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Old 11th-July-2017, 11:56 PM   #1
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Rank the professions according to their value (assuming all professionals have the same excellent proficiency in their job and same # of years experience):

Chemistry professor
Garbage man
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Electrician
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G man
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From least value to greatest or vice versa?
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1: Chemistry professor, police officer, electrician
2: garbage man

I base this on human capital. None of the professions on #1 could have done the job of any other within that group, but all of them could have done the job of the garbage man without needing to acquire new skills/knowledge.
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What kind of society are we talking about, and how are we defining value? Are we even talking about a society that values individuals based on their profession, because that seem pretty shitty. Oh wait..
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From least value to greatest or vice versa?
Greatest value to least.
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I dont like how this reeks of unrealistic generalization. The value of all of those folks is how they choose to go about it.

The police officer beats you to a pulp, the chemistry professor invents toxic food preservatives (anything preserving is actually suppressing organic vitality), the garbage man beats his son, the electrician misinforms you about the cheapest long term solution.

All i can say is that the garbage man has the least power to do evil, short of driving his truck into a crowd.

Also the garbage man will soon be replaced by a robot. In the longer run many electricians could become redundant, given an ideal world with resource based economy, with more compatible plug and play (less capitalist competition). Police officers should become less violent when we have basic income, but they will sort of always be around. The chemistry guy has the potential to totally own the future for good or worse - but only if he is really good.
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What kind of society are we talking about, and how are we defining value? Are we even talking about a society that values individuals based on their profession, because that seem pretty shitty. Oh wait..
I'd like to know how you perceive the value of these professions (not necessarily the individual person) according to how you define value in our current world and in your current life.
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Old 12th-July-2017, 12:29 AM   #9
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I dont like how this reeks of unrealistic generalization. The value of all of those folks is how they choose to go about it.

The police officer beats you to a pulp, the chemistry professor invents toxic food preservatives (anything preserving is actually suppressing organic vitality), the garbage man beats his son, the electrician misinforms you about the cheapest long term solution.

All i can say is that the garbage man has the least power to do evil, short of driving his truck into a crowd.

Also the garbage man will soon be replaced by a robot. In the longer run many electricians could become redundant, given an ideal world with resource based economy, with more compatible plug and play (less capitalist competition). Police officers should become less violent when we have basic income, but they will sort of always be around. The chemistry guy has the potential to totally own the future for good or worse - but only if he is really good.
What if they are all equally proficient at accomplishing their tasks without any extra motives or intentions? Simply successful at meeting the typical daily goal for their particular profession. Nothing more. Nothing less. Does that help?
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How do you gauge the value of a profession?
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I'd like to know how you perceive the value of these professions (not necessarily the individual person) according to how you define value in our current world and in your current life.
That's so fucking depressing I'll just put suicide as 1
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That's so fucking depressing I'll just put suicide as 1
Excellent point. I'll add suicide to the list next time.
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Nanook what do you think about the artists or musicians?
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My values are kosmocentric but also based on how conductive any activity is to evolutionary progress, relative to where its environment/circumstance is, relative to this situation coming near to manifesting kosmocentric values.

Therefore my values are not my "own" values, unless we talk about values behind my own actions, because only those happen in my own enviroment, circumstances and time. The value of Abe Lincoln (and thus his values) would be greatly reduced if he were time-traveled to the future.

What the hell are cosmocentric values then? Describing how they come about and why they are named that way could be a long essay (see Ken Wilber for that). To make it short: take everything into account: Not only sentient beings, also the supposedly dead matter that enables life. And time, thus the evolution of it all. Perhaps you can intuitively see, why its called kosmic.

Values have to be relative to possible actions, otherwise they are insane redundant egoic thoughts and therefore not valuable.

For instance suggesting i should be holy and am unworthy because i sinn is simply insane, because it is not true that i should be different from how i can possibly be. A true value guides a choice that i can make, chosing between a worse or lesser sin for instance.

If the quality of how a job is interpreted is not a real variable to be discussed (must be an uncreative job easily replaced by a robot), then what options are to be judged/decided upon here? Not doing the job at all? Replacing all police work with electrician work? Replacing both with robots? I see, its all about robo-cops with chemical weapons.
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Excellent point. I'll add suicide to the list next time.
If suicide is 1, the chemistry professor would be number 2 as he's been mislead all his life to believe some sciency profession would have value but in fact it's the physicists that get to swim in pussy
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I am little bit harsh in judging egoic illusion though. We go through decades of having delusional judgements or values, that do not apply to actual options of ourselves or anyone else. And there is evolutionary value to this insanity. It is that it is a practice of or display of evolution of neurology. Eventually we learn where judgement can be applied and were it can not be applied. The world would just be a much more loving and peaceful place, if we were aware of the subjectivity or illusory quality of those mental exercises. Instead we call it politics or jurisdiction.
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Rank the professions according to their value (assuming all professionals have the same excellent proficiency in their job and same # of years experience):

Chemistry professor
Garbage man
Police officer
Electrician
Police officer, garbage man, electrician, then chemistry professor.
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Since I have no idea what values means here I'll go with this list:

1. Electrician - no electricity means no interwebs means sad Pyro :(
2. Garbage man - because I can only tolerate so much trash in the apartment
3. Police officer - because I don't like getting mugged but that's like my personal opinion
4. Chemistry professor - for causing me pain during college
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Since I have no idea what values means here I'll go with this list:

1. Electrician - no electricity means no interwebs means sad Pyro :(
2. Garbage man - because I can only tolerate so much trash in the apartment
3. Police officer - because I don't like getting mugged but that's like my personal opinion
4. Chemistry professor - for causing me pain during college
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potatoes save lives
they feed hungry people
just remember the potato famine in Ireland. (all potatoes killed)
potatoes are heroes.

I cannot think of any job that's value can be rated higher.
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Why not use the value of your assets to judge profession and individual worth? I mean...we already do it, wouldn't have to change anything.
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The lowest level must be For art critics and human resource people. For they just give society opinions.
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We live in a time when taxi drivers might have PHDs. Is that un/fair?

Equality is a very subjective thing, the political philosophies of communism and capitalism are essentially a difference in the accepted definition of equality.

If I win a race by catching a taxi to the finish line was I not the fastest, did I not get there first, does it matter that my "victory" wasn't the result of physical effort? If it's a competition of physical effort why do we congratulate the naturally athletically gifted more than those with less capable bodies when the cripple who came last clearly exerted the most effort?

True equality is, paradoxically, that which is most unfair.
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Rank the professions according to their value (assuming all professionals have the same excellent proficiency in their job and same # of years experience):

Chemistry professor
Garbage man
Police officer
Electrician
1. trashman, sparky, da popo

4. chemical brofessor

1. someone gotta pick up da poop, someone gotta make da sparks dat make fingz go, someone gotta catch da bad boyz

4. ain't nobody got time fo dat
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left brain cant pull its head out of its ass. lets get over these insane dualities.

why don't you just recreate cultural reality from scratch and this time do it properly, based on understanding the involved structures. none of that winning loosing playing psychopathy is allowed. nobody has deserved to get the short hand of a stick or to be used up beyond his ability to regenerate.

we are organic creatures who have requirements. just use technology and teamwork to meet those requirements. in a sane philosophy or resource and nature based economy, the word fairness can only refer to the appropriateness of activities and food, relative to the organism. its fair to feed fruit to a frugivore and unfair to feed him grains. this thinking does not involve any psychotic comparison with birds. just because it was unfair to feed bananas to your bird does not suddenly make it only fair to also feed grains to your monkey. and its in no way fair to assign their kind of food via lottery.

communism my ass.
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o·pin·ion
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Why are opinions of less value? Is it dependant on the topic or is it opinions across the board? Don't advancements and changes begin with opinions?

Being an ESFJ, opinions are very important to me. They help guide me. I admit, I'd like to learn to become more balanced in this area but I still see value in subjective thoughts. I think because of what it leads to. Not wholly bc of the initial subjective thought itself. Maybe the key is what is done with the opinion. ?
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the garbage man could make a raft by securely strapping the electrician to the chemistry professor, then use the police officer to maintain order whilst using their baton as a crude oar to help him sail to whichever of the garbage islands that float in earth's oceans he calls home
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o·pin·ion
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Why are opinions of less value? Is it dependant on the topic or is it opinions across the board? Don't advancements and changes begin with opinions?

Being an ESFJ, opinions are very important to me. They help guide me. I admit, I'd like to learn to become more balanced in this area but I still see value in subjective thoughts. I think because of what it leads to. Not wholly bc of the initial subjective thought itself. Maybe the key is what is done with the opinion. ?
It is not the same some scientists giving opinions in a research to some snobs trying to uplift a painting or thinking they can catch some essence unavailable for most mortals and then making it a trend.
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o·pin·ion
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Why are opinions of less value? Is it dependant on the topic or is it opinions across the board? Don't advancements and changes begin with opinions?

Being an ESFJ, opinions are very important to me. They help guide me. I admit, I'd like to learn to become more balanced in this area but I still see value in subjective thoughts. I think because of what it leads to. Not wholly bc of the initial subjective thought itself. Maybe the key is what is done with the opinion. ?
My wife is ESFJ and she very much cares about everyone's feelings. It's hard to get an ESFJ to say anything negative about someone they don't know personally. Drives me nuts sometimes because I do not filter what I think. The answer is it depends on where the profit is. Time is money and we can't get that back. I personally feel that any of those jobs are interchangeable. A garbage man or a professor they are both not to my standards of living. I love building my own businesses then expanding those out. I absolutely love learning but I prefer stuff I can apply to help reach my goals. I am an INTJ mbti and 8w7 enneagram. It's about goal acquisition and staying on course. All of the above jobs hold no weight with me.
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