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Frutti

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Hi there everyone! This is my first post on the forum so please forgive errors I might make (but point them out if you wish). Also, I'm not a native english speaker. As you might have guessed I identify myself as INTP.

Now on to the subject of the post. I like abstract/modern/contemporary art. Do you? What I have noticed is the following: when viewing an abstract painting most people feel the need to analyze it, to find some type of logical meaning or at least classify it in some way. Sometimes the latter seems to be more important than anything else.

When I on the other hand view such painting (or other similar art) I just open up, almost not thinking consciously, and let myself react to it with emotions.

The point is. In this case I am almost purely emotional and others almost purely analyzing while as you know the opposite is more often the case in the rest of the life of someone with a INTP personality. Why do we switch places here?
 

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I have fallen for more abstract art recently. But after much reflection within myself (typical...) I think it is because abstract art is entirely about the artist's vision. Something like a landscape is easy to paint beautifully because it is already beautiful. My husband suggested I paint a landscape recently but I would have none of it because it was too boring. But colors and shapes take a lot of creativity and imagination to wrangle into a pleasing composition so now I'm impressed with good abstract art. So basically for me, appreciating abstract art is about appreciating the process, another INTP thing.

Sorry, it doesn't really answer your question but it's something I've been thinking about lately so I thought I'd pitch in. :)
 

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I like a lot of abstract art, as long as its aim is to create beauty through an artful arrangement of color and form. There are numerous examples of beautiful non-objective art in Western art of the 20th century. There is also a lot of ugly crap, but that applies to naturalistic art as well.

I consider visual art an INTP thing because I see it as trying to analyze a motif and solve a visual problem with a very clear goal. It is not an emotional thing to me at all. I intensely dislike most contemporary conceptual art, which I do not consider art. It is mostly what you see in museums, contemporary galleries, and in academia.
 

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Hi there everyone! This is my first post on the forum so please forgive errors I might make (but point them out if you wish). Also, I'm not a native english speaker. As you might have guessed I identify myself as INTP.
Welcome to the forums.
Now on to the subject of the post. I like abstract/modern/contemporary art. Do you? What I have noticed is the following: when viewing an abstract painting most people feel the need to analyze it, to find some type of logical meaning or at least classify it in some way. Sometimes the latter seems to be more important than anything else.
I don't know what most people think or feel. There are more than 7,000,000,000 people on the planet and I have only met a tiny fraction of that number of them.
When I on the other hand view such painting (or other similar art) I just open up, almost not thinking consciously, and let myself react to it with emotions.
I believe that this is not an uncommon reaction to art. It is not my reaction.
The point is. In this case I am almost purely emotional and others almost purely analyzing while as you know the opposite is more often the case in the rest of the life of someone with a INTP personality. Why do we switch places here?
We are all connected to our thoughts, our feelings, our senses, our intuitions, our perceptions, our judgments, ourselves, one another, etc.

I am not surprised in the least that other people respond to things differently than I do, and I am not surprised that other people respond to things differently than you do.

I don't know how common it is for people to "switch places" between their general experiences and their experiences of art (abstract or otherwise). I haven't met enough people to know.

But, for you, perhaps this kind of art is an opportunity to be connected to you own unconscious. If this is so, I would think it would be very valuable for you.

Dave
 

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I love abstract art simply for that fact that I cant replicate it or produce it. I'm not that in tune with my feeling to just let everything go and paint. I feel because abstract are represents emotions that we don't feel or noticeably feel on a regular basis we start to subconsciously resonant with it and take it for the emotional representation its is. I often favor things that inflict emotions (music, art, etc.) so I can kind of get to know my feeling and "exercise" them.
 

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In this case I am almost purely emotional and others almost purely analyzing while as you know the opposite is more often the case in the rest of the life of someone with a INTP personality. Why do we switch places here?

I wish I could answer this question. I am also an INTP and behave completely the same way. I took an Art History class in college out of necessity, but ended up liking it more than most in the class, even art majors. Music (I prefer indie rock) has a similar cathartic effect on me, moreso than others, who are emotionally effected by a corny love story or some blase event day to day life.

But if I had to make a purely speculative guess, maybe it would be our utter inability to analyze art that moves us - it shows up how we are not quite as smart as we thought, shaking the foundation of who we are, making us feel powerless. Meanwhile, others are more used to not being able to analyze complex things, and dismiss abstract art, as they tend to do other many things, without analyzing.
 

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Over analysis in contemporary art, such as a definitive explanation of some particular art object beats said art object on the scale of importance these days. Consequently this piece of art becomes just a second rate illustration to a third rate piece of writing or verbalizing, which one one does prefer. It is not just a code for a brain to crack. Allowing individual's perceptive part more freedom when contemplating art is only right, because otherwise art fails its purpose. Art suppose to be something that gets you, gets through to you, now days this is something you get with the view to get more for it in a form of the return in the truckload of monetary units. Interesting how it flipped sides, historically art used to be something to put in churches to affect (among others also the great unwashed) and explain not in words, because many were illiterate, but through immediate perception to anyone the scripture, divine power, bring the distinction to the place. Now trite useless explanations substitute art or perhaps just a bad art.

I am not a fan of conceptual art, video art and similar, for the reason it usually bores me to the dangerous levels of exhaustion.
I remember one that I liked though. It perhaps was some crossover art breed between conceptual art and sculpture... I would also describe it essentially as a 3d abstract work. It was displayed in a way of the installation, don't remember the title, gallery (I've seen it on internet), or the artist, just what it was. In the gallery room, there was quite an amount of dark rocks displayed. I think people could just walk among them. They were put on some platforms, so rocks were approximately on the eye level. Eyes go wandering from one rock cluster to another, you yourself wondering what it is all about, until you notice one rock with a small white cross on the top of it. The interesting thing, rocks would be just that, rocks if not for a minimal touch that brought sense of scenery and a scale to the whole display, and all this achieved so effortlessly. I experienced a sense of wonder of sorts, how such a minute detail has a power to change whole scene for you in a blink. The transformation of the scene into a landscape with a sense of scale achieved so beautifully, through the gradual perusal of the work to a sudden realization and only then instant absorption of it. It hits me all the time I remember it.
I don't really believe there is such thing as abstract art, literally speaking. Art is only as good as it is able to affect a viewer. Such an impact is possible through associations. Anything outside associations people perceive as meaningless. Human brain always strives to make a connection, bring meaning to 'a picture', order to chaos and so on. It is just a question where the line is drawn, how much is left vague. As with the rocks, where the cross was a clue, any kind of clue for an observer.
From abstract paintings I quite like Keith Tyson's nature paintings. There can be found plenty 'nature' associations.

Edit: I thought I overlooked something, thanks to long typing. To answer the following question
In this case I am almost purely emotional and others almost purely analyzing while as you know the opposite is more often the case in the rest of the life of someone with a INTP personality. Why do we switch places here?

I've just thought about music subforum on this site, you can find quite diverse number of approaches there, although I doubt even INTP's dryly analyze their way into appreciating music they like. Another thing, famous representetive of INTP type, if he really is, Einstein took to Mozart's music in his teens, because he was suddenly bowled over by its beauty. I believe perception of beautiful comes from few different places, like intellect, comprehension, feelling meaning deep undersanding, but profoundly so, akin to spiritual recognition, yet not emotions. Emotions are like afterthought, maybe, ripples , or waves on the surface of the ocean.
 
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