does not mean that their psyche is actually equally split between two preferences. Please provide evidence that definitely shows that the MBTI is perfectly reflective of an individual's psyche in this sense.

Question 2:
Why would I want to negate the possibility of "middleness?" B/c from what I've read by type dynamics authors, there is no such thing. I don't care if the test data indicates that someone is perfectly split between I and E or any of the other dimensions. To me that could indicate a number of things: the inferior is particularly influential in that person at that point in time, they don't know themselves well enough, they're in an environment that causes them to act more or less introverted than they would naturally prefer...There are many reasons. The test is just a starting point reckful. You're never going to convince me that it's better than the theory. You and I will always disagree on that point.

You have elevated the MBTI to the highest levels of importance. You believe in it very strongly, and you have lots of empirical data you can point to to support your beliefs. That said, you're no psychoanalyst. You're an armchair philosopher like the rest of us. Something to keep in mind is that in psychotherapy, which is the original purpose for which Jung came up with these ideas, for a long time, analysts didn't have the MBTI. They used the theory to better understand patients, so really there's no basis for limiting yourself exclusively to the MBTI and trashing type dynamics as you're fond of doing. They are both tools, but personally, I find type dynamics to be much more personally revealing (if more "fuzzy") than the MBTI, which only offers type descriptions as opposed to psychological mechanisms.

Well, that was kind of a feeble post. Maybe take a little more time on the next one and respond to what I actually said. It's not a race.

"Please provide evidence that definitely shows that the MBTI is perfectly reflective of an individual's psyche in this sense"—?? Why would I provide evidence for something that isn't remotely close to what I believe?

Just for starters, I haven't claimed that someone "definitely" can or can't be exactly in the middle. I'm an agnostic on that issue, and as my post explained, my agnosticism is the perspective that's consistent with both Jung and Myers (from a theoretical standpoint) and the state of the data — including the fact that existing tests can't respectably claim (IMHO) that they're "perfectly reflecting" the strength (or direction) of anybody's preferences.

You're the one confidently asserting that you somehow just know that ambiversion is impossible. So the burden's on you to explain where that confidence comes from — or you can just admit it's something you've pulled out of somewhere that's arguably something less than a respectable source.

You say you "want to negate the possibility of 'middleness'" because "from what I've read by type dynamics authors, there is no such thing." Can you kindly provide us with relevant quotes from two or three of these "type dynamics authors" who you're inclined to treat as authorities on this issue?

And meanwhile, as far as what Jung said goes: in 1923 — two years after Psychological Types was published — Jung gave a lecture (separately published in 1925) that's included in the Collected Works edition of Psychological Types. After first introducing the audience to the "extraverted" and "introverted" types, Jung said this:

Jung said:
There is, finally, a third group, and here it is hard to say whether the motivation comes chiefly from within or without. This group is the most numerous and includes the less differentiated normal man, who is considered normal either because he allows himself no excesses or because he has no need of them. The normal man is, by definition, influenced as much from within as from without. He constitutes the extensive middle group.
 

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Jung also believed type could change over time IIRC. Wood sauce but I'm at work.
 

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Well, that was kind of a feeble post. Maybe take a little more time on the next one and respond to what I actually said. It's not a race.

I guess you don't read too well. Either that, or my post got to you in some way. Don't start debates you can't hope to win.

"Please provide evidence that definitely shows that the MBTI is perfectly reflective of an individual's psyche in this sense"—?? Why would I provide evidence for something that isn't remotely close to what I believe?

Well that's a relief.

Just for starters, I haven't claimed that someone "definitely" can or can't be exactly in the middle. I'm an agnostic on that issue, and as my post explained, my agnosticism is the perspective that's consistent with both Jung and Myers (from a theoretical standpoint) and the state of the data — including the fact that existing tests can't respectably claim (IMHO) that they're "perfectly reflecting" the strength (or direction) of anybody's preferences.

Ok, you're an agnostic about the ambiversion. That's definitely not consistent w/Jung, Myers, and other type dynamics authors. Please try harder.

You're the one confidently asserting that you somehow just know that ambiversion is impossible. So the burden's on you to explain where that confidence comes from — or you can just admit it's something you've pulled out of somewhere that's arguably something less than a respectable source.

Well considering Jung himself phrased it as such:

In reality, however these basic functions are seldom or never uniformly differentiated or equally at our disposal. As a rule, one or the other function occupies the foreground, while the rest remain undifferentiated in the background.

I'm more than happy to find more little passages for you just like this. Jung's main idea is that people are separated into distinct types, not mixtures of two different types.

You say you "want to negate the possibility of 'middleness'" because "from what I've read by type dynamics authors, there is no such thing." Can you kindly provide us with relevant quotes from two or three of these "type dynamics authors" who you're inclined to treat as authorities on this issue?

Actually reckful, the burden is on you to prove to me (b/c remember you started this, so it's up to you to invest the time to quote it to me) that other type dynamics authors believe that there exists a third group of people that are equally I and E, and that it is in fact possible to really and truly be both. I've read Von Franz, Hillman, Keirsey, Quenk, Van der Hoop, Jung, Myers...I've never read anything of the sort. It's a preposterous idea that goes against everything that's been written in the field.

And meanwhile, as far as what Jung said goes: in 1923 — two years after Psychological Types was published — Jung gave a lecture (separately published in 1925) that's included in the Collected Works edition of Psychological Types. After first introducing the audience to the "extraverted" and "introverted" types, Jung said this:

You can find tiny little sentences interspersed in Psychological Types and other texts that might indicate that these authors think that some people really are a perfect mix of two different types, but if you look at these works in the aggregate, the so-called "ambiverted" type is never directly addressed, b/c it's not actually a type distinct from any of the others. Counterfactual: Were this a separate type, we would have seen a section in PT or subsequent books documenting the Ti/Ne type (mix of INTP and ENTP) for example. We would have had 32 types instead of 16.

Also I see you've had this debate with many others in the past. (http://personalitycafe.com/cognitive-functions/455450-what-way-ne-extraverted-12.html) You've always lost b/c in the end, you're just picking one paragraph out of an entire book, and then saying "Hey guys, look you're wrong. I found this one paragraph that proves Jung actually thought there were 3 types and not just two." Please. It's the definition of hair-splitting pedantry.

Lastly, you need to pay close attention to a single word in that paragraph you quoted: "normal." This is once again something you apparently fail to take into account when reading PT: Jung was dealing primarily with sick people. If you look at the preceding paragraphs in that section, Jung talks about extremely differentiated introverts and extraverts ie those that are pathological. He distinguishes those sick puppies (extreme introverts and extreme extroverts) from the rest of humanity which is relatively "normal." Does that mean that the normal group is totally undifferentiated and "in the middle?" Of course not. It's laughable you believe this. It just means that the normal ones are not pathologically differentiated. Every single human being, according to Jung belongs to one type or another ie one type predominates. That guy PaladinX and The Incadescent Abyss in that PerC post had the right ideas...you apparently don't...

I'll leave you with this quote:
I have often been asked, almost accusingly, why I speak of four functions and not of more or fewer. That there are exactly four was a result I arrived at on purely empirical grounds. But as the following consideration will show, these four together produce a kind of totality...I would not for anything dispense with this compass on my psychological voyages of discovery....I value the type theory for the objective reason that it provides a system of comparison and orientation which makes possible something that has long been lacking, a critical psychology.

In other words, blending different types together doesn't serve anyone's best interests b/c it defeats the whole point of the exercise, and the main thesis is that everyone is either N or S or T or F. If you want to live in la-la land and stick to that one paragraph you quoted, go ahead, but you haven't convinced anyone.
 

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I guess you don't read too well. Either that, or my post got to you in some way. Don't start debates you can't hope to win.



Well that's a relief.



Ok, you're an agnostic about the ambiversion. That's definitely not consistent w/Jung, Myers, and other type dynamics authors. Please try harder.



Well considering Jung himself phrased it as such:



I'm more than happy to find more little passages for you just like this. Jung's main idea is that people are separated into distinct types, not mixtures of two different types.



Actually reckful, the burden is on you to prove to me (b/c remember you started this, so it's up to you to invest the time to quote it to me) that other type dynamics authors believe that there exists a third group of people that are equally I and E, and that it is in fact possible to really and truly be both. I've read Von Franz, Hillman, Keirsey, Quenk, Van der Hoop, Jung, Myers...I've never read anything of the sort. It's a preposterous idea that goes against everything that's been written in the field.



You can find tiny little sentences interspersed in Psychological Types and other texts that might indicate that these authors think that some people really are a perfect mix of two different types, but if you look at these works in the aggregate, the so-called "ambiverted" type is never directly addressed, b/c it's not actually a type distinct from any of the others. Counterfactual: Were this a separate type, we would have seen a section in PT or subsequent books documenting the Ti/Ne type (mix of INTP and ENTP) for example. We would have had 32 types instead of 16.

Also I see you've had this debate with many others in the past. (http://personalitycafe.com/cognitive-functions/455450-what-way-ne-extraverted-12.html) You've always lost b/c in the end, you're just picking one paragraph out of an entire book, and then saying "Hey guys, look you're wrong. I found this one paragraph that proves Jung actually thought there were 3 types and not just two." Please. It's the definition of hair-splitting pedantry.

Lastly, you need to pay close attention to a single word in that paragraph you quoted: "normal." This is once again something you apparently fail to take into account when reading PT: Jung was dealing primarily with sick people. If you look at the preceding paragraphs in that section, Jung talks about extremely differentiated introverts and extraverts ie those that are pathological. He distinguishes those sick puppies (extreme introverts and extreme extroverts) from the rest of humanity which is relatively "normal." Does that mean that the normal group is totally undifferentiated and "in the middle?" Of course not. It's laughable you believe this. It just means that the normal ones are not pathologically differentiated. Every single human being, according to Jung belongs to one type or another ie one type predominates. That guy PaladinX and The Incadescent Abyss in that PerC post had the right ideas...you apparently don't...

I'll leave you with this quote:


In other words, blending different types together doesn't serve anyone's best interests b/c it defeats the whole point of the exercise, and the main thesis is that everyone is either N or S or T or F. If you want to live in la-la land and stick to that one paragraph you quoted, go ahead, but you haven't convinced anyone.

Actually, I've never "lost this debate" with anybody, Inquisitor, and that's because, as I've said...

  • Focusing at the theoretical level, (1) Jung said there were more people who were neither extraverts nor introverts than people who were either extraverted or introverted, (2) Myers allowed for the possibility of middleness on E/I, and (3) I don't know of any reasonably well-known modern MBTI theorist who's claimed — as you did in your first post — that "there is no such thing as an ambivert." In your second-to-last post, you said you "want to negate the possibility of middleness" because "from what I've read by type dynamics authors, there is no such thing" — and so I asked you to "kindly provide us with relevant quotes from two or three of these 'type dynamics authors' who you're inclined to treat as authorities on this issue." And ya know, it hasn't escaped my attention that you've so far failed to cite a single respectable "type dynamics author" for your proposition that "there is no such thing" as ambiversion.

  • Focusing at the factual level, I don't know of a single study, never mind anything like a respectably substantial body of studies, that has even attempted to establish anybody's theoretical position that it's impossible to be an ambivert — which, let's face it, is hardly surprising in light of the fact that (1) nobody respectable seems to be taking that theoretical position in the first place, and (2) given the limitations on our current ability to test preferences and preference strengths (not to mention potentially messy complications like multiple facets), how could anybody really purport to go about definitely disproving the possibility of ambiversion at this point?
So... it's pretty much just silly for you to be going around telling people who think they may be ambiverts that that's impossible, not to mention chiding them that the fact that they think it's possible shows that they don't "fully understand" the "existing categories."
 

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16*1.5 =/= 32

Their not being types is why Jung doesn't deal with normal ambiverts as types.
 

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Of course their is no middle,because their is no edge also.There is no complete introvert or extrovert.
Ambivert mean,in the middle range,even the same person is not in an exactly at certain point all the time.There is no point where you are introvert and the next point you are extravert,people are Ambivert because of that,their range pass in introvert and extrovert.This is no that or this as you say,we are talking about human not a test score.For fuck sake have some understanding of the knowledge you claim you have.

With that said I do doubt this is the case for the op,he may not understand his way of thinking well.
 

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Actually, I've never "lost this debate" with anybody, Inquisitor, and that's because, as I've said...

  • Focusing at the theoretical level, (1) Jung said there were more people who were neither extraverts nor introverts than people who were either extraverted or introverted, (2) Myers allowed for the possibility of middleness on E/I, and (3) I don't know of any reasonably well-known modern MBTI theorist who's claimed — as you did in your first post — that "there is no such thing as an ambivert." In your second-to-last post, you said you "want to negate the possibility of middleness" because "from what I've read by type dynamics authors, there is no such thing" — and so I asked you to "kindly provide us with relevant quotes from two or three of these 'type dynamics authors' who you're inclined to treat as authorities on this issue." And ya know, it hasn't escaped my attention that you've so far failed to cite a single respectable "type dynamics author" for your proposition that "there is no such thing" as ambiversion.

  • Focusing at the factual level, I don't know of a single study, never mind anything like a respectably substantial body of studies, that has even attempted to establish anybody's theoretical position that it's impossible to be an ambivert — which, let's face it, is hardly surprising in light of the fact that (1) nobody respectable seems to be taking that theoretical position in the first place, and (2) given the limitations on our current ability to test preferences and preference strengths (not to mention potentially messy complications like multiple facets), how could anybody really purport to go about definitely disproving the possibility of ambiversion at this point?
So... it's pretty much just silly for you to be going around telling people who think they may be ambiverts that that's impossible, not to mention chiding them that the fact that they think it's possible shows that they don't "fully understand" the "existing categories."

Your stance is bullshit and your arguments are pathetic. It amounts to nothing more than excessive pedantry and obsessiveness over external data. You lost before in that PerC discussion, and you've lost again now. You started this debate, and you have not cited a single shred of evidence indicating that any of these authors thought that ambiversion was possible, let alone common. You have to demonstrate that one of these "respectable theorists" thought there was such a thing as an I/ENTP. But you won't be able to, so "Cram it up your cramhole!"

1) You keep citing that one little paragraph. That's all you've got. Jung said that bit for clinical purposes only. Those that are pathologically introverted or extraverted far outnumber the normal, "sane" ones. This does not mean he thought the "normal" ones were a blended type. Just the opposite actually, judging from the rest of the book.

2) Getting a tie on I/E on the MBTI does not prove the existence of ambiverts. The test is limited as you pointed out.

3) No respectable theorist claims that ambiversion exists, only that people can "split the vote" on the test. It's not even a major issue or focus area. In fact, in her book, Lenore Thomson has a little personality test at the beginning, and she helps the reader interpret the results if they get a split on anything to help push them into a discrete type. MBTI practitioners are instructed in ways to deal with this split to make sure test takers end up either one or the other. Thomson's not the only "respectable" author who does this. So no, it's not silly for me to tell someone that they are not both INTP and ENTP, especially if that person is new to this whole business. It's guaranteed to be the case that the person prefers either introversion or extraversion, and in the OP's case, since he got consistent INTP, it's probably the former.

OP wanted to "alter existing categories." If you want to do that and see if you can develop a better type system, fine, go ahead. At least I can feel confident that you actually understand the existing categories. But the OP is new to this business, and I suggested he deepen his understanding of the existing categories first. He may or may not choose to do that, but frankly I could care less b/c it ain't my life we're talking about!
 

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Your stance is bullshit and your arguments are pathetic. It amounts to nothing more than excessive pedantry and obsessiveness over external data. You lost before in that PerC discussion, and you've lost again now. You started this debate, and you have not cited a single shred of evidence indicating that any of these authors thought that ambiversion was possible, let alone common. You have to demonstrate that one of these "respectable theorists" thought there was such a thing as an I/ENTP. But you won't be able to, so "Cram it up your cramhole!"

1) You keep citing that one little paragraph. That's all you've got. Jung said that bit for clinical purposes only. Those that are pathologically introverted or extraverted far outnumber the normal, "sane" ones. This does not mean he thought the "normal" ones were a blended type. Just the opposite actually, judging from the rest of the book.

2) Getting a tie on I/E on the MBTI does not prove the existence of ambiverts. The test is limited as you pointed out.

3) No respectable theorist claims that ambiversion exists, only that people can "split the vote" on the test. It's not even a major issue or focus area. In fact, in her book, Lenore Thomson has a little personality test at the beginning, and she helps the reader interpret the results if they get a split on anything to help push them into a discrete type. MBTI practitioners are instructed in ways to deal with this split to make sure test takers end up either one or the other. Thomson's not the only "respectable" author who does this. So no, it's not silly for me to tell someone that they are not both INTP and ENTP, especially if that person is new to this whole business. It's guaranteed to be the case that the person prefers either introversion or extraversion, and in the OP's case, since he got consistent INTP, it's probably the former.

OP wanted to "alter existing categories." If you want to do that and see if you can develop a better type system, fine, go ahead. At least I can feel confident that you actually understand the existing categories. But the OP is new to this business, and I suggested he deepen his understanding of the existing categories first. He may or may not choose to do that, but frankly I could care less b/c it ain't my life we're talking about!

Anyone who's read my posts knows that you've mostly left my points unaddressed, while addressing points I haven't made.

"One little paragraph," Inquisitor? For "clinical purposes," Inquisitor? Am I dealing with a reading comprehension problem here, or an integrity problem?

That "one little paragraph" is Carl Jung — in a summary introduction to his typology (also titled Psychological Types) that he published four years after publishing Psychological Types in 1921 — clearly and unambiguously explaining to his audience that, as he saw it, there were three kinds of people in the world: extraverts, introverts, and a "third group" of people who were, "by definition, influenced as much from within as from without." And he referred to that "extensive" third group as the "normal man" — "clinical purposes" my ass — and said that the third group was the largest of the three groups.

For the third time: you've said you "want to negate the possibility of middleness" because "from what I've read by type dynamics authors, there is no such thing." Who are these authors, Inquisitor, and where do they say that "there is no such thing" as ambiversion?

Jung left us with a personality typology that he framed as four varieties of extravert and four varieties of introvert, while at the same time taking the view that there were lots of people who were neither extraverts nor introverts — in other words, lots of people who he didn't think qualified as one of his "types."

And needless to say (I would hope), the fact that any other MBTI-related theorist (function-centric or otherwise) describes a set of preferences and/or types shouldn't be taken to imply that they think it's impossible for there to be people who don't have one or more of the preferences, or who don't neatly fit into one of their slots.

And meanwhile, as I already noted, Myers allowed for the possibility of middleness on all four dimensions, and the "Step II" version of the official MBTI theoretically posits that a person can be an extravert with respect to some E/I facets and an introvert with respect to other E/I facets.

And again, I know of no official MBTI source that takes the position that it's impossible to be an ambivert, nor am I aware of any reasonably well-regarded unofficial MBTI theorist who's taken that position. And it looks to me like you aren't aware of any either.

I didn't "start this debate," Inquisitor. You did. You told the OP that it wasn't possible that he was an ambivert, and that the fact that he was even considering that possibility meant that he misunderstood the MBTI.

And you're not going to win that debate if you can't cite any convincing support for the proposition that it's impossible to be an ambivert. And so far, you've given us bupkis.

I'm agnostic, as I've said. I'm not out to prove that it's definitely possible to be an ambivert or that it's definitely impossible. I'm just pointing out that the theoretical category of ambiversion goes all the way back to Jung, and that I don't think anybody today is even close to being in a position to be confidently telling anybody else that ambiverts don't exist.
 

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As it turns out, Inquisitor (professor and renowned researcher in neuroscience) has already established in another thread that Fe – the inferior of INTPs – is located in the left frontal cortex of the brain. So if you are ENTP, you will have Si in that part of the brain. Consult a facility that provides neuroimaging to find out whether you are INTP or ENTP.
 

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Anyone who's read my posts knows that you've mostly left my points unaddressed, while addressing points I haven't made.

"One little paragraph," Inquisitor? For "clinical purposes," Inquisitor? Am I dealing with a reading comprehension problem here, or an integrity problem?

That "one little paragraph" is Carl Jung — in a summary introduction to his typology (also titled Psychological Types) that he published four years after publishing Psychological Types in 1921 — clearly and unambiguously explaining to his audience that, as he saw it, there were three kinds of people in the world: extraverts, introverts, and a "third group" of people who were, "by definition, influenced as much from within as from without." And he referred to that "extensive" third group as the "normal man" — "clinical purposes" my ass — and said that the third group was the largest of the three groups.

For the third time: you've said you "want to negate the possibility of middleness" because "from what I've read by type dynamics authors, there is no such thing." Who are these authors, Inquisitor, and where do they say that "there is no such thing" as ambiversion?

Jung left us with a personality typology that he framed as four varieties of extravert and four varieties of introvert, while at the same time taking the view that there were lots of people who were neither extraverts nor introverts — in other words, lots of people who he didn't think qualified as one of his "types."

And needless to say (I would hope), the fact that any other MBTI-related theorist (function-centric or otherwise) describes a set of preferences and/or types shouldn't be taken to imply that they think it's impossible for there to be people who don't have one or more of the preferences, or who don't neatly fit into one of their slots.

And meanwhile, as I already noted, Myers allowed for the possibility of middleness on all four dimensions, and the "Step II" version of the official MBTI theoretically posits that a person can be an extravert with respect to some E/I facets and an introvert with respect to other E/I facets.

And again, I know of no official MBTI source that takes the position that it's impossible to be an ambivert, nor am I aware of any reasonably well-regarded unofficial MBTI theorist who's taken that position. And it looks to me like you aren't aware of any either.

I didn't "start this debate," Inquisitor. You did. You told the OP that it wasn't possible that he was an ambivert, and that the fact that he was even considering that possibility meant that he misunderstood the MBTI.

And you're not going to win that debate if you can't cite any convincing support for the proposition that it's impossible to be an ambivert. And so far, you've given us bupkes.

I'm agnostic, as I've said. I'm not out to prove that it's definitely possible to be an ambivert or that it's definitely impossible. I'm just pointing out that the theoretical category of ambiversion goes all the way back to Jung, and that I don't think anybody today is even close to being in a position to be confidently telling anybody else that ambiverts don't exist.

Blah, blah, blah. Same old shit. You haven't come up with any evidence to show that type theorists anywhere believe ambiversion is a distinct category. Hence, with a lack of theoretical evidence anywhere for this possibility, the only conclusion is to assume it is in fact impossible. You found one paragraph written by Carl Jung to support your view. I dealt with that paragraph, explained why you misinterpreted it, proved you wrong as usual. Stay agnostic. The day neuroimaging advances sufficiently, we'll see what's what.
 

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The person is not a point in scrollbar he is a range,the gray rectangle.
There is no middle point,because there is no point to begin with,a person is in a certain range not point.
There is no magical point where you suddenly became an extrovert,like there is no point where you become old.Why is that?because "old" and "young" is just an arbitrary division we made up,the same for introvert and extrovert.
Clinical reasons?what?he obviously did say there are Ambiverts,what difference does it make if it for clinical reasons?(which are?)
 
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