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dair

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There's this gorgeous, magnificent GIANT tree in my yard. A red wood. Some asshole, some 50 or 100 years ago tied a thick piece of rope around it and left it there. It's constricting the tree like a tight laced corset from the 1800s. It's the saddest damn thing, like a baby seal with it's head stuck in those plastic soda rings. It's also some 50 ft off the ground. I hate it so much, but I'm at a complete loss at how to remove it. It's not climbable. Ladders don't really get that tall, and when they rarely do they're wildly expensive. I wouldn't have the stones to use it anyway. A bladed pole wouldn't work, because the rope is too thick and too tight to the trunk. I know there are climbing spikes, but I don't want to hurt the tree either. I'm at a loss.

Redwoods reach their full height in a hundred years, a speck in their lifespan. Then they grow out, fatter and fatter. Eventually the heartwood in the center even dies, but the tree as a whole is still thriving. Knowing how they grow, I feel like the rope is going to kill it eventually. An arborist would laugh at me out of the building if I brought this problem to them though.

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Sorry to say the obvious, but have you called any local tree surgeons? My Mum works in this field and will often visit the site for free to price up the work and give a quote. Doesn't hurt to ask someone to take a look if you don't have to pay for the initial visit. Trees don't grow that tall in the UK but I can only imagine there must be specialists who work on larger trees like that in the USA. And laugh at you or not, if you're paying someone to do the job, if they can do it I imagine someone will.
 

Animekitty

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why would climbing spikes hurt the tree?
don't you wear those on your foot?
find a tree climber?
 

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Set the tree on fire.

I'm not even kidding, it's a redwood, they're fire resistant but I'll bet the rope isn't.

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dair

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Light it on fire he says. I like my head firmly attached to my shoulders, and my skin unflayed thanks. The pacific nw is more on-fire than not, if you didn't know.

Sorry to say the obvious, but have you called any local tree surgeons? My Mum works in this field and will often visit the site for free to price up the work and give a quote. Doesn't hurt to ask someone to take a look if you don't have to pay for the initial visit. Trees don't grow that tall in the UK but I can only imagine there must be specialists who work on larger trees like that in the USA. And laugh at you or not, if you're paying someone to do the job, if they can do it I imagine someone will.

Fair enough. I've been working on repairing the land for the last few months. The previous occupant was worthless trash. Heaven help him if I ever get my hands on him; specifically my hands on his spleen. It chafes to have to call someone out and spend more capital on this worthless man's negligence. Especially when I feel like there must be a simple obvious solution staring me in the face.

It's hard to get people out this far in the mountains, and the local one is useless. He was paid remotely to remove a dead oak that threatened neighboring structure and he left it half done. Plus he left yet another rope at the top of the remainder of the tree that was supposed to be removed.

It's bright blue.
It taunts me.
I'm trying very, very, very hard not to care about it
It's a dead oak, not a live red wood. *takes a breath* It does not matter.

Needless to say, I'm not very keen to be working with other people on this.
 

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How's your knife throwing skills? Don't worry you won't stab the tree to death certainly not a massive redwood. Just make sure you tie some fishing line to the knife so if it gets stuck you can pull it down and obviously don't stand too close to the tree when you do this.

Also it has to be a proper knife, not a steak knife I mean like a k-bar or bowie knife.
 

Puffy

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Light it on fire he says. I like my head firmly attached to my shoulders, and my skin unflayed thanks. The pacific nw is more on-fire than not, if you didn't know.

Sorry to say the obvious, but have you called any local tree surgeons? My Mum works in this field and will often visit the site for free to price up the work and give a quote. Doesn't hurt to ask someone to take a look if you don't have to pay for the initial visit. Trees don't grow that tall in the UK but I can only imagine there must be specialists who work on larger trees like that in the USA. And laugh at you or not, if you're paying someone to do the job, if they can do it I imagine someone will.

Fair enough. I've been working on repairing the land for the last few months. The previous occupant was worthless trash. Heaven help him if I ever get my hands on him; specifically my hands on his spleen. It chafes to have to call someone out and spend more capital on this worthless man's negligence. Especially when I feel like there must be a simple obvious solution staring me in the face.

It's hard to get people out this far in the mountains, and the local one is useless. He was paid remotely to remove a dead oak that threatened neighboring structure and he left it half done. Plus he left yet another rope at the top of the remainder of the tree that was supposed to be removed.

It's bright blue.
It taunts me.
I'm trying very, very, very hard not to care about it
It's a dead oak, not a live red wood. *takes a breath* It does not matter.

Needless to say, I'm not very keen to be working with other people on this.

Ah, I imagine mountain living must be lovely (when you don't need to call someone out anyway.)

Well, I suppose it is the case that we need to ask for help sometimes. I guess that's what you're doing in making this thread. Are you still in contact with anyone related to the previous occupancy to ask them how they got the rope up there in the first place? Might be able to get it down by the same method?
 

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I guess it's a meaningless gesture. I'm gonna get it down, somehow anyway, but it won't matter.

Everything here is going to die. To burn. A couple weeks ago it blew it's previous highest ever recorded temperature by 5 degrees. The whole state is at the lowest moisture content ever recorded. Year round creeks and rivers are running dry.

I'm just a desert creature. I'm not used to these grand life forms, but ultimately I'm enamored with corpses.

Suppose I should rename this thread to 'dair cries pathetically about trees.'


Ah, I imagine mountain living must be lovely (when you don't need to call someone out anyway.)

It is. I'm very attached, but I won't be here long. I'm basically just getting it ready to sell. Complicated and boring circumstances. I will miss it dearly though.
 

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Get little planks and nail a ladder straight up the tree until you get to the rope. Then cut the rope. Then build a sweet chair up your tree and spy on your enemies.

You'll be damaging the tree as much as a needle damages a human.

Lemme explain:
As you've already concluded, throttling can actually kill a tree. The thick rope situation isn't a guaranteed death, but it's in the solid "likely" range (depending on thickness). Trees rely on two systems of resource delivery -- water up the middle, and sap down under the bark (where the wood is most "alive"). Water is coming up from the soil. Sap is the "food" coming down from the food factories (leaves).

Something has to damage the vital sap layers all the way around the tree to fully stop sap movement (starving the tree). That something can be a super hard freeze, porcupines, thick wires, etc.

Just puncturing this layer is no big deal at all. It's still got a ton of room for sap movement, and access to all the energy it needs to heal.
 

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I have a special tool arriving and hopefully I'll be able to reach it hanging off the roof of a nearby structure. It will be useful for a lot of other things I want/need to do anyway. If that doesn't work though, you gave me a solid back up plan, Yellow. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to make do with a rope and physics. I really don't want to do that. Thank you for the tree crash course.

rope in question
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To give an idea of scale. Also I think it's pretty.
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A few ideas after reading this thread:
Cheapest option here:
Learn how to make an archimedes mirror like this one:
If you're afraid of small fires have a high pressure water source to extinguish any flame. High-end toy water guns or garden sprays can reach this height easily.
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Second cheapest option (bonus - it doesn't set things on fire):
Get a very long and thin steel wire and throw it above the rope. Drag it down on the bark until it gets stuck on the rope. Pull it back and forth to cut the rope.
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1a. Buy or rent a high power laser. Not a toy laser and not a military laser (lol), but a green laser that can melt your skin or rope fiber (after some exposure, not instantly) at a distance of 20-30 meters. It's not that expensive, I think.

2a.Aim it at the rope and patiently burn off the fibers. The tree isn't at risk because you're using a very focused beam that only burns off a small area.

3a. The rope will most likely be stuck to the tree so you need a long pole to drag it down.
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1b. Find out which chemical/substance dissolves rope fibers and doesn't poison or damage the tree.
2b. Use a solution of said chemical and spray it under high pressure. It may take a few days to dissolve the rope with this method. Then do 3a.
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1c. Rent a drone operator or a drone with attachable drill or chainsaw and have them cut the rope and then follow step 3a.
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1d. Buy an airgun / air rifle and shoot the rope at an acute angle so that you're not shooting into the tree but rather making glancing shots and then follow step 3a.

Let's be honest you live in the USA and you should have a shotgun for self-defense. It's a core american tradition to shoot at each other and engage in violent crime or dramatic self defense using guns. Just load slug shells into it rather than buckshot / birdshot so that you're not damaging the tree with shrapnel and shoot to cut then step 3a.
 

dair

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It is done. It snapped like a gunshot, so it must have been under quite a bit of pressure. Though the rope is wrapped in a bunch of ivy and my arms are tired, so it gets to stay up there. Minimal damage done to the tree. I am pleased.

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