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CS, IT, engineering, hacking, you name it, if you're into programming computers put a vote in.

EDIT: I meant the poll to be a public poll, and I know that I set it up that way, but it didn't take for some reason. Does anybody know how to change that?

Meanwhile, post your intentions on the thread.
 

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I plan on attending a CS program this winter, I am doing a 10 week web design course at the moment though, which I guess could fit in there.
 

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I currently expand along CS, I plan on launching my own projects and ideas in the initially small enviroments.
 

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I enrolled for a three year IT degree at a respectable uni, starting in about 10 days. Looking forward to using your insight.
 

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I'd like to make a video game. If that involves programming I might just learn some. Although it is more likely I would simply write and direct this story based RPG.
The aesthetic I have imagined is analogous to lo-fi. Think early Pokemon, Fez.

I am not inclined to this sort of knowledge though.
How much can one do with a little bit of knowledge?

I might just resort to having a character walk along a static picture of wallpaper as the map floor/ground. Different wallpapers for different things. It would be quite a jarring effect if the pokemon red/gold protagonist was walking along a photograph of wallpaper. Maybe some pokemon type areas and some super Mario types areas

I could build the levels in real life, and then just set the ligthing and film or take photographs of it.

Sort of topic.

But how much practice/dedication would the sort of thing I am talking about take?

Possible I could build a single model of like a gameboy color/ Super Nintendo type thing with parts from those and maybe some computers.

Actually I could never do this, i would need alot of help with the coding part.

I might have confused the hardware component and the programming.
 

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Plan for today: careers fair at university. 50 companies are coming. Shortlisted 20 for grilling on quite good questions I wrote down in case I forget. Also, shitload of CVs for anyone willing to grab one from me. Full-scale networking and socialising for three hours..

Plan for longer term: starting a project on Android with 4 other students, one very experienced in Android so he will help us tremendously. 7 weeks to make something that works, is useful and is nice.

Plan for next four years: I have ideas in combining sciences with programming. I don't want to be 24/7 code monkey. I don't want to specialize heavily because I don't like that. I want to be programmer among scientists, helping them with hard problems. If that means lower wages than working on stupid crap like Office in MS, so be it.
 

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I hate programming, but I have am stuck in Computer science engineering. I hate everything anyway. So it does not matter.
 

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I'm an aspiring Android developer, getting pretty close to competent enough to look for a job. It's fun and interesting, but also very frustrating at times, when things don't work the way you think they should.
 

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I'm making slow progress, with frequent breaks due to procrastination, learning programming in python though online resources.

I'm going to university to learn CS this year.
 

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I really don't understand the appeal. Please explain...

No, really. What's the draw? I like problem solving. I like computers. I like creating things. I'm a designer. I'm highly intelligent. I'm highly creative. I'm INTP. Why don't I have even the slightest interest in programming? It seems to be an obsession for a large number of users on this forum. I just can't seem to wrap my head around why. Can anybody explain?
 

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I really don't understand the appeal. Please explain...

No, really. What's the draw? I like problem solving. I like computers. I like creating things. I'm a designer. I'm highly intelligent. I'm highly creative. I'm INTP. Why don't I have even the slightest interest in programming? It seems to be an obsession for a large number of users on this forum. I just can't seem to wrap my head around why. Can anybody explain?

For me, the desire wasn't there until I had a purpose for learning programming.

It's like learning a language. Learning a language while being immersed in a culture where you have to use the language every day, is much easier than learning it in isolation. The immersion gives you purpose.

If you have no reason for learning, why would it be interesting?

If you are curious, try to find a problem that you can use programming to solve;
A website, a game, a program to calculate your finances, a "better" design program, whatever.

The more I use programming, the more interesting it becomes for it's own sake, but I still definitely need a "problem" to solve. I don't know if that will change.
 

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I started programming in the 80's (worked on the college site writing in Fortran 77 at the time), and have learned smatterings of coding over the years.

Taught myself ASP, vbscript and javascript in the 90's (along with markup languages), and even "officially" got paid for coding (in VB.NET, SQL stored procedures, etc) in the 2000's along with my normal work in tech writing. But I haven't coded for awhile now, it's not my first love.

Moments of glory:
- Troubleshooting a problem successfully (a-HA! moments)
- Getting the code to work correctly to accomplish my goal
- Good paychecks

Moments of goddamnd heart-breaking frustration:
- Having a problem that shouldn't exist but does and I can't figure it out
- Trying to fix a problem for two weeks, then realizing it happened because some other programmer changed something in a referenced module without telling anyone
- All the dependence on details
 

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I really don't understand the appeal. Please explain...

No, really. What's the draw? I like problem solving. I like computers. I like creating things. I'm a designer. I'm highly intelligent. I'm highly creative. I'm INTP. Why don't I have even the slightest interest in programming? It seems to be an obsession for a large number of users on this forum. I just can't seem to wrap my head around why. Can anybody explain?

Playing god of their own world for a brief moment. ;)
(Psychology no-no...)
 

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Love computers, hate programming.

I'm not sure why only coding is mentioned whenever there is a discussion of IT / computers. Isn't anyone interested in network / systems administration, 3D modeling, hardware design / development, e-business management etc?
 

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nothing to do now but go into programming

systems design o course
 

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I've started strongly considering programming. It seems to be all the rage among INTPs. I'd never considered myself a "maths" type though, but I've had fun playing around with html. Any advice for an INTP considering programming from fellow INTP programmers?
 

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College student with no programming experience considering majoring in CS.

Some old threads about starting a career in programming:
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=17862
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=12991

My experience in intro programming was that it's a bit like learning a new and grammatically anal-retentive language. If you can work a logic problem in your head or on paper, then it's a matter of rewriting it in syntax the computer can understand.

HTML / CSS experience helps, and if you can javascript then you basically already know how to program. There are plenty of good free resources out there - I learned with codeacademy.com and codingbat.com, though I've also heard that Python is a good entry point. Intro programming classes from universities can sometimes be found on Coursera or Udacity - I prefer formal structured courses because they teach coding conventions and best practices. TopCoder and Project Euler also have some challenging programming problems to think about.

From there I've heard to get on GitHub and contribute to projects in order to get experience and build a portfolio as well as credibility. I'm not quite there yet as I don't think I know enough - I'll take another couple of semesters building stuff for class before I try this - but it seems a good way to go if you're not college-affiliated.

Socially it's been incredibly intimidating for me, because everyone else seems to have been coding since they were 8 and have so much passion, drive and commitment for all things technological. I know jack about hardware or mobile app development, so it can be intimidating when the study group talks about nothing but their gadgets or their plans for the next hackathon. The tech culture is probably important for a cs student, though, so I'll see if I can't pick up a thing or two over school break.

I don't think maths is necessary to learn to program, though problem-solving skills and thinking in algorithms helps a lot. Also, a formal CS degree - which involves a lot more than just learning to code - will probably require at least some university-level maths.

If any experienced programmers are reading this: I too would love to hear about your experiences, and appreciate advice if you have any.
 

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I have a love-hate relationship with programming. I really have no choice but to use it in my career path, but the logic of it just does not mesh well with me. I'm kind of surprised so many INTPs love it so much. I don't THINK like a programmer, so it takes a lot of effort on my part to think in the "left-brained" mindset required to program. I used to think it was fun because I was learning something new, but now it's just stressful.

Maybe that's just because I'm pretty right-brained. With math, I can use the right side of my brain to solve a problem (don't ask how) but with programming there's just no getting around the step-by-step way of going about things.

But sometimes it's fun. Mainly it's fun when I can finish, sit back, and admire the awesome program I just wrote.
 

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I program some engineering simulations for my job, but it's pretty light. Not like software development or anything. Oh, and I "program" PLCs (programmable logic controllers) too, but I know that many people don't consider that "real" programming.
 

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Socially it's been incredibly intimidating for me, because everyone else seems to have been coding since they were 8 and have so much passion, drive and commitment for all things technological. I know jack about hardware or mobile app development, so it can be intimidating when the study group talks about nothing but their gadgets or their plans for the next hackathon. The tech culture is probably important for a cs student, though, so I'll see if I can't pick up a thing or two over school break.
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I think I might suffer from the same problem. Are there any jobs that the non-techie INTP can be satisfied with? Or can non-techie INTPs still be successful programmers?
 

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I decided I'd try to understand the appeal and give programming a shot. I think I might be hooked. Damn you, INTP Forum.
 

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I decided I'd try to understand the appeal and give programming a shot. I think I might be hooked. Damn you, INTP Forum.

I've read how disinterested you were in programming. May I ask why you've changed your mind?
 

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I've read how disinterested you were in programming. May I ask why you've changed your mind?

I'm always open to learning new skills.

I don't like to be close minded. The things I don't understand are the ones that I'm first to dig in and try to comprehend. You didn't read that I'm disinterested in programming. Rather, I wrote about my not understanding what compels people to program.

Since writing that post a couple months ago, I've let it mull over in my mind and I've been trying to get my head around it. I developed a few theories/ideas regarding why people are so interested in it and I tried to get into it from these mindsets. Once I started looking at it differently, it became a lot more interesting.

It would also be an interesting thing to add to my skill set as a designer.

The hardest thing I think is finding a starting point. I've just been running through the content on Codecademy to start with. I've looked into Coursera, but I think I'll just take it easy for now and try not to get myself in too deep, else I may lose interest. I'm thinking I'll build a proper website soon. The place I work needs one, but are too stingy to do it. That's an opportunity for a good start I think.

So far, its easier to learn than some of the other stuff I've learned to do - Building Information Modelling (BIM), for instance. I think that observation might become obsolete soon, though...
 

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Tried taking an online course which culminated in me programming a pop-up window that reads: "Sorry, Hooker!!!"

Other than that, it made me very unhappy due to all the tedium involved to get to that point.
 

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It is certainly something I'm interested in, but I can't seem to find where to start. I would like to start studying computer language, but I don't know which one and how/where to start. :confused:
 

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It is certainly something I'm interested in, but I can't seem to find where to start. I would like to start studying computer language, but I don't know which one and how/where to start. :confused:

I would suggest you ask Architect.

As from my side, I would say Python is a fairly good language to start with.

There are many on-line resources for beginner-programmers, Google and ye shall find.
 

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I am more into writing, science and the humanities. But there was a time i coded. During my 9th grade in Highschool i took AP computer Science and in 10th i took AB computer science. I passed both classes with As and passed the college tests and learned s good amount about java. But i could never see myself becoming a programmer. And i really needed to be passionate about it if i wanted to become a programmer as i hated math and still hate doing any math above algebra.

If i ever get back into coding it would be for personal web development and html.
But nevertheless i wish everyone here the best of luck with their programming and i can see the appeal of it to intps.

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Id like to want to get into programming, it just seems like such a dead end. Experience oor in the moment-wise. In terms of job availability/stability, wages, and making an impact on the world I think programmming is the bee's knees for the modern world but it seems so bleh just programming. I would like my opinion changed.
 

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Id like to want to get into programming, it just seems like such a dead end. Experience oor in the moment-wise. In terms of job availability/stability, wages, and making an impact on the world I think programmming is the bee's knees for the modern world but it seems so bleh just programming. I would like my opinion changed.

There is a broad application for programming and it opens doors for other computer related careers. Perhaps wages aren't good for entry level and it isn't a stable career, but I think there is an ongoing influx of positions. Why does it seem like a dead end?
 

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Id like to want to get into programming, it just seems like such a dead end. Experience oor in the moment-wise. In terms of job availability/stability, wages, and making an impact on the world I think programmming is the bee's knees for the modern world but it seems so bleh just programming.

That was amusing.

I would like my opinion changed.

So there's hope for you yet.
 

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CS, IT, engineering, hacking, you name it, if you're into programming computers put a vote in.

EDIT: I meant the poll to be a public poll, and I know that I set it up that way, but it didn't take for some reason. Does anybody know how to change that?

Meanwhile, post your intentions on the thread.
been programming since 1980 (I was 10). Been programming professionally since 1997 (School, college, university first).
 

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Id like to want to get into programming, it just seems like such a dead end. Experience oor in the moment-wise. In terms of job availability/stability, wages, and making an impact on the world I think programmming is the bee's knees for the modern world but it seems so bleh just programming. I would like my opinion changed.
When I first got into professional programming, I was chatting with a recruitment guy. He used to be in IT. Made way more money, and had way less hassle. However, I was socially inept and practically clumsy, and so jobs like that were realistically out of my range. Programming was one of the few jobs I felt I could do well.

In IT, it's the business-people who make most of the money, the guys who couldn't program to save their lives.

Oh well.
 

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When I first got into professional programming, I was chatting with a recruitment guy. He used to be in IT. Made way more money, and had way less hassle. However, I was socially inept and practically clumsy, and so jobs like that were realistically out of my range. Programming was one of the few jobs I felt I could do well.

In IT, it's the business-people who make most of the money, the guys who couldn't program to save their lives.

Oh well.
Seems like the best way to go is making your own startup and partnering up with an extrovert or INTJ personality to keep you motivated and on track. So instead of programming for a large corp you're grinding out code for your personal projects and solving problems that you and your team come up with. That's going to be much more fun, working out of your house with a group of friends hacking on the kitchen table. Also you're solving problems more directly and that's going to make you feel better than coding something for someone you don't even talk to, where you're just dealt the workload from a sales person or something.

Personally that's always been my ideal career, to have a gang of people solving problems together out of a hacklab somewhere. Being our own bosses and working directly with a market to provide solutions for them.
 

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i'm into programming too, not sure of which mbti type i am for sure, probably between isfp/istp/intp something =)

been into many things, into hacking and demo making, also had a company where we were developping video streaming solution for the web

been also into programming video games, and many other stuff linked with physics, either it's audio, video or vectorial

now i'm bit into developping a little operating system, which is already a bit advanced so far, i want it to be able to take full advantage of multi core hardware for interactive real time paralelle computing oriented toward multi media things mainly video and 3D raytracing or rasters

also been doing plenty of stuff, regarding web development, with php frameworks and cms, ajax, flash as3 etc

i think my interest in programming also has lot to do with mathematics and physics, as it's something i always found extremly interesting the possibility with computer to be able to modelize and visualize mathematics and physics equation in real time, it's something that always fascinated me lol
 

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I'm more than likely than not a Ni-dom backed with Fe, Ti, and Se. My functionality when it comes to engineering goes like this:
1. Perceive - An ongoing process that keeps me up-to-date with where the world is technologically.

2. Envision - A process that occurs after figuring out where technology is. It searches for how it can be improved and places that idea at the pinnacle of drive.

3. Plan - Gathering information and resources from the people, the internet forums, and failed experiments to grasp the feasibility and the how of my project.

4. Implement - All my core functions play a role and Extraverted Sensing makes it look good at the end.

5. Influence - Extraverted Feeling based influential speeches and the like.
I want to go down the Steve Jobs path. I didn't particularly identify with the way the INTP Bill Gates went about doing things with his company.

Bill Gates seemed to be less Fe oriented than Steve Jobs. Not saying he was indifferent, but rather that connecting with the customer, no matter how many times he emphasized it, seemed to be a simple effect of his efforts for technological innovation and not the motivation behind it.

Steve Jobs, on the other hand, was a visionary and was both able influence people with the powers of Fe and back it up with Ti refined critical thinking abilities and technological prowess. The impact he had was amazing and something that could only be done with the Ni-Fe combo. Just look at MLK and people who are heavily influenced by their vision for change.

This guy is another example of a Fe influenced Ni dom.
I'll be in college soon majoring in Electrical Engineering. My progress will be mentioned somewhere (if all goes well that is :phear:).
 

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i don't agree with your view, steve job originally had more an hardware background, and was seing more in term of object in every day use, while bill gate think infrastructure, languages, and steve job clearly didn't have the programming skill of bill gate.

no doubt steve job can be seen as more of a 'feeler' to a degree, a bit more artistic, and narcissic, but in the background he didn't invent that much all the back bone of industrial computing with languages, and global system infrastructure, they even gave up more or less on mac os by taking bsd kernel running on intel cpu now

from the base, steve job had to borrow bill gate basic, because he needed some advanced framework to develop application and software industry, and he didn't have that much strong background like bill gate with that

the major challange of the 80's/90's was to develop multi tasking system with memory protection, that allow real time interaction, not having a computer running a single program like a simple turing machine, but to have whole system architecture to handle multi tasking, and concurent access to hardware, and real time interactivity, the base infrastructure on which 95% of software is built today

steve job didn't have even remotly that much vision regarding global software architecture like bill gate did.
 

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i don't agree with your view, steve job originally had more an hardware background, and was seing more in term of object in every day use, while bill gate think infrastructure, languages, and steve job clearly didn't have the programming skill of bill gate.

Yes, admittedly, I agree Steve Jobs, was nowhere near as skilled as Bill Gates (Ti-leads usually always are better at this stuff).

*uncontrollable laughter*
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back it up with Ti refined critical thinking abilities and technological prowess.
I think this is the part you keenly disagree with right? :facepalm: Yeah, I didn't mean to exaggerate it in such a way that undermined Bill Gates and his abilities. Surely, Bill Gates was way more knowledgeable in multiple areas when it came to technology and probably had better critical thinking abilities, as he had a high dose of Introverted Thinking, which has a inclination, especially in, INTPs toward mastery.

no doubt steve job can be seen as more of a 'feeler' to a degree, a bit more artistic, and narcissic, but in the background he didn't invent that much all the back bone of industrial computing with languages, and global system infrastructure, they even gave up more or less on mac os by taking bsd kernel running on intel cpu now

from the base, steve job had to borrow bill gate basic, because he needed some advanced framework to develop application and software industry, and he didn't have that much strong background like bill gate with that

the major challange of the 80's/90's was to develop multi tasking system with memory protection, that allow real time interaction, not having a computer running a single program like a simple turing machine, but to have whole system architecture to handle multi tasking, and concurent access to hardware, and real time interactivity, the base infrastructure on which 95% of software is built today

steve job didn't have even remotly that much vision regarding global software architecture like bill gate did.

I'm not so much interested in what he did as I am with how he did it, using his personality to his advantage. My post wasn't meant to say my opinion on which one was better, smarter, or more of a visionary than the other, but rather to highlight which of these head figures represented a goal for me, personally. I like the way Steve Jobs influenced the masses that's all.

Green = Interesting.
Red = Why do you think that?
 

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well the way i see, the i386 has been around since the early 80's, it took nearly 15 year to exploit these feature in a true 32 bit preemptive system, the war was played on that, and even today, there is not that much system that are really that great regarding the whole handle of graphic interface with multi threading and concurent hardware access, even mobile system are only partially really multi task

and this stuff even today is rather a problematic that is not really even totally solved, the first basic it's microsoft who made it, and steve job was totally dependent on it for all the software buisness

if it was not for itune and anti trust law, apple would have been out of buisness already long ago, steve job never been really that advanced in term of software, i even could suspect they let apple have the music market with itune to match with anti trust law, because if microsoft had monopoly on both computer system and music distribution, it would have been greatest financial empire ever seen

and it's because bill gate think he term of architecture, his stuff with com and directx is found on all kind of platoform, game console, phones, computers , and provide the base framework to develop all kind of application from home to military

originally steve jobs doesn't come from a highly advanced programming theory background, not sure he even have that much level in math or anything, he come more from hardware/electronic tweaking background, and have more view in term of technological object, rather than on software infrastructure like it is on modern operating system, which enable in big part technology as we experience it today

and those stuff are not little problems, again it took them about 15 year to come up with windows 95 to fully exploit the i386 architecture, and can add another 5 year to have something really stable and useable , because it's really very hard problematic that are not even really well defined with mathematic model or anything, and steve job and apple they never really made big advance on that

even the way steve jobs influenced the mass, it's some kind of techno-snobism with computer that are twice as expansive for not much, sort of creating a trend with buisness in mind big time, like really commercial exploitation of a form of techno snobism
 

DelusiveNinja

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like really commercial exploitation of a form of techno snobism
Personally, I'm definitely cool with this approach to getting money, especially if what is being talked about is being sold and not some low quality products instead.
 

h0bby1

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well still for me it become something else than software industry, apple barely sell any software, they even stopped to make final cut, they sell more electronic object like ipod or iphone, and act more like a music distributor than as a software company with itunes/ipod, and from a pure technological stand point, it's nothing that revolutionary either, except it sort of created a sort of social trend by making expansive product, supposedly more polished, or more stylised, without much other benefits to them, or even serious draw back regarding functionality, it become more some kind of snobism than being really that much of truly advanced software company
 
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