lottery

[sushi]

do any intps play, try to crack the lottery or think its a hoax rigged game

 

[Hadoblado]

Nobody would sell lottery tickets if it wasn't profitable. The only way for it to be profitable is if players on average lose more than they win.

 

[fluffy]

As a way of avoiding her problems my mom buys them.

You can win card games by a method called card counting but they will break you legs if they catch you in the casino with their computer detector.

 

[sushi]

Nobody would sell lottery tickets if it wasn't profitable. The only way for it to be profitable is if players on average lose more than they win.

it is less rigged than the casino imo, i have studied past numbers.

i believe a team of intjs or intps can crack the lottery if they work together

its not impossible set like it needs a supercomputer to predict it.

 

[Hadoblado]

What past numbers have you studied and what do you mean by "less rigged"?

 

[Cognisant]

The odds are worse, but the difference is that after a win in a casino you want to keep playing, whereas if you win the lotto you know damn well that's not happening again.

So, at least in theory, you have a better chance of keeping your winnings after a lotto win, than if you won in a casino, where they have various means of encouraging you to keep playing, because in the long run the house always wins.

 

[sushi]

What past numbers have you studied and what do you mean by "less rigged"?

gambling is about cost, randomness and risk

i think those odds and three variables are higher at a casino.

lottery picking is calculable and managable

like you can have 40% to 60% chance if you have right team or enough experience.

 

[Hadoblado]

Okay, I'm basically of the opposite camp.

Regardless of the chances, both are rigged against you by default every time. So unless you can find an edge to get ahead, you're best not playing both. For lotto, there is no edge getting. Their process is unhackable.

Casinos though? There are many ways get an edge, whether that be counting cards, bribing a dealer, or cooperating with a cohort. Poker is a casino game and if you're good you can consistently make money without even cheating. Yes most people lose, but edges are possible.

So IMO, either avoid both, or find an edge at the casino.

 

[fractalwalrus]

I tend to avoid situations that would thrust me into the public eye.

 

[Bluehalite]

I'm only logging on for a second to answer, but yes, in moderation. For example, I've been to Las Vegas once and Reno maybe 8 times. I tend to win at Bingo, slot machines and Gin Rummy. Its mostly luck, but here are some strategies I use: I only put $40 per day in an envelope that I'm allowed to spend. I only visit casinos once every decade or so, not often. This way, I can not lose more than what I allow myself to lose.
Plus, I get butterflies in my stomach if I pass by a slot machine that is ready to pay. If I pull the handle twice and nothing comes, I keep walking down a row of machines until I feel the butterflies. As soon as the payload comes out, I walk to an ATM to deposit it. I only go to smoke free casinos like the Mirage and Golden Nugget, those are my lucky spots. I have won a jackpot each time I've gone to a Casino.
With Bingo, I listen to which numbers come up most often and chose the slide boards with those numbers. I have won seven out of ten games.
With lottery or Keno, I can pick 3-5 correct of ten numbers, but I don't win that much in those, but I do have some strategies, like playing on Sunday seems to pay better and playing Royal Bucks seems to pay more for me.
My grandparents loved taking us as kids to Lake Tahoe and Reno, Nevada, so I really love the thrill of those places, short term, and not overdoing it.
We used to stay right on Lake Tahoe and enjoy the pretty beach and lake. The food is amazing too, huge buffets for 12.95, steaks, drinks, its so indulgent, I guess thats why they call it Sin City, you can be a glutton for a few days and its too much fun. Favorite show is the O show at the Bellagio, and at Caesars, there are awesome 'reality' type rides too.

This was amazing, expensive, but worth it:

https://www.vegas.com/shows/cirque-du-soleil/o-las-vegas/?msclkid=5101e8e4774b176dc2aa8fe149bd122a&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=US%20Shows%3A%20Cirque%20du%20Soleil&utm_term=o%20tickets%20bellagio&utm_content=O%20by%20Cirque

 

[sushi]

its only 5 numbers or 6 numbers total
(greater than 7 or 8 numbers will probably take a genius or supercomupter)

for

its also highly unlikely that you have four number a set (outliner) and then 1 individual

4+1
(11 13 15 17) 22

5+0
(11 12 13 16 18)
or even all 1s
1+1+1 +1 +1
01 12 23 30 41

most of them are like on standard devilation

2+2+1
(11 14) (20 24) 49

2+1+1 +1
(11 14) 22 33 40

3+1+1

(11 14 17) 33 44

3+2

(01 05 07) (22 23)

 

[Hadoblado]

It's random Sushi.

Why would they ever want to put patterns in it? What possible purpose could that serve? All that would do is make the numbers predictable, which would lose them a lot of money fast.

You are seeing patterns after the fact. If there really is a systematic pattern, you should be able to predict if before the fact. And if you do you're an instant billionaire.

 

[sushi]

It's random Sushi.

Why would they ever want to put patterns in it? What possible purpose could that serve? All that would do is make the numbers predictable, which would lose them a lot of money fast.

You are seeing patterns after the fact. If there really is a systematic pattern, you should be able to predict if before the fact. And if you do you're an instant billionaire.

Hadoblado, so you are implying that probably takes a supercomputer to know all the permutations and randomness?

i think like lower than 6-7 numbers is not beyond a single human. ( a team of people will be much easier)

as for very low odds, how much does it take to become as rich as jeff bezos, how much does it take to conquer like alexander the great

everything involving massive success has low odds and probability in this universe.

 

[dr froyd]

if you believe the balls are random, then all sequences have the same probability

i.e. you can't make a profit

 

[Hadoblado]

It's random Sushi.

Why would they ever want to put patterns in it? What possible purpose could that serve? All that would do is make the numbers predictable, which would lose them a lot of money fast.

You are seeing patterns after the fact. If there really is a systematic pattern, you should be able to predict if before the fact. And if you do you're an instant billionaire.

Hadoblado, so you are implying that probably takes a supercomputer to know all the permutations and randomness?

i think like lower than 6-7 numbers is not beyond a single human. ( a team of people will be much easier)

as for very low odds, how much does it take to become as rich as jeff bezos, how much does it take to conquer like alexander the great

everything involving massive success has low odds and probability in this universe.

This:

if you believe the balls are random, then all sequences have the same probability

i.e. you can't make a profit

A supercomputer doesn't magically adjust odds, it can only calculate them.

You and some other members here tend to jump to the most complicated approach while ignoring much simpler and more effective approaches. You only need to understand that each selection is equally likely and extrapolate from there.

This is high school level math. You're massively overthinking it. Not everything requires a genius or a supercomputer or machine learning or divine inspiration.

 

[fluffy]

The lotto is like a big random number generator. If you were to try and find the odds it would require a computer bigger than the universe.

But hey if you have any ideas don't stop trying. You can learn and have fun.

 

[Bluehalite]

if you believe the balls are random, then all sequences have the same probability

i.e. you can't make a profit

With bingo where the balls are airshot up, some balls come up much more often, maybe due to their weights are a bit different. So I could listen and chose the ones that were more frequent. some types of lottery use those ping pong balls and that’s one idea.

or, with closed eyes you might see a number and chose that or run your finger over a list of numbers and sense a feeling with fingertips over the winners with touch. Can experiment to see if your fingers can do that.

 

[fluffy]

if you believe the balls are random, then all sequences have the same probability

i.e. you can't make a profit

With bingo where the balls are airshot up, some balls come up much more often, maybe due to their weights are a bit different. So I could listen and chose the ones that were more frequent. some types of lottery use those ping pong balls and that’s one idea.

or, with closed eyes you might see a number and chose that or run your finger over a list of numbers and sense a feeling with fingertips over the winners with touch. Can experiment to see if your fingers can do that.

Sheldon Cooper goes to Vegas.

 

[Bluehalite]

: ) Good example!

 

[Hadoblado]

The lotto is like a big random number generator. If you were to try and find the odds it would require a computer bigger than the universe.

But hey if you have any ideas don't stop trying. You can learn and have fun.

It really wouldn't though. I'm not mathy or a genius or a computer bigger than the universe. I'm sure I'll get something wrong but it'd look a bit like this:

C = total options
n = possibilities for each ball
r = number of balls drawn

C(n,r) = n!/r(n-r)!

C(50, 6) = 50!/6!(50-6)!

= 50!/6!*44!
= 50*49*48*47*46*45/6!
= 50*49*48*47*46*45/(6*5*4*3*2*1)
= 11,441,304,000/720
= 15,890,800

So there are a total of 15,890,800 total possible combinations for drawing six balls all of which can be one of 50 options. Your chance of drawing any particular combination is therefore 1/15,890,800.

Knowing this does not allow me to win lottery. All it does is convince me not to participate in the lottery.

 

[fluffy]

The lotto is like a big random number generator. If you were to try and find the odds it would require a computer bigger than the universe.

But hey if you have any ideas don't stop trying. You can learn and have fun.

It really wouldn't though. I'm not mathy or a genius or a computer bigger than the universe. I'm sure I'll get something wrong but it'd look a bit like this:

C = total options
n = possibilities for each ball
r = number of balls drawn

C(n,r) = n!/r(n-r)!

C(50, 6) = 50!/6!(50-6)!

= 50!/6!*44!
= 50*49*48*47*46*45/6!
= 50*49*48*47*46*45/(6*5*4*3*2*1)
= 11,441,304,000/720
= 15,890,800

So there are a total of 15,890,800 total possible combinations for drawing six balls all of which can be one of 50 options. Your chance of drawing any particular combination is therefore 1/15,890,800.

Knowing this does not allow me to win lottery. All it does is convince me not to participate in the lottery.

The analogy to what your saying is that for you to win it would be like expecting to find a dollar fall from the sky every time you walk out of a restraint with no on following you to do so by intention 300 time in a row. In other words you can grab a number but the number will not be generated same each and every time. This is what they do for Pokemon cards. One rare card exists in all millions packs. But it could be you don't get the same card each time. Charizard wins one year but Bulbasaur the next but then the previous rare card is not used to determine the winner each time. Charizard become worthless if when you need Bulbasaur out of a million card packs and a different Pokemon chosen each year. New Pokemon are created for the millions of packs next year that's worthless the next million packs.

 

[Hadoblado]

Are you talking about coins materialising out of the sky, or the chance of drawing a particular card from a booster, or fluctuations in card price over time? I don't really see how any clarify our understanding of the lottery.

Your writing feels confused to me. I haven't had this much difficulty understanding your posts in like 10 years. Everything alright?

 

[fluffy]

@Hadoblado

You get something different each time.

Like a million cards Deck is created and one card wins. But then the deck is created with a new random wining card. The probability is the same each new deck, one in a million. There is no way to calculate it because you're dealing with a new deck all the time. This is the same for ball lattos.

Pokemon cards was however something I thought of like winning McDonald's monopoly. Every year they changed the game pieces. So winning is nearly impossible for a million dollars.

 

[fluffy]

People can find a dollar bill on the street at random but to have it happen all the time is impossible. The odds just increase all the time. For many things like that. So winning lattos are never consistent. Finding dollar bills on the street is never consistent.

 

[dr froyd]

ive never played lotto, but you might have to draw a specific permutation? So 50! / (50 - 5)! outcomes or something?

anyway, if you want to gain an edge gambling, it's been done a few different ways (none of which entailed predicting a regular lottery), for example:
1. if you're dealing with an electronic casino you can try to figure out the random-number-generator (RNG) algo. It's probably next to impossible but I've heard about such a case before. It was genius-level shit, because you need to know 1) the specific RNG method (there's many different ones), and 2) figure out the RNG state by observing the sequence of draws it produces. If you achieve this, you can predict with 100% certainty the subsequent sequence of draws. But.. someone running a casino with a crackable RNG would be a very stupid mistake and would be an exceptionally rare occurrence.
2. some lotteries have a bunch of rules for how they accumulate the money in the pot, like when nobody guessed the right number for a long time the pot growths while the price of each ticket remains constant. Ive heard in some cases you can get a slightly positive expected return on these. This of course doesn't mean you can predict anything, it just means your odds are good enough to take the bet.
3. play a game where it's actually possible to gain an edge fairly - like sports betting or poker.

and then of course you have the biggest casino of them all (where i play) - financial markets

 

[ZenRaiden]

I don't know much about lotto, but the way they do it with eurojackpot which is 90 mil euro, is that they pool thousand people then they get 1000 tickets and then they have high chance of winning. Instead of playing winner takes all, they divide the win among 1000. Obviously numbers vary from group to group. But if you are smart you can win like this pretty likely.

 

[sushi]

i can form a lottery group , we can try to crack the US lottery.

anyone who wants to join to contact me.

 

[Bluehalite]

I'm smiling at this idea. I think we'd all need to take 'remote viewing' training.

 

[Hadoblado]

If you want to try, I support it (so long as you don't throw too much money away). But please learn the relatively simple math behind it so you can tell if you're succeeding beyond what is expected.

I don't want you developing a gambling addiction just because you find some way to rationalise that you're "due" or something.

To be clear, I think the chances of you actually finding a way to cheat lottery is basically zero (even lower than the chance of you winning the lottery legitimately). But I see this as a way for you to maybe realise this yourself, or prove me wrong.

 

[dr froyd]

it doesn't help to have a high chance of winning if the expected value of the bet is negative..

 

[sushi]

ive never played lotto, but you might have to draw a specific permutation? So 50! / (50 - 5)! outcomes or something?

anyway, if you want to gain an edge gambling, it's been done a few different ways (none of which entailed predicting a regular lottery), for example:
1. if you're dealing with an electronic casino you can try to figure out the random-number-generator (RNG) algo. It's probably next to impossible but I've heard about such a case before. It was genius-level shit, because you need to know 1) the specific RNG method (there's many different ones), and 2) figure out the RNG state by observing the sequence of draws it produces. If you achieve this, you can predict with 100% certainty the subsequent sequence of draws. But.. someone running a casino with a crackable RNG would be a very stupid mistake and would be an exceptionally rare occurrence.
2. some lotteries have a bunch of rules for how they accumulate the money in the pot, like when nobody guessed the right number for a long time the pot growths while the price of each ticket remains constant. Ive heard in some cases you can get a slightly positive expected return on these. This of course doesn't mean you can predict anything, it just means your odds are good enough to take the bet.
3. play a game where it's actually possible to gain an edge fairly - like sports betting or poker.

and then of course you have the biggest casino of them all (where i play) - financial markets

its combination not permutation

i done math , but the human brain is not perfect.

of course if i have supercomputer that makes random numbers, chances will be much higher.

the most probable numbers are at the middle of the bell curve range.

the way i did it is to buy a numbers card deck and random shuffle it, this simulates the process.

 

[Bluehalite]

Cool. Here is a sort of random number generator, like this? https://a.co/d/cwJim4f
If everyone concentrates on the same numbers and buys tickets with those same numbers, we could see if it 'makes' it more likely.

 

[sushi]

Cool. Here is a sort of random number generator, like this? https://a.co/d/cwJim4f
If everyone concentrates on the same numbers and buys tickets with those same numbers, we could see if it 'makes' it more likely.

thx

Scholastic Teacher Resources Flash Cards: Numbers 0 - 100

 

[Bluehalite]

ok, I think this would be a lot of fun.
Creativity is purposeful play. This sounds good. Playing with numbers.

 

[sushi]

If you want to try, I support it (so long as you don't throw too much money away). But please learn the relatively simple math behind it so you can tell if you're succeeding beyond what is expected.

I don't want you developing a gambling addiction just because you find some way to rationalise that you're "due" or something.

To be clear, I think the chances of you actually finding a way to cheat lottery is basically zero (even lower than the chance of you winning the lottery legitimately). But I see this as a way for you to maybe realise this yourself, or prove me wrong.

limit the amount you bet. dont over bet or under bet.

accumulate experience first, diversifty the risk with teamwork of several people.

 

[dr froyd]

ive recently been trying to "crack" a few games at an online casino, but doing so fairly as in purely statistically as opposed to try to crack their RNG etc

most games don't really allow you to change the outcome, e.g. slots. You just press a button and get paid according a payout table. It is trivial to calculate the expected value and it is of course always negative

but there are some games that allow for some decision-making. For example there was a casino-poker game (played against the casino, not other players) that allowed for a limited amount of decisions like check, bet on flop and turn streets. The expected value from optimal strategy there was not clear at all. It seemed the casino itself didn't actually know the expected value under optimal play, they just said on average a player loses 3% per hand. I did manage to calculate a strategy that reduced that to 0.01% loss, but that didn't really help - it's still a losing game. Seems that the guys who make those games know what they are doing, unfortunately

 

[ZenRaiden]

Sports IMHO are doable bets.
I remember watching World Hokey Cup and I was pretty good at predicting winners in a row. Simply by analysing play style and team strategy and strength.
I am not sure its easy for normal people tho, but I was pretty good at it.

Key point I don't know how betting works I still don't know how these things are done, so I never bet lmao.
Could have made a bundle on Trump victories got both of his presidencies right.

Intuitive brains thrive on patterns. As long as there is patterns and lots of them we can figure it out.

 

[kuoka]

I tried to crack a national lottery once after I heard a statistics professor in the US won a few lotteries in a row.

I downloaded all the historical records to see if the machine had any bias and ran it through a simple program I wrote.

The only useful conclusion I had was that if a game has, let's say, 50 possible numbers and you pick 6 numbers then there will be common patterns like 2-2-2 or 2-3-1 where the distance between the numbers in a group is 10 or less. That is just not enough to game the system, but it's better than picking 2-1-1-1-1 because at least in that lottery that was a less frequent grouping.

There was also a trend that a number that happened in the past 14 drawings had better chances to reoccur than a number that hasn't been drawn, but it was marginal. Probably having to do with how the machine is maintained at intervales and probably the drawing time is not randomized and some other factors I didn't analyze.

I still play the lottery sometimes. I just go for a lottery with the best payout to ticket price ratio and I'm not going to miss a $1 spent on it. The lottery doesn't have stellar hundred million dollar pots, more like a million top, but it's the best payout ratio in principle so the most likely to win.

 

[Bluehalite]

I don't mind spending $20 every few months on the digital types online.
These Digi games for example I can keep $20 going for a few hours of fun. The small amounts of 50 cents per game are easiest to win.
The ones I tend to win on are Pirates and Planks, Jumbo Bucks, Cats.

Diggi Games

Play Diggi games on the official Georgia Lottery app., mobile web or your computer anytime and anywhere in Georgia. Diggi games are fun and full of cash prizes!

www.galottery.com

Keno, I have picked five right numbers and won 90 or 50 here and there, and I find that Sundays pay best, but its hard to win the big jackpots on Keno. Strategy is to try a few consectutive numbers like 8, 9, 10 and look at the top for most recent recurring numbers. I feel like some ping pong balls are lighter than others and come up more often with certain games.

KENO!

www.galottery.com

I used to be very lucky at Bingo at Wednesday night groups when I was younger, I'd sit with old folks until late playing. It was a lot of fun, there would be coffee, donuts and old people talking together at a church called St. Athanasius parish, and slide type bingo boards that were used over and over. I knew to pick boards with O75 and certain boards had more common numbers you could get to know.
In my 20's I read Florence Scovill Schins book "The Game of Life and How to Play it". I used what it said, and wrote Mom a note saying I was going to play bingo and win tonight. I'd come home with $300 seven out of ten times played. So I do think you kind of create a vaccuum when you use the technique in that book, and your energy can kind of bring things in. I overheard a lady at my apartment complex back then, that you can supplement your income a bit especially with those bingo nights. It can be fun.

Admittedly, it Is slightly religious, but it worked.

Amazon.com: The Game of Life and How to Play It (Audible Audio Edition): Florence Scovel Shinn, Justin Straight, Anthony Pica Productions, LLC: Audible Books & Originals

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