We are part of each other. —Simba and Kiara
Humans have only scraped the surface of this Higher Power's capabilities. We'd be capable of so much more if we'd lose the doubt in It/ He/ She and have faith in this Power from which the ability to overcome entropy is derived.
Doubt in this Providential Higher Power (which exists independent of our own typically humanoid misunderstandings) is an anchor.
Faith is a light in the darkness. Yes the first few steps into the dark it is dark but faith gives one the confidence to take the risk.
That's a pretty utilitarian view of a Higher Power that might not even exist or might not even have an interest in you if it does exist.
Just because most people can't presently appreciate the mechanisms by which this Higher Power operates doesn't mean It/ He/ She/ Whatever doesn't exist.
What are these mechanisms? I mean, if you define God as "that which allows thermodynamics and gravitation to function" then cool. That god totally exists. I would call that god "mass" instead of "God", but it's real either way.
Everything else was just an argument from ignorance. A god (a more classic idea than the one presented above) very well could exist. Why would we presume one does, though?
No it isn't; to think otherwise is simply delusional.
You said yourself the first few steps are dark; this is blind faith.
I think he meant "redundant".
Isn't blind faith about taking a risk?
What if you have a "magic" bulletproof potion and smear it over your body, then ask your friend to shoot you because you have faith?
How do you backtrack this unprofitable scenario?
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Whatever the definition, my primary point is that whatever it is, it must first be established that a Higher Power exists (whatever else that is or is not either in addition to or subtraction of) is for the next iteration of debate.
gods exist whether or not they are denied
for example the devoted Darwinist's god is evolutionary theory
they are just as 501c3 as any organized church around (universities, public education system ad nauseum).
I thought I've been explaining several reasons why gods do exist whether one believes they do or not. Hell, even the mere idea of it exists because if it did not you wouldn't be reading and writing the word if there wasn't an idea of such a thing as god...and ideas certainly exist.
I don't see how I've displayed any ignorance.
I see the atheists point of view
but the die hard ones can't see the point of view typical of my position. I would say that atheists are the ignorant ones generally.
In summary: those with faith in a higher power (and can explain it using the laws of thermodynamics) have no issue understanding and believeing in both evolution + the necessary existence of a Higher Ordering principle/ power/ influence to input energy/ matter/ time into any given system.
Yet where atheists are half ass about their explanation of life & "god" is they only understand and see half the equation, i.e. evolution/ entropy.
The chicken & the egg coexist: evolved by the influence of Higher Ordering Providence (what that is exactly remains to be defined and is not in the scope of my interest in this thread at this time).
Superiority complex much?Actually, from a holostic perspective this is a win-win. Higher Order wins because thats one less moron wasting O2 on planet earth and their elements go back to the ooze for recycling. Entropy wins because it gets to eat what was temporarily taken from it.
Darwin award winners are humanoids being called up for an expedited return to a state of entropy. What dopes. Obviously and good riddance to bad rubbish. Goodness knows the planet could use fewer mouthbreathers and bipeds. Less hordes of low order zombies and more thinkers please. Next.
What if your mind* is filled with unicorns? Then their evidence is much more filling than their non-evidence.The idea of unicorns exist, that doesn't mean unicorns do.
That is an excellent thought. While there could be a higher power, there could be a lower "power" which causes the emergence of higher things ... like planets and people.I don't really understand why is there an assumption of some higher power? Why couldn't our universe be caused by some 8th dimensional bacteria that neither intended to do that nor could ever comprehend us, much less care about us? So maybe it was a lower power? Or a sidelong one?
That's more than one idea. I believe I read that married people do better (I forget in what way) than non-married. The reason could simply be that a married person gets support when something breaks. Same thing with people of religion. What if I kicked the bucket? Would my wife say, "Take him to Potter's Field and dump him? No. She'd go to the nearest church that we'd never been to and ask what to do. As a matter of interest we got married in a church we'd never been to. Everybody came to the wedding because they knew what a church was. Religion tends to provide a supportive social structure. All one has to do is say, "Hello religious organization", and they will support you. When atheists get this social support, atheism will flourish. Let atheism do its thing until it gets grounded. But I just hope if it gets power it won't beat up on theists claiming they are crazy. They aren't.Also, if theists do live longer, good for them. Just that a portion of most of their lives seems to be spent talking to an imaginary buddy. I would rather die sooner than do that.
I am content to be mentally ill by this definition.
But I just hope if it gets power it won't beat up on theists claiming they are crazy. They aren't.
You mentioned an imaginary buddy. I don't but I could cook up some computer buddy who sits along side me to help me fix problems. It would be a fantasy. "God is an imaginary companion for adults" someone said. That doesn't sound too crazy to me. It's just an entity to lean on.
Now one can go hard materialistic materialism. But that's the low level conception you mentioned. Kind of boring wouldn't you say?
I say people of religion are not necessarily fools. But not all people of religion are socially ept with those who don't partake ... as everyone well knows.
Indirectly I'm here in Siberia because I rubbed noses with an inept person of religion and got a little poisoned. Now whom should I pray to that out of self-interest I recover?