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Old 4th-January-2017, 09:43 PM   #1
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Is anything moving alive?
Yes, everything is alive. You remain alive throughout death and have been alive.
Death isn't death, it's just another form of existence.
You have always been in the universe, you have traveled the universe and were there during the infancy.
You have lived with the dinosaurs, been in the clouds existing as a cloud, you have been part of your mother and part of your father.
The experience you are having, known as life will always continue, and nothing ever disappears.
The processes of the universe are always ongoing, even after everything has become stagnant, it will still live on.
Why become god, when god is everything, god is the universe.
Can you communicate with elements? No, but you know they exist, because they have measurability. You have measurability, too.
God is in you, in trash, in computers, in the moon, in black holes.
He doesn't have to communicate, communication isn't always necessary to live.
Being alive is just as important as being dead, being dead is just as important as being alive. It is equal.
Happiness and sadness are the same emotion. Every emotion is the same emotion, which is motion.
In order to become the universe, you need to be the universe, which you have been, which is why you experience life, to return yourself back into the universe after you experience it.
You possess everything that is in the universe, because everyone is the universe.
The animals, the trees, pollution, cars, stars, lava, thoughts, technology, mathematics, everything is already here.
The only thing that is measurable in the universe that isn't real, is time.
God is just as real as he isn't real.
Life is the universe in action, even when it isn't in action. It still is alive.
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This feels like Coelho/Chopra level crap...looks like random string of words that are (superficially) soothing but don't really mean anything.
But then again if you find the "i am made of star stuff, I am one with the universe" shtick comforting then good for you. It never really lent any comfort to me
How are sadness and happiness the same and what do you mean by emotion is a "motion"?
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This is stepping outside of my basic analysis of my senses and letting my intuition take the microphone, fully. Just like whoever wrote the bible, it was his description of the afterlife. Take it for what it's worth.
Christianity to me, is crap. So this may be crap to you. Enjoy, sorry if i wasted your time. At least it was soothing, which is better than getting scared into hell.

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Movement of the mind, desires, or passions; mental act, or
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Isn't this like saying blue and red are the same colour?
No, it is saying that they're both colors. We favor happiness and shun depression. They're both very important tools for life.

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I would say that things which are biologically alive have a greater significance in their environment than the dead things
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Ithe brain is the most complex, significant part of the environment).
As humans, we respect things that are complex, because we get to analyze them. Any true intellectual will value the simpler aspects over the complexities.

Complexities need reduction, when it is simplified, it grows stronger.
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Happiness and sadness are the same emotion. Every emotion is the same emotion, which is motion.
Isn't this like saying blue and red are the same colour?

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Being alive is just as important as being dead, being dead is just as important as being alive. It is equal.
I would say that things which are biologically alive have a greater significance in their environment than the dead things, relative to mass. They are more in motion, and the signals in the brain produce a focal point of the environment (which is part of why we are conscious - everything is conscious, but the brain is the most complex, significant part of the environment).
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No, it is saying that they're both colors. We favor happiness, and shun depression. They're both very important tools for life. Living in happiness is for delusional extroverted fucks. Living in sadness is for the "emo" high school kids that no one understands. Understanding that they're both critical to the aspects and angles of our universe.
Ok, then yeah I agree that all emotions have value. It's not about cultivating one emotion while lessening the others, but understanding the role each one plays.
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My rock pet was sad yesterday so I throw it to the sea, now it is happy because it used to be a fish.
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My rock pet was sad yesterday so I throw it to the sea, now it is happy because it used to be a fish.
You did a solid. I'm sure he will enjoy the ocean.
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Go throw yourself off a bridge and become the universe.
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Did i find the meaning of life?
Probably not, but I admire the effort and if it works for you then it might as well be the real deal (which is the most important thing).
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Probably not, but I admire the effort and if it works for you then it might as well be the real deal (which is the most important thing).
It's basically a nice way thinking about going back into nothing, and it has balance in the meaning.


Kind of like Celene Dion's song in titanic!
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I don't think this answers any meaning, just states an assertion?
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I don't think this answers any meaning, just states an assertion?
I think everyone is missing the key element here, that is...

life has no meaning.

I am trying to have the view point of the universe.
Not a human's.
I've never heard someone disassociate out of their skin and into the view point of the universe.
Try it.

All other religions disassociate out of humans into a human-like-god.
Which shows INTPs wrote all religion. Imagine INTPs without science! (Non-Egyptian, because those guys were on point with mathematics and discoveries, even though they had religion)
Always trying to find the answers and documenting their thoughts.
This is my first crack at it.. maybe i'll become a fictional writer.
The bible seems pretty bad, maybe I'll have a shot at becoming a recognized idol that people wear as jewelry.
My religion doesn't require a bound book either, not even 2 pages if you use medium sized font.
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I think everyone is missing the key element here, that is...

life has no meaning
If the key element is that life has no meaning, then why claim to have found the meaning of life?
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If the key element is that life has no meaning, then why claim to have found the meaning of life?
You're driving emphasis off the word meaning by using it twice. This makes your question appear as a double negative. When the terms "no meaning" and "meaning" are used in the same sentence, it will mislead you.

The meaning of life= the answer or reason in which we live.
The answer= there is no purpose.
Answer is still answered, without causing any problems.
See how rewording will solve that?
When discussing the poetry on life that initiated this thread was worded in the way that it was, can be substituted with a summary.

If you look at the rhythm of the poetry, everything cancels out into 100% balance.
Everything is equal. This is driving the validity of my poetry with you asking this question, almost as yin and yang. To balance the scale of meaning wouldn't you need no meaning? This would conclude as; the meaning contains no meaning.
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Still, you said you found a meaning, then said that there isn't one.

You pretty much asked a question, and then gave "there is no answer" as the answer.

If there was no difference between anything, there would be nothing but that one thing, and many things have differences.
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It is Mass and Energy. Back and forth forever. An atom is an atom, a universe is a universe, you cannot create one nor destroy one. So the universe has just so many atoms, a built in system. Us humans are simply atoms, elements. Elements do not go nowhere, they hang around to infinity, eternality. That's a long time. Why? Not a clue. Why life? Why gravity? Not a clue!
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It is Mass and Energy. Back and forth forever. An atom is an atom, a universe is a universe, you cannot create one nor destroy one. So the universe has just so many atoms, a built in system. Us humans are simply atoms, elements. Elements do not go nowhere, they hang around to infinity, eternality. That's a long time. Why? Not a clue. Why life? Why gravity? Not a clue!
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When I was writing this, I was just typing.. really not even thinking.
Before I knew it, I had 1/2 of what is posted finished... then I got kind of frightened.
It was like I was chanting words.
This is the strongest feeling of intuition I've ever experienced.
-Keep in mind, I have bad memory. So this may be an overstatement, It gave me peace writing it.
And it made sense to me after I read it, this is one of my only posts on here that I haven''t had to edit. That's a pretty cool accomplishment. No editing/ reduce & clarify/ grammar issues. etc.

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Let me put it simply: We are apes. Primates. The meaning of our lives is to pass on our genetic code. We have however become complex enough that some units have decided that passing on the genetic code is old beans and all that, therefore minecraft, music, philosophy, forums or whatever else ye choose as your primary habit of leisure becomes your primary goal come wakesies (Meanwhile back at the ranch, you still make a living to gain food and a cozy habitat, all with your hindbrain shouting "Why are ye tossing about on the 'puter!?").

The simple truth is this: Poorer humans, humans that struggle more to survive, produce more children. We have reached a point where many many children are produced(medicines, less war etc.) So... should humans fuck less, or should the intelligent fuck more?

Once you ride a scrambler into an electric fence or a stand of sickle bush, once you barely evade the fangs of a mfezi or survive some other calamity you will know: You want to survive. Screws the rocks and the bees and the bottle flies. Aye, they have their beauty, they have their uses, but they are not apes.

You are ape. So act like one or end your genetic lineage so that this self-doubting loop is not replicated in future generations. Nothing more to it really.

(Funny thing is, people who start to question the universe make less babies. One can state this as: animals that start doubting that they are animals(in the abstract ie. non-scientific sense) produce less animals. I am exploring this field of thought as abject proof of a corrective measure that our evolutionary course has taken. Whether this corrective measure will stop us from eradicating productive and self-corrective habitats remains to be seen, the past 300 years of history points to a grimmer future but who knows. Captain communist may still come sweeping in with a one-child policy that will secure a balance between our collective expansion and our reliance on other species)

Never forget that you are an animal. All this wishy washy shite about planets and rocks and life having no meaning is the lone cry of a beaten wolf with nothing left to do but beat itself of (Or at least an organism that doubts its intrinsic organismy functions)

Aye, humans are complex and especially in urban spheres meaning can be bought or imagined, but at the bottom of your very soul-cells you should know that a pig wearing lipstick be still a pig.
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This feels like Coelho/Chopra level crap...looks like random string of words that are (superficially) soothing but don't really mean anything.
This.
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Let me put it simply: We are apes. Primates. The meaning of our lives is to pass on our genetic code. We have however become complex enough that some units have decided that passing on the genetic code is old beans and all that, therefore minecraft, music, philosophy, forums or whatever else ye choose as your primary habit of leisure becomes your primary goal come wakesies (Meanwhile back at the ranch, you still make a living to gain food and a cozy habitat, all with your hindbrain shouting "Why are ye tossing about on the 'puter!?").

The simple truth is this: Poorer humans, humans that struggle more to survive, produce more children. We have reached a point where many many children are produced(medicines, less war etc.) So... should humans fuck less, or should the intelligent fuck more?

Once you ride a scrambler into an electric fence or a stand of sickle bush, once you barely evade the fangs of a mfezi or survive some other calamity you will know: You want to survive. Screws the rocks and the bees and the bottle flies. Aye, they have their beauty, they have their uses, but they are not apes.

You are ape. So act like one or end your genetic lineage so that this self-doubting loop is not replicated in future generations. Nothing more to it really.

(Funny thing is, people who start to question the universe make less babies. One can state this as: animals that start doubting that they are animals(in the abstract ie. non-scientific sense) produce less animals. I am exploring this field of thought as abject proof of a corrective measure that our evolutionary course has taken. Whether this corrective measure will stop us from eradicating productive and self-corrective habitats remains to be seen, the past 300 years of history points to a grimmer future but who knows. Captain communist may still come sweeping in with a one-child policy that will secure a balance between our collective expansion and our reliance on other species)

Never forget that you are an animal. All this wishy washy shite about planets and rocks and life having no meaning is the lone cry of a beaten wolf with nothing left to do but beat itself of (Or at least an organism that doubts its intrinsic organismy functions)

Aye, humans are complex and especially in urban spheres meaning can be bought or imagined, but at the bottom of your very soul-cells you should know that a pig wearing lipstick be still a pig.

Solid statement, I'll agree with your opinion. Thanks for the input.

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Still, you said you found a meaning, then said that there isn't one.

You pretty much asked a question, and then gave "there is no answer" as the answer.

If there was no difference between anything, there would be nothing but that one thing, and many things have differences.
Relativity, nigga.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that he was still processing the implications of this and hadn't fully articulated it: http://intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=560927&postcount=6

Within the context provided in the OP, the meaning is that which you (or whatever component part) produce. Outside of context on the universal scale, there isn't any.
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I think your perception of the meaning of life can be shaped by learning. The more one learns the more one discovers, and the more one discovers the more one can explore the countless possibilities that existence has to offer.

Think about it like this, the more you learn the more ways you can try to answer questions such as "what's the meaning of life". When one says "life is meaningless" you're extracting meaning out of the abyss of information and your suffering. In other words, whether you reach the conclusion that "life is love" or that "life is meaningless" you're trying extract meaning out of life, not necessarily an "objective" one. The very process of extracting meaning, whether good or bad, embeds your own subjectivity into your conclusion. Our perception is limited by the many things we don't know, so how can a nihilistic interpretation be more 'objective' if it ignores all the things that we don't know ?

From my experience, the nihilistic interpretation a) drains your energy b) suspends any kind of responsibility you have on yourself c) makes all your actions seem 'pointless' to you d) allows your mind to give you more ways why it's all pointless (e.g a comet might destroy the earth in 100 yrs/ a pandemic can happen/ ....etc), thus, reaffirming your previous assumption it's meaningless even more e) gives you a comforting sense of intellectual superiority over the "naive masses" without needing to learn anything new. That's how it was for me at least ....

I'm not an expert in brain physiology but this way of thinking can reduce your serotonin levels in the brain, potentially leading to (or worsening) the depression and contributing to social isolation. Following the nihilistic narrative can also reduce your dopamine secretion in the reward center of the brain potentially causing you to lose interest in things you previously found rewarding. Thus, the nihilistic axioms (which are partly subjective) and your brain physiology might both contribute to one another potentially contributing to self destructive behavior. Again, what I've just described stems only from my experiences. It may differ from one person to another.

Learning new things and doing things you hadn't done before might both alter your brain physiology and your perspective on life. This process is gradual and takes time, but the way I see it we primates aren't evolutionarily equipped to have an "objective" understanding of the cosmos. Therefore, perhaps instead of asking unanswerable questions like "what's the meaning of life" and hitting ourselves on the head when we can't come up with an answer that is "just right", perhaps we should ask ourselves what are the things we find meaningful to do and how can we incorporate these things into our daily lives.

If thinking up with an answer to the latter question is difficult, perhaps it's time to start exploring new things or revisiting your old interests. Just a thought .....

All what I've been describing is based on my experience. It ultimately depends on what's true to you ....
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I think that to a large extent, learning is itself the meaning of life. Or, not necessarily learning, but having new experiences which have never been had. I think these new experiences are in a sense stored in our atoms/spirit, and the build up over eternity (so this store currently contains all experiences of our projected past, with the most recent experiences having a larger component.

There is a link to MBTI here: the N types generally prefer learning and new experiences, whereas the S types tend to prefer to stick to the experiences that they already know are good. However, I don't think that this means that Ns inherently get more out of life, rather this is just a reflection of that principle expressed through personality, and S types are picking up lots of data and so naturally lots of new kinds of data will be there too.

I've had times where I've understood this aspect of life better, or at least had more to say on it because it was fresh in my mind, but generally my flights of thought are lost to me after I had them apart from some few key aspects. Whatever I thought previously, I still believe it highly important to make new formations out of the data we are given to process - our spirit evolves more swiftly this way.

It is important, therefore, to make the most of things and to use any opportunity to create and understand, to input and output. Of course, one may be creative in how to do this, and a monk meditating for hours on end in the same position is learning a lot too - they are learning about the complex structure that is the human brain, and the environment itself is too complex to ever truly be comprehensively understood. There are endless possibilities, and the best part is that those possibilities truly are endless (if not indeed infinite). Of course, our own life is where we are now and hence what our main focus should be on (which I am not implying that we ignore effects on the world by any means, they are equally important and have to be considered).
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Our perception of meaning is linked to our perception of happiness, although meaning is the more big picture version. So, we probably derive meaning from the same excitation of chemicals that we derive happiness such as dopamine (reward), serotonin (achievement), oxytocin (affection), adrenaline (risk-taking), endocannabinoids (bliss), endorphins (pain-free) and GABA (peace).

I can see the appeal to a view in which meaning is derived from our position in the community - our connections and activities within it. Certainly, spirituality provides us with a narrative in which our life is given a place, and connection with friends allows us to not focus so much on ourselves and to not feel so alone, while work gives us something to direct our time and efforts into.

Productive activity - Thinking
Connection with others - Feeling
Spirituality - Intuition
Physical enjoyment - Sensing

These things allow us to tie ourselves to something ultimately separate from ourselves, and to hence find purpose to ourselves through being linked with it. Ultimately, it is wise to find fulfillment beyond one's circumstances and beliefs, to alter who we really are to function at a higher level at all times. Meditation (linked to spirituality foremost, however need not be accompanied by any particular belief) is a good way to achieve this.
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I think that to a large extent, learning is itself the meaning of life. Or, not necessarily learning, but having new experiences which have never been had. I think these new experiences are in a sense stored in our atoms/spirit, and the build up over eternity (so this store currently contains all experiences of our projected past, with the most recent experiences having a larger component.
I can relate to much of what you're saying.

What's also interesting is that our hippo-campus (the part of the brain associated with memory) suppresses our amygdala (part of the brain related to fear and anxiety) whenever we encounter familiar situations. So the hippo-campus sort of tells the amygdala sth like "relax, remember when we encountered something similar to this at one time, we can do sth similar to the thing we did last time so no worries ...". So the amygdala gets inhibited and we don't become anxious or afraid. If unfamiliar situations, however, get encountered our hippo-campus fails to remedy our sense of anxiety. It has no past experiences to use and it fails to inhibit or suppress the activity of the amygdala. The inability to either make predictions nor understand the dynamic and complex nature of the world can create a sense of anxiety, which the hippo-campus fails to remedy (because it's too complex and unfamiliar). Since almost all axioms and assumptions can be challenged and have a level of uncertainty within them, questioning one's own assumptions or having a traumatic experience causes the amygdala to start to work on overdrive and the poor hippo-campus to no longer be able to find the right past experiences or memories to calm the amygdala down. This makes the person follow the next best solution to remedy this anxiety.

In nihilism, the "mega" axiom that remedies the short term anxiety of amygdala is the statement: "Life is meaningless". The reason this statement can be depressive, yet intoxicating for some at the same time, is because it can suppress the anxiety of the amygdala to the point of passivity. Not only that but it can remove the need to do anything about anything. Every time one hears something that might provoke the emotions of fear and anxiety, the thought that "Life is meaningless" can come to the rescue from your hippocampus, inhibiting your amygdala and offering temporary suppression of anxiety. If this happens again and again, you may repeatedly use the "Life is meaningless" statement as your shield and end up strengthening these "nihilistic neural connections" even more. Gradually, you end up predisposed to conjure up that same old motto from your subconscious. The hippocampus isn't evolutionarily designed nor does it know the implications that repeating that statement might have on the conscious being as a whole. It's partly designed to inhibit the amygdala when you get anxious and to remind you of what you did previously so that you don't get killed by the things that scare you (among other things). Thus, the hippocampus thinks it did it's job right when it suppresses your amygdala without caring how. The poor hippocampus thus thinks that repeating calming, potentially self-defeating and desensitizing nihilistic statements is a good enough. Eventually, one might become desensitized to everything, especially if the hippo-campus works like crazy to inhibit the amygdala by bashing the same motto again and again. Your frontal cortex (and parietal lobe I think) give you more patterns that prove your original "mega" axiom and you might start reshaping your intuition in a nihilistic direction. Of course, this is probably extremely simplified to the point it can be misleading because there are always other parts involved and many unknowns, but I think the "main idea" or "pattern" described here might actually have some truth to it. My use of brain parts can be considered as metaphors that grounded in or based on some scientific evidence. I wonder if a model such as this could be incorporated into the Sensor vs Intuitive difference you described earlier ......

When I say "mega" axiom, I'm not implying that the statement "Life is meaningless" is some form of higher truth but that you can fit it anywhere or anytime you face negative or anxiety provoking things and you can interpret it in as many ways you want. In other words, the statement is so fluid that it's hard to grab it by the horn and disprove it, particularly when you're feeling bad or when you don't care anymore.
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Our perception of meaning is linked to our perception of happiness, although meaning is the more big picture version. So, we probably derive meaning from the same excitation of chemicals that we derive happiness such as dopamine (reward), serotonin (achievement), oxytocin (affection), adrenaline (risk-taking), endocannabinoids (bliss), endorphins (pain-free) and GABA (peace).
The chemical materials in our brain can make us experience pain, fear, pleasure ...etc automatically whether we want to attach meaning to them or not. If we get traumatized or suffer from loss, we can experience anger and frustration whether it be as rare explosions of anger waves or continuous pain. Therefore, shouldn't the existence of these chemicals by itself and our knowledge of the influence these chemicals have on our perception make us classify that major nihilistic assumption as highly questionable. Also, the statement itself might be classified as paradoxical. Making the claim that life has no meaning is a form of extracting meaning out of the complexity or the abyss of existence. In other words, one implicitly is embedding his own subjectivity into the the seemingly "objective" claim. Though I'm starting to repeat myself now ...

Perhaps the key is to use our frontal cortex (the decision maker, and thinker) to monitor the way our hippo-campus attempts to sooth our anxious amygdala. Perhaps, it needs to change the hippo-campus's attitude. Maybe it needs to tell the hippo-campus that feeding the amygdala intoxicating and anesthetizing phrases might not be very good for the future of the entire organism. How can it do so ?

Here's, perhaps, where learning might come to our aid. Learning and experiencing new things can drastically reshape our neural connections. Not only might learning and experiencing new things reduce the probability of one having nihilistic thoughts (by altering the nihilistic predisposition of the subconscious), but it might also allow for the incorporation of new experiences, adding new memories to your hippocampus and constantly altering the "patterns" your frontal and parietal lobes makes you aware of when you think about things. You, therefore, gradually get more diverse ideas to play with and more things to think about instead of the self defeating routine motto you were originally bombarding yourself with. Your reward center of the brain starts to get flushed with dopamine as you come up with new creative applications of what you learn. This allows you to, as the zen monks say, "live in the present moment". Furthermore, as you learn more things you might become lucky enough to realize that some axioms (that didn't originally "fit" in theory or in your head) are still meaningful, and possibly therapeutic, despite of your inability to understand why they are so. Thus, you may seriously attempt to find an explanation for why some of these axioms are useful and after some exploration and pondering you might stumble upon a hidden pattern or a good explanation that "fits" within the major network of patterns you perceive life through. You might have never stumbled upon such an explanation had you remained trapped in the nihilistic loop. Discovering such hidden jewels from the matrix of reality requires time, experience and curiosity. However, it is in the mystery of the present moment that maybe, just maybe, lies something fundamentally missing from the nihilistic narrative. Perhaps a balance should be made between living in the present and pondering about the past and future.
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These things allow us to tie ourselves to something ultimately separate from ourselves, and to hence find purpose to ourselves through being linked with it. Ultimately, it is wise to find fulfillment beyond one's circumstances and beliefs, to alter who we really are to function at a higher level at all times. Meditation (linked to spirituality foremost, however need not be accompanied by any particular belief) is a good way to achieve this.
An extra point is that through learning you can alter what your hippo-campus tells your amygdala. That's the

That's an insightful approach. Different forms of meditation can also increase the power that our frontal cortex has over our sometimes mischievous hippocampus. There's evidence that meditation
helps increase synaptic connections in the frontal cortex allowing the person to gain a better sense of self-control. There's also evidence that it decreases stress (as everyone probably knows). What's also interesting is that meditation is another way through which one can live in the present moment.

I had attempted to use some psychological observations with some scientific grounding in the description (due to how I'm conditioned) but regardless of the different metaphors we're using, it seems to me that we're essentially trying to strive to the same thing. That sense of harmony that comes from living in the now and that we're neither conscious enough of nor linguistically equipped to describe adequately yet (if ever?). It's essentially a state of being that you are referring to, if my understanding is correct ....

There are indeed infinite possibilities out there, hiding from us behind the dark veil of nihilism. Perhaps the major question is, are we brave enough look at what's beyond it ????

I think our newly acquired knowledge and experiences (that come from learning) can push us, slowly but surely, to a position where we can see glimpses of what's behind the veil. At that boundary one might re-frame the question of "What's the meaning of life ?" into an answerable one and that is "What do I find meaningful in my life ? And how might I be able to make that thing part of my and the collective reality ?" When you proceed to "live" and "experience" the answer of the latter question, you might be surprised to realize that the former question is no longer as haunting and troublesome as it once seemed to you .....


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PS: Sorry for splitting this into 3 posts, my Ni kept going
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I think that Se types have a well developed thalamus. The thalamus controls cortical arousal. The ability to control how aroused you are determines the amount detail you are aware of as your neocortex learns to see and hear. Autism is overstimulation from noise in the synapses and this is why sensory stimulus is too much for them. This is a distraction and uneven learning in the cortex takes place. The context in Autism has too many neurons and it is all bunged together. Se types are super visual and acoustic. They remember allot because the arousal burns into the visual and auditory systems what they see and hear. The difference between autism and Se types is the control of arousal. Autism has little control.

Si types by Carl Jung's observations is more hallucinatory deformed and Grotesk. Si is not crisp and clear like Se. Ni is narrow focused and Se is broad. Si is narrow focused and Ne is broad. Pi is convergent and Pe is divergent. In operation (Pe > Pi). In my dreams, I do not have a single focus my dreams have all sorts of novelty in them. My subconscious is filled with Ne possibility, Si consolidates them down into one dream reality. Ni types have dreams with one theme. They can control their dreams and see visions derived from Se learning. (Ne-Si) dreams are hyperdimensional DMT Picasso, (Ni-Se) dreams are Michelangelo, The Birth of Venus - Wikipedia.

When I had my vision of my Anima she was made of light. It a dream vision. I do not dream that way normally, it was my accessing Ni that in not my normal perceptual preference.

Fi types like Se types can control how they feel. Fi types can make themselves super attached or super detached. Si types remember facts more than details and are not as cortically aroused.

I am not too sure what this all has to do with meaning but it was in my mind.
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An extra point is that through learning you can alter what your hippo-campus tells your amygdala.
I'm someone with quite pervasive anxiety, especially social anxiety. It's as if, through habitually staying quiet around people, that social situations themselves are almost as a default unfamiliar. Given that engaging well with others is such a daunting hurdle which I've yet to properly cross over, things tend to remain in the same sad state.

Rather than the phrase "life is meaningless", I sometimes tell myself that there is no such thing as bad, only varying degrees of good. It's actually very similar to the nihilistic outlook, except that it's optimistic and still provides room to move. But basically, it also is going to reduce fear by implying that fear is an unnecessary state to be in. I've in the past gotten quite impulsive when I temporarily freed myself from the fear of making mistakes, and so I have not come to the point of properly dealing with my anxiety.

So, certainly I must be sending faulty signals to myself. The embarrassment that I often feel when I do speak up is reinforcing the habit of not speaking up. The fear of blundering is crippling. I now am getting into the habit of focusing on my breathing when my thoughts become unpleasant, or doing so just for the sake of it. I plan to meditate much more intensively once I get more privacy.

I'd like to know just what message to tell myself to overcome this social anxiety. It seems to not be something that I can solve through effort alone, and so I expect to come across some handy tricks that I can repeat to myself and which will drastically reduce the burden.
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Wtf is this thread?

Matter and energy cannot be created or destructed, only transformed, that's true... but that's for atoms only, you cannot exist as a cloud, I mean, we don't even understand how we became rational and selfconscious, and you're telling me this new age thing?

To be more scientific, we are all made of stars, and old star before the sun that exploded in a novae loooong ago, and from that elements the solar system was made.

But was the star alive?
Nope.

Til now, life is just an accident is this little planet, and until we discover life outside this planet (I think that there is out there, but space is so huuuuuge that we may not be able to even know that exists). Maybe my some of my atoms were part of a cow (because I eat meat), and before from grass, and before soil, and so on... but I am I, I wasn't the cow or the grass, or the soil.

New age is bulls**t.
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Oh, and the meaning of life? There is no meaning for it. Just live, because someday, you'll die. And we don't know what's next. Maybe nothing.

The only meaning for us is the one we create. If I think that my meaning in life is to be a scientist, so be it, but I wasn't born to be so, I decided it.
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Here we are in the universe, a living organism, existence, a single entity, a moving entity. Our main function in the maintenance of our life, the organism's survival. That means purposeful action, I mean to keep from dying, to keep existing.
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Purpose is purely perceptive. Therefore our purpose is to find our purpose in both pragmatics if you were to emphasize eastern ideals of identity and also simply as an implication of the nature of perception. It's the only solution I have been able to find that works, as of yet. Meaning is similar, the act of giving yourself meaning, gives yourself meaning.
I can't be bothered to explain myself so be free to challenge me on this.
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