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Old 8th-March-2014, 05:54 AM   #1
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Default Are INTPs less likely to derive joy from music?

I came across this article, which did an interesting job of explaining why most people seem to care so much more deeply about music than I do. I enjoy listening to it occasionally, but most of the time I prefer silence. Take the quiz on the bottom and post your results.

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My scores (below 40 is low, above 60 is high):

MUSIC SEEKING: 17
EMOTION EVOCATION: 18
MOOD REGULATION: 9
SENSORI-MOTOR: 21
SOCIAL: 20
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I, too, browse /r/musiccognition:

Individual Differences in Music Reward Experiences:
http://www.brainvitge.org/papers/Mas_MP_2013.pdf

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MUSIC SEEKING: 57
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Fuuuuuck, forgot the link when I originally posted this. My bad. Fixed now.
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MUSIC SEEKING: 62
EMOTION EVOCATION: 54
MOOD REGULATION: 55
SENSORI-MOTOR: 60
SOCIAL: 60
MUSIC REWARD: 61

I grew up with music, dad being a drummer and mum being an arts enthusiast in general. I don't think there was ever a time in the house or in the car that I wasn't listening to music.

At age 3 my favourite acts were Jimi Hendrix and Me'Shell Ndegeocello since that's what mum listened to all the time.

Dad exposed me to stuff like Mahavishnu Orchestra. Though I was too young to really get it, I remember being mesmerized by some of that stuff.

So I couldn't say if it's an in-born thing or a nurtured thing, but I've had a huge affinity and great sensitivity to music for as long as I can remember. To note, I just won't shutup if the topic switches to music in a conversation. I'll talk about anything and everything, any genre, instrument or aspect of music can hold my interest pretty much indefinitely.
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I grew up with music, musical family as well, surrounded by music. I still barely care about it. I like it, but I rarely seek it out. If it comes up in conversation I like to talk about it but mainly with academic interest.

+1 in the nature (vs nurture) column then?

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Music seeking: 26
Emotion evocation: 57
Mood regulation: 41
Sensori-motor: 43
Social: 61
Music reward: 44

I love music in the moment, and I very much like communal aspects of music. This has definitely been influenced and developed through music education. But I rarely seek it out.
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I had my first conscious contact with music when I was 6. My cousin introduced me to Iron Maiden and Kind Diamond. This was also the time I started playing the piano. At the age of 8 I was listening to metallica, Chopin and dance music.

I became more interested in the music overall during my late teens and it stays as an important aspect of my life, especially when music is connected with other forms of art such as writing or animation.

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Old 8th-March-2014, 10:58 AM   #10
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MUSIC SEEKING: 65
EMOTION EVOCATION: 60
MOOD REGULATION: 25
SENSORI-MOTOR: 41
SOCIAL: 57
MUSIC REWARD: 48


I never use music to change my mood, only to enhance whatever mood I'm currently in. My Spotify playlists are specifically created for different moods.

To answer the OP, I actually think that music is an emotional pathway INTPs often use. Music can make me tear up, often not because of the lyrics or any deeper meaning, just the music.
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MUSIC SEEKING: 60
EMOTION EVOCATION: 45
MOOD REGULATION: 36
SENSORI-MOTOR: 25
SOCIAL: 40
MUSIC REWARD: 36

Those scores are low apparently... Weird, I definitely value it highly.
When I was younger I didn't quite as much. Probably because I didn't have access to a large variety of music.

However, I don't really externalize my love of music(dance, movement, whatever). It's doing really cool things in my head, but It doesn't have all that much to do with my body.
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Interesting. It would seem my original hypothesis about music disinterest being an INTP thing is incorrect based on current (limited) data. I had no idea my lack of interest for music was so unusual. Hmm
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I don't listen to music at all.

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I am one of 5% who feels meh 2 music. I am so special yay! :3
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Interesting test.
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I'd go far as saying I experience music when I'm writing or drawing, it's the same kind of "being in the zone" and the lyrical nature of writing is the same lyrical sense that follows me when I play/create music.

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Music for me is nostalgia. It takes me places. It takes me back. Every song I listen to can take me to a certain time or event in my life and it's like I can almost experience it again... Almost.
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Like many threads I'm reading here, it appears the type definitions are driving the concerns. Trying to generalize about music appreciation based upon type is, well, nonsense.


"Music for me is nostalgia. It takes me places. It takes me back. Every song I listen to can take me to a certain time or event in my life and it's like I can almost experience it again... Almost."

I get the same thing! worthy of contemplation...
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I get the same thing! worthy of contemplation...
Perhaps not worthy of contemplation but worthy of accomplishing what this thread asks for. Wish I could say the same for your post
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Old 13th-March-2014, 11:02 AM   #20
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Does this mean my relationship with music is of a different nature than other people's?

I don't think there are enough questions to draw conclusions from.

And the questions are emotional/social biased:

This one: "I like to listen to music that contains emotion"

I answered disagree, because I tend to avoid music with high emotional content. I have realised my music taste is very different to my ENFP sister's, for example. She likes fragile female voices and high-pitched, emotion-laden singer-songwriter stuff. I don't like emotional voices, I get that icky feeling - the same icky feeling you get when watching the sort of movies where the producers shove emotions and values down your throat rather than letting you make up your own mind on the matter.

I tend to go for more "sterile" music. Modern jazz composition, older and modern classical, metal, electronica, experimental stuff...harder music. I don't feel comfortable with music that projects some sort of fragility. I cannot explain this very well though. I detest ballads, for example. And musicals. All that theatrical bounciness, ugh.

Although, I do enjoy the occasional input of more emotive music; some classical pieces have me reduced to tears...not that I really enjoy that part of it that much though...and
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Still, music is such a big interest of mine - there must be a different appeal that music has other than emotional/social/comfort/rhythm-biased? I don't like the way the referenced music study was biased towards these factors so much.

Perhaps it is a sub-conscious search for structure and patterns that interests me more than the overall effect?

I think I have a very high appreciation for music - but I listen for different reasons.
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Such a social butterfly Polaris.
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Perhaps not worthy of contemplation but worthy of accomplishing what this thread asks for. Wish I could say the same for your post
Then how about this: INTPs are no more or less likely to care about music than other types. But, being INTP, they approach listening to music differently than some other types. Or perhaps they feel/sense/understand music in a different way. Perhaps...
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There are different types of artist producing different types of music, so to me most certainly different cognitive functions will resonate differently with different types of music. Sound is in the ear of the beholder. I mostly listen to music to enhance my mood. I cannot think of a single time I tried to "change" my mood with music. I do know when I am feeling ..... Well, lets just say "mood less" that I will surf some tunes to help me define a mood or set mood. And I also know that even my favorite music sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard if it my mood is not right.

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I once told a friend that music is a bridge between the logical and the feelers. It has aspects that both parties can enjoy.
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In my honest opinion, most introverts I know use music as a form of escape to their own little place in their minds, including myself. I think introverts enjoy music just as much extroverts, if not more, just my opinion. But im not going to knock you for making a speculation and theorizing, we're intp's and thats what we do.
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I don't like most music. I like pandora because it finds tolerable music for me to listen to. I never really listened to any music until napster made it free. Before that, there was no way I was going to pay for something so useless. I also got in to lindy hop swing dancing, so I appreciate some types of music because of that.

Now I mostly listen to dub step. But 99% of all music including everything I've ever heard on the radio grates against my soul.

I also don't use music to change my mood, but rather, enhance it. I have to be in a peculiar mood to listen to music. Silence is still the best music of all. I love going into caves or lying on the ground while it snows. Both these situations muffle all sounds. The cave is especially enjoyable because it nullifies light as well. There is something very satisfying about lying in a completely dark, soundless, still environment. Just me, alone with my thoughts. It's probably as close as I will come to becoming a purely intellectual being.
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MOOD REGULATION: 51
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SOCIAL: 37
MUSIC REWARD: 36


I really love music and it is a big part of my life, but it isn't something that I feel I need. I don't identify with music like I did as a teenager when I would spend a lot of time alone reading and drawing, and sharing some music with friends. I think it really helped, and still helps, with the creative process and music helps with the flow while I am drawing or painting. Music is usually the only outlet I have for emotions. So when I am experiencing them, I like to accompany them with some good music. Music was also a good way to drown out the unpleasant noises of a dysfunctional family. Currently, I seek new music when I'm in the mood, but not nearly as often as I used to. I usually prefer silence now.



I don't agree with the social score(of course it is just a fun little test, nothing too objective). I have only been to about 6 concerts in my life and they were alright. I just simply enjoyed them, but don't usually care to go to them; too draining.
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Interesting. It would seem my original hypothesis about music disinterest being an INTP thing is incorrect based on current (limited) data. I had no idea my lack of interest for music was so unusual. Hmm
Nonsensical idea to start with.


I would post but I'm on an ipad and I don't know how to operate this sacred tablet.

But I enjoy music very much. I prefer classical (I enjoy all five eras) music over some of the new stuff. The fact that it has some emotional ambiguity, instead of someone telling me how they feel, gives me this sense of mental freedom.
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I listen to many genres of music and have been playing guitar and percussion for 8 years.
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I have a brother who is INTP. He shuts himself away and plays classical music whenever he gets the chance. If you ask me, he has a deep appreciation for music, but I can tell that when he listens to it, it is not for sensory stimulation. I guess that he likes to imagine what the composer was thinking and feeling, as if the music were a puzzle. I don't know if he gets nostalgic about music from talking to him, although he does not seem like someone who is drawn to 'wear your heart on your sleeve' forms of expression. He keeps many journals for documenting his philosophical thoughts, so perhaps art somehow also inspires him in this way.
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Music makes me hyper, like Alex in A Clockwork Orange. I bond with people with similar musical tastes. My family and many of my friends are like business associates. I play guitar everyday. It doesn't make me calm. I mellow out if I DON'T listen to music.
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I don't know what to think of this. I believe that I derive a great deal of value from music, but none of these questions really covered my relationship with it (if there is such a thing). Maybe joy isn't the right word. Music doesn't bring me joy any more than oxygen does, but it's something that I inhale and exhale as naturally as air.
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Some of the most blissful moments I ever experienced came from music. I couldn't live without it.
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Old 4th-October-2016, 12:41 AM   #39
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I love music from the 60s-90s, like Stone Temple Pilots, Pink Floyd, Mudhoney, Sublime, etc.
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Some of the most blissful moments I ever experienced came from music. I couldn't live without it.
Agree. And the evidence is to the opposite; INTP's should be more likely to derive joy from music. AJ Drenth makes this exact point in his recent book The INTP Quest. Simple reason really; music is associated with our Fe inferior.

I listen every day, it's relax 'me time' in the evening, and during the day while I work (well when I work from home, not at work because I use open electrostatic headphones which are unfortunately too loud for the workplace.)
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Old 10th-October-2016, 02:09 AM   #41
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I use music as a tool to push me further in my current direction.

I absolutely love music but it has to very true raw music. Music thay comes from peoples hearts really strikes a chord with me....******************
Seriously though, music that you can literally hear people's souls spilling out.
I also believe that music is the universal language. It's amazing how music can be interpreted by multiple people to push them through whatever it is they are doing although they may be perceiving it in very different ways.

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Old 13th-October-2016, 06:13 PM   #42
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I don't believe that liking music and INTP are connected. If they were, I would say that INTPs probably like music more than the average bear, it can be a non-interactive way to express emotions. I have always had a strong interest in music, though I dislike dancing and making music is something I have generally sucked at. But, I have a huge record collection, go to shows and concerts, and have a musical family. Most of my friends are musician INFP/ENFP types who do it up every weekend jamming. Music has helped me form friendships and has been crucial to most of my relationships in general, either by common interest, or me using it to understand myself/the situation/them/the world ect.
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Old 29th-October-2016, 01:34 AM   #43
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I love music and have a huge collection of very diverse genres of music, and am always trying to discover new stuff. I also play guitar and piano. I'm not amazing at either of them but it truly gives me more joy than most things in life. At the same time though I will put off or procrastinate playing them, but once I do start playing them I am in my own world and hours go by without me realizing.

I never feel compelled to dance to music or sing along though, and probably half the music I have is instrumental anyway. Concerts are pretty "meh" to me as well. Too many loud drunk people, and terrible sound people who apparently think louder = better. I appreciate watching a "studio performance" with good sound and no/minimal crowd more than the clubs most bands play at.

On the other hand music is one of the ways I can connect socially with people. My tastes are too diverse and strange for anyone to like all of the same stuff as me, but I can usually find some common interests with most people musically. About the only stuff I truly can't stand is top 40 pop hits, because it is just so generic and predictable.

I found these searching for "INTP music" and it totally sounds like me:
https://www.quora.com/What-type-of-music-do-INTPs-like
http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html (about 4/5ths down the page)
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I have a brother who is INTP. He shuts himself away and plays classical music whenever he gets the chance. If you ask me, he has a deep appreciation for music, but I can tell that when he listens to it, it is not for sensory stimulation. I guess that he likes to imagine what the composer was thinking and feeling, as if the music were a puzzle. I don't know if he gets nostalgic about music from talking to him, although he does not seem like someone who is drawn to 'wear your heart on your sleeve' forms of expression. He keeps many journals for documenting his philosophical thoughts, so perhaps art somehow also inspires him in this way.
I can relate; I am an INTP as well and often listen to classical music for the very same reason. Classical music, in my opinion, can be very intellectually stimulating should you listen to the more complex pieces such as Gaspard De La Nuit and Dante's symphony.
I find that it helps me think, and that the complexity of it stimulates a deeper train of thought. In situations like these, my thought process begins to match that of the classical piece, and they will either flow more easily, or they will become chaotic and scattered.

Other times I imagine that I am the composer and can easily envision the emotions that surge through him; And occasionally, to such an extent that I can feel them myself, whether it be in waves of excitement or complete and utter despair.
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I am very enthusiastic about music. I prefer listening to music when I am alone, because I can focus better on the song. I also like to sing along when I am alone, altough I suck at it. I also wish I could play an instrument, but I don't have an opportunity to learn one at the moment. But if I could, I would go with guitar or piano.
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I find that music is what I turn to when I'm emotional/dealing with crap/angry. I'm not necessarily the talking type when it comes to that. Most people just project their own emotions onto you, and I have different values than a lot of people I know, and honestly talking doesn't help. Singing angry music does.

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What's the point...I actually like music greatly, maybe because I have no measurable reward.
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