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Old 22nd-April-2013, 03:55 AM   #1
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Old 22nd-April-2013, 07:15 AM   #2
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Any idea why / how ?
Had you been feeling a change happening in you lately?
Any different readings or new friends (possibly INTJs) in your life over the last few months ?
Can you tell you are using Ni instead of Ne ?

Personnally, the more i read Hegel (and i understand his way of thinking etc. which aint a small task...), the more i can tell i am developping Ni and the latent Judger in me...


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Old 22nd-April-2013, 12:36 PM   #3
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Any idea why / how ?
Had you been feeling a change happening in you lately?
Any different readings or new friends (possibly INTJs) in your life over the last few months ?
Can you tell you are using Ni instead of Ne ?
he answered one test question one bit more to the right or left than last time.
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Whatever ... because the tests focus on letters they're not especially accurate. And because people aren't good at self analysis - they answer more what they desire rather than how they've behaved, they answer poorly.

For examples I continually see Sensors testing as Intuitives, because they test in favor of their N inferior which is the attractor point. Plus we're all imaginative, right?
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I think they're so attracted to that inferior because its in the zeitgeist of the western world, you're supposed to be unique and individual.

In any case going from a P to having 53% J is just weird. How can you be sure that you're answering correctly now? How did this change from P to J come about? Do the change in function stacks make sense to you?

You're not giving us much to go on. Pointless thread atm.
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Old 22nd-April-2013, 09:13 PM   #7
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According to Personality Junkie, as INTPs mature, they get more and more confident, more and more productive, and so seem more and more like they have the positive qualities of INTJs. Likewise, as INTJs mature, they get more and more understanding of others, and more and more laid back, and so seem more and more like they have the positive qualities of INTPs
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According to Personality Junkie, as INTPs mature, they get more and more confident, more and more productive, and so seem more and more like they have the positive qualities of INTJs. Likewise, as INTJs mature, they get more and more understanding of others, and more and more laid back, and so seem more and more like they have the positive qualities of INTPs

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Whatever ... because the tests focus on letters they're not especially accurate. And because people aren't good at self analysis - they answer more what they desire rather than how they've behaved, they answer poorly.

For examples I continually see Sensors testing as Intuitives, because they test in favor of their N inferior which is the attractor point. Plus we're all imaginative, right?
Many people believe that Sensors are dullards who are stuck in the past and just do as they are told, and Intuitives are the smart people, who aren't afraid to break free of irrational convention and authority, and who look forwards to the future, and think of the new ideas that benefit humanity.

Personally, I doubt that, because the great unconventional inspiring thinkers in society in Jung's day, who were known as "the Creatives", were known to almost always suffer from horrible emotional and mental illnesses, that caused them to really cause themselves and their loved ones much suffering needlessly, and were as full of the most insanely crazy ideas, as they were inspired genius. Hence the term "tortured genius", because most people who used to be called geniuses, acted like they were being permanently tortured for much of their life.

If you were part of the working masses or the elite, you had a similar problem. Most were expected to "do their duty", to support the existing system, and that was what made most sense, as it made for the most stable income and the greatest security, for you, and for society overall. You didn't question, you followed orders, because society was, until very recently, threatended with crime, epidemics, regular attacks from wild animals, economic depressions, wars, famines, droughts, and much else, that threatened to overturn society at almost any moment, and the only thing holding things together, were people working together for a common cause, and that required everyone following the same instructions. Teamwork was vital, to survive, and teamwork means everyone following the accepted convention, even if it isn't the most efficient that it could be.

If you were one of the "creatives", you weren't like that, because you wanted to be like that. You weren't an artist, because you wanted to be one. You were an artist, because you couldn't even contemplate doing anything else. If you were a creative like Abel, you'd rather die of starvation than give up mathematics. If you were a thinker like Newton, or Cantor, you'd have seen that your experiments and mathematics, were slowly driving you insane. But, given the choice, you'd prefer the insanity of slow mental torture, than to deny your creative juices. It was that that simple.

We're incredibly lucky right now, because we finally have so much technology and so much infrastructure, that many people don't have to choose between talking about their ideas and being sensible. With the internet, we can do BOTH.

But you can still see the same dichotomy today, all over the place. MacDonald's and mental hospitals are full of mathematical geniuses who could have been successful accountants with great lives, if they'd only stuck to doing the sensible thing.

If you're successful in your life, maybe not with everything, but reasonably so for where you began from, from your 20s onwards, because you chose the sensible thing, and if you weren't, it was only because of a run of back luck, you're probably like most people. If you aren't successful, because you just couldn't keep your mouth shut from all your crazy ideas, and if you were successful, it was because you were incredibly lucky enough to have a run of things that allowed you to overcome all your inadequacies of almost never being able to do the sensible thing, and if you've become successful now, it's only from a LOT of hard work to overcome your intuition causing your major problems, you're probably one of the Creatives.

Whether Jung's Intuitives are the same as the Creatives, may be up for debate. But the above, certainly was the case for most of human history.
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That the "creativity" you speak of can be a double edged sword doesn't say anything regarding sensors.

Furthermore, no they were not all crazy the way you'd have em; moreover, what's with the completely arbitrary focus on the thinkers of Jungs days? If you're gonna prove a tendency of the human mind by means of history you have to account for all of it not just whatever slice best pertains to constitute your alleged proof.
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Old 22nd-April-2013, 11:46 PM   #10
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Agreed [MENTION=4818]scorpiomover[/MENTION] with your points.

In case it wasn't clear I was making a joke about that idea, that only intuitives have imagination. Of course we all have imagination, we all have it all actually. All letters, all functions within us. We just prefer the functions differently.
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Old 28th-April-2013, 06:53 AM   #11
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Are we basing that common sense sounding assumption on people taking the test before or after they are a tad bit educated on what the letters mean. I'm basing this off experience... But I like having people take the test without them knowing too much about it for what I've been considering to be best results. Is this not the case? It seems like if they know what the letters mean it'd be too easy to answer accordingly.
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I think they're so attracted to that inferior because its in the zeitgeist of the western world, you're supposed to be unique and individual.

In any case going from a P to having 53% J is just weird. How can you be sure that you're answering correctly now? How did this change from P to J come about? Do the change in function stacks make sense to you?

You're not giving us much to go on. Pointless thread atm.
If you look at his graph 53% J corresponds with 47% P meaning they are both quite close it could be that there isn't my difference between his Jness and Pness.

I know this is unpopular thought for some on this site but this would make him more INTx then INTP or INTJ. Basically one function doesn't dominate over the other. This is possibly quite healthy but MBTI does a poor job at recognizing this phenomenon but statistically speaking if there is a dividing line some logically speaking some people must actually be on the line or very close to it.

You could just ignore this is you are a MBTI purist or if you are a realist you could except that MBTI is an imperfect system and there are exceptions to the rule.
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Chad has a point: 3% lean is nothing.

There are 19 questions measuring each dichotomy, which means a 50% rating is impossible. Fifty three percent is the closest to zero effect you can get on this test. Don't make the mistake of inferring anything from this minute result on a terrible test.

If you want to actually figure out what you are, identify your functions. Luckily, INTP's and INTJ's share zero functions in their top four, so this should be easy to figure out.
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