You seem allot less intimidating that I am afraid to post anything on INTPf cause I might seem stupid where as I could talk to you IRL and perhaps be on equal grounds.
If I remember Auburn thought ...
but the real truth is
should also mention...
(obviously) we we're totally fxkin' stoned
TA is pretty much congruent with his forum persona, if subdued. THD was somewhat endearingly awkward and cagey, though he lacks that smartass vibe he has here.
Ums, well firstly I should say I took the liberty of imaging the vid, but please let me know if you'd like them deleted (either now or in the future), and I'll take them down right away. =)
Secondly, since I visually type via functions (not 4-letters, nor necessarily the traditional hierarchy of functions) my typings may not make sense if you convert them into MBTI terms. For more info on the method I use, the PDFs on this page could elaborate. ^^;
I'll start with TheHabitatDoctor!
I'm quite certain you're a Te user, in fact you have high-Te, which is either dominant or secondary. The judgment processes are discerned through the way the smile curls upward when smiling, as well as the manner of articulation.
Here we see your mouth curling into a smile. Notice how your smile begins to curl inward toward the sides of your nose, rather than pan outward (toward the ears (as you'll see in TA's photos)).
The Fi/Te oscillation pair causes a sort of 'pinching' effect to occur in the muscles between the corner of the lips and the sides of the nose. The effect of the pinching results in a bulging of the cheeks. I'll get to that further below.
Here we see the smile in a second phase of levitation. The tension between the sides of the lips and the sides of the nose becomes more pronounced.
And here in the third/full stage we see a classic Fi snarling smile. I've seen this look a lot. The smile is almost entirely contained within a vertical space in the center of the face. It "clashes" with the nose-area, though the bulge is hard to see in this image due to lighting.
Now, to elaborate on the 'bulge' I spoke about earlier. I find that one of the easiest ways to demonstrate to someone what this bulge is, is to show it in extreme forms. So the following are extreme examples of the bulge:
This is FiSe Enya. She has the same sort of muscular tension (and resulting extrusion) on the sides of her nose; see that dip and the shadow it causes? Pay close attention to the nuance of that look. Notice also that all the movement of her smile is concentrated and contained in the immediate area above her upper cheek (shown by the blue box) and the whole of her mouth's motions are contained in an area in the vertical center of the face (shown by the green lines). It's all "scrunched" in there.
Now, for the second extreme example:
Hehe. Recognize Fi-lead Tobey Maguire's meme face? Again, it's exaggerated here, but the essential look is there. The guy on the right, whose name I don't know, is likely an SeFi. These imagse have circles showing where the bulge is, more or less. But remember the bulge is defined not as much by "how far it goes out" of the face, but by whether it's being done via a pinch -- which usually means they're small bulges, but with a high concentration of muscular tension. Fe/Ti smiles can have more of an extrusion but it will not be pinched into a bubble like it is in Fi/Te users.
And the last example I want to show you is a Te-lead friend of mine:
He's the one on the left, in the blue graduation uniform.
The flash of the camera and gloss of his face really captured the bulges, but also the way that clash with the rest of the face. In general, the smiles of Fi users will look 'unnatural' or even 'awkward' (in contrast to Fe smiles) due to them being uncontrolled and spontaneous. They can be highly asymmetrical, gimpy, and cause the face to seem to be making an expression that wasn't intended.
THD also made several of unnatural/unprompted expressions:
Notice how your face looks like it's disgusted or disturbed. In reality, you were not saying anything disturbing -- you were speaking about normal things. But your face made these expressions (which don't match your words) because Fi users don't have 'deliberation' in their facial muscles, and instead their face makes expressions in accord with how they feel internally at the very split second that their mental activity is forming the thought.
So for example, if the thought you were forming had even a sliver of "disassociation" or "dislike", your Fi reacts, and your face may asymmetrically raise half a smile into a partial snarl, or even both, even though what you may articulate doesn't show that disliked element you were reminded of during the formation of the thought.
As far as your perception processes go, I do think you have Ne/Si. But I can't completely confirm this, since I only saw them clearly in a few frames. But here:
When recalling information (middle slide) your eyebrows drooped/slacked down heavily from the outer sides and covered the corner of your eyes. This is a typical Si trait. Your eyes also lack the "intense" focus that Se eyes have (see TA's shots for a reference of Se eyes). They look like they are receding into your face, almost hiding.
Hehe, for a brief moment you expanded your eyes to help me see them clearly but that ended up being one of the least clear instances of them -- since you were manually controlling the muscles. In that moment that did look sharp, but a better indicator is how they look in casual events. Still not 100% on this though.
Overall this means you're Te/Fi+Ne/Si, either SiTe or TeSi, though I'd lean more toward SiTe. This is a trend I've seen a lot.. SiTe's tend to be typed as ENTPs because they do have Ne, and MBTI epic-fails at understanding Si. Due to the nature of oscillation-pairs, someone's "Primary Oscillation" is the most prominent psychic duality of their cognition. In other words, BOTH Si+Ne form the main axis of the SiTe's psyche. So Ne is indeed quite a crucial aspect of their mind and one they will identify with ---- unless they're totally one-dimensional in their development. Only a small percent of Si-leads are actually traditionalist; the 'Traditionalist' is actually only a subset of Si-leads, one which is Si-leavy and Ne-underdeveloped. All other Si-leads are actually quite spontaneous, but within comfortable boundaries which they set themselves.
Your type is very straightforward; definitely Se/Ni + Fe/Ti. More specifically, I think you're SeTi with high-Se. Your eyes are intense, sharp, and constantly 'engaged'. They seem to be needing to soak up the environment. I'll focus on contrasting you against Ne, since that seems to be the only difference. First, here's some images of your eyes:
If I had to use single words to describe your eyes I'd say they look "cat-like", "cunning", "focused", "forward", or "sharp". In technical terms, the space above the outer edges of your eyes is always pulled up. This causes your eyebrows to appear to be slanting down toward the nose. Also, your eyelid constantly remains lowered over the top of your eyes at the same altitude. Another important aspect is that the area below your eyes, on the outer edges, is pulled out too.
Going further, when you concentrate or recall information, this is how your eyes look:
This is (rightly identified) the 'Manic' look of Se/Ni eyes when concentrating. This is caused by the eyebrow contracting toward the center while the eyes don't give up their sharp and intense look. So what happens is that intensity is greatly amplified by the scowl. Compare that to the image of THD scowling up above, where his eyes look more meek/sad/confused than manic/angry/sharp. (Not saying you're angry! ...just dunno how to describe them better)
Your eyes do toggle somewhat, which is a trait of both Exploration processes (Ne and Se) and also indicates strong Pe, but your eyes retain a focus that Ne eyes don't. Ne eyes look more 'naive' and confused (even when they're not), and have a softness to the area around the eyes, rather than a 'pull'. Their upper eyelid also doesn't stay lowered over the top of their eyes.
As for the Fe/Ti duality, this is solidly Fe:
Your smile pans outward to the sides (toward your ears), entirely lacking tension between muscles. In other words, there are no muscles contradicting each other in their direction of pull. The muscles that are working are pulling outward, and your skin simply folds itself where it needs to due to the natural pull of the face.
I tried to be brief, but it turned out longer than I expected. c.c
And there's definitely more cues I could name, but I'll leave it at that.
The Critical Parent Role
(sometimes referred to as the 6th function)
The critical parent role is how we find weak spots and can immobilize and demoralize others.
We can also feel this way when others use the process that plays this role.
It is often used sporadically and emerges more often under stressful conditions when something important is at risk. When we engage it, we can go on and on.
To access its positive side of discovery, we must learn to appreciate and be open to it. Then it has an almost magical quality and can provide a profound sense of wisdom.
Auburn got me as SeTi (I think
hertypo meant high-Ne, not just high Se) <sorry TA don't think so, so ESTP with high Ne (I think that's what she meant, I've already read a lot of stuff at CT),
Aw yeah...embrace your functions
the zen (blue brain) moment of Ni is beautiful (as described by THD in one his posts and is described all over CT articles/forums), existing here is beautiful, existing in the meaning is beautiful, existing outside of the meaning is beautiful,
Moderators told me never to talk about that.
Auburn presumably had permission from TA and Habi to read them, given that the thread title says for Auburn and given the knowledge that Auburn's work heavily involves typing people. This thread's about TA and Habi and what they've volunteered of themselves anyway, I'd say it's pretty intrinsic to the context of the thread that people might comment on their type, etc.
Mhm. =) Objectively I don't see anything limiting about the methodology in itself, but the execution/reading can vary... -- not everyone is equally adept at it, in the same way not everyone's adept at reading lips. I wouldn't say I'm fail-proof. But I do wanna describe what I see to be true.Auburn, your methods are very interesting to me, and I have been following your website. You have reliable indicators that enable you to stay consistent within the framework of your theory. Certainly the largest margin of potential error lies within the validity of your assessment, of course I mean no offense by this.
Ah, since eyes-steering-the-head is a Perception-Lead sign, it does belongs to both Pi-Leads and Pe-Leads. It may've been more accurate to just say P-lead. In the case of the SeFi videos, they're all P-leads too, but the focus was on how eyes-sterring looks when Pe is the lead process (as opposed to Pi).The part I'd like to call to question is that in both videos you mentioned that the eyes steering the head is indicative of P lead as well, however in the Se video you specified Pe. If I am wrong about this I apologize; it was yesterday that I am trying to recall.
The main difference is 'typically': alert eyes vs unimpressed eyes. So, eyes peeled at the brim of their sockets vs upper eyebrow slightly lowered and resting on the top of the eyes. But that alone isn't always enough because sometimes Se-leads can have strong polar-Ni use and that will show in their eyes too (or vice versa).Could you briefly explain how you differentiate between Se and Ni in P-lead types?
In that case we need to more closely consider energy (Pe-bubbling/crisp energy VS Pi-viscosity) and the judgment processes (i.e. - Fe and Fi smiles will look different in different roles/orders of the psyche). If it can be determined that, say, their Te is indeed secondary, then we can suspect Ni/Se starts with Ni. If their energy flow also confirms and aligns with this, we can be more certain still. And so on with other signals; the person is seen as a whole, considering how the signals are interacting with each other, and not just as a compartmentalized set of signals.
*cough* er, so going back on track... I hope the above answered that, mostly. In THD's case I'm not really fully sure of his dominant but that's more to do with the video quality on the eyes. Either way, things can be understood by the relation that functions play to one another. So for example, even if you see signals for, say, Ne, you can know it's either dominant or polar by the manner in which they lead with their eyes, which is a trait shared by all P-leads.Why is it that you are able to positively identify the inferior and auxiliary functions but you have to deduce the dominant??