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Old 8th-August-2017, 02:53 PM   #1
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Who's watching? Episode 4 was pretty good. I really want to see the White Walkers come out and start owning..
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I have not been as much of a fan through seasons 5&6, I feel like the more they go "off book" the sloppier and more generalized the writing becomes. (I'm not even an ASOIAF reader, you can just tell from the dialogue style and plot jumps how things have changed.)

However, I agree that s07e04 is easily the best episode of Season 7 and was fairly enjoyable, especially the ending sequence despite the tactical naivety. it pretty much panned out as I expected, in terms of outcome.... dragons are so badass. The effects were really nice. I was just shaking my head the whole time... the poor bastards, they did not stand a chance.
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I'm not really into GoT but I see episodes when I have really nothing to do, I was expecting the 7th season to see how the Lannisters would be like damn and looking for a Snow-Daenerys alliance.

Idk if that's already happened (I only saw the first of the seventh), but if catch the episodes on hbo I may watch them.

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Ah, spoilers, but that hasn't happened yet. Dany's all like BEND THE KNEE 24/7
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Haven't started watching yet. I think I've enjoyed all the conspiracy talk more than the actual show for the last few seasons.
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I'm with Jenny on this one. There is something odd going on with the series. RR. Martin, What you're doing?. I loved these books when they came out. The twist and turns. Now. Unless every main character dies an horrible death in the next few episodes. I'm afraid this series cannot be saved. This series needs to end as shitty as it begun. As it is it's beginning to feel like a slow moving train, like most other stuff that is aired on tv.

I need surprises, If I'm going to be bothered downloading more episodes.
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I'm with Jenny on this one. There is something odd going on with the series. RR. Martin, What you're doing?. I loved these books when they came out. The twist and turns. Now. Unless every main character dies an horrible death in the next few episodes. I'm afraid this series cannot be saved. This series needs to end as shitty as it begun. As it is it's beginning to feel like a slow moving train, like most other stuff that is aired on tv.

I need surprises, If I'm going to be bothered downloading more episodes.
Well, like I said, the problem is not Martin currently. They have been off-book now for a number of episodes, the show runners are writing the episodes and it is no longer an adaptation.

The expectation is that the story will get to the same place as Martin's books (with the most major plot points preserved), but they're no longer using Martin's dialogue or detailed level of plotting because Martin has not yet published the books.

I don't think Martin would have ever written the last bit of what happened Sunday night, which was one of those things that the "Better Call Saul" crew called a jerkaround / fake peril just meant to tease the audience. I think if Martin actually wrote that scene, you-know-who would be dead -- because much of the time that a horrible thing happened to a character, it was because they actually did do something stupid/foolhardy due to some characteristic weakness of theirs (with Ned, it was his idealism; Oberyn, his obsession with exposing the Lannisters for the murder of his sister and kids; and all the others? Yeah, same thing.)

(You even have another character calling this character a "fucking idiot" watching them do this characteristic but stupid thing.)

I'm actually interested in reading Martin's take on all this once he publishes because I want to see how much more tightly things would have fit together and where the plot could have gone

But yeah, a lot of it now feels predictable, all the moves obvious.
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I skipped over comments because I am reading the books first and I'm trying to avoid serious spoilers. I am currently reading Storm of Swords. I will only then watch the series. I try to read the books first to let my imagination have free rein. It's more fun that way.
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I skipped over comments because I am reading the books first and I'm trying to avoid serious spoilers. I am currently reading Storm of Swords. I will only then watch the series. I try to read the books first to let my imagination have free rein. It's more fun that way.

Yeah, it's hard to discuss the show without spoilers at this point.

Good luck with the books -- while the various plot lines are staggered, basically they carry through maybe parts of Season 5 and a few into a bit of Season 6, depending on the plotline being examined. I'm not sure what the yet-unreleased book will entail.

I've only read a little bit of the books, just enough to see he thinks through a lot of the logistics and details and his narrative is more complex (which they understandably trimmed down / condensed for the show). So there are things that book can offer, including more realistic detail, but there's a few emotionally powerful sequences that provide a real whammy on the screen when you do not know what is coming (esp in Season 4). I'm glad I didn't read the books first for those bits, they were just crazy mind-blowing.
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Its not what it was for the first few seasons but still the best show on TV.
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Just caught up. Got internet.

I'm kind of hoping Daenerys dies. She's so uppity. She's gone from WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS to I'M THE QUEEN, KNEEL TO ME. Who cares.
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Pretty good episode, a lot of plotlines were forwarded. Cersei *SPOILERS*
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getting pregnant again was kinda funny, but yeah other than that I think the plots are coming together nicely. Littlefinger up to sneaky things again, Jon and the crew up at Eastwatch, all good.

I can't believe there are only going to be 2 more episodes this season... feels like it ended way too fast. I'm sort of worried on how they might finish it though, it feels like they'd need a bit more episodes to tie everything together.
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I thought episode 5 was easily the worst episode of the season and one of the worst of the series.

Shit logic, shit characterization, let's just do plot without explaining why the plot even make sense.

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Like, oh, yeah, let's throw everyone the viewers love on a secret mission that... really has no purpose except to put everyone on a secret mission. Because why the hell would Cersei even give a shit whether or not they bring back a walker? It's like fan-fic writers are writing one-offs for the show.


The show is also becoming more soap opera-like each week.
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How sweet, the Lannisters are starting a new family. Maybe the baby will be blonde.


There were a few lines and a few bits of interest:

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Baelish is playing Arya. It is about time our resident schemer suckered someone, he's been doing nothing for episodes on end. Finally, he's hatching a new plot!

Sansa tells Arya to speak her mind; Arya calls Sansa out. Good bit.

Jon touches a dragon's face... but then Dany never flips out and tries to determine why he was able to do this.


A lot of the rest was treated like a drive-by sideswipe, there's nothing here that is interesting to watch in later viewings. It's all about plot now, and the plot doesn't even have to make sense. And we're getting tidbits of information that they can't find a more normal way to share with us:

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Like, Gilly clumsily telling the knowledge viewer audience that Jon's actually not a bastard because his parents were officially, if secretly, married.


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^ I sort of agree with what you're saying, but hey, as long as the plot goes forward you know. I didn't get the part about Jon being able to touch the dragon; was that supposed to mean anything? They did put some time into it.
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Can't remember anymore, but I think he was a son of the mad king and Ned Stark's sister or something. Not Ned's bastard or something. I think that was just a story to protect him.
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Dragons + Targaryans + Actual Lineage of certain characters

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The Targaryans have a bond with dragons -- the dragons recognize them, rather than just eating them. It's why they listen to and protect Dany.

Jon's father is actually Dany's dead brother (and Jon's actually Ned's nephew); it's been heavily telegraphed in the books and now in the show for a season or more, so much it's a given at this point. The show even ham-fisted this LAST night when it dropped a comment pretty much all but stating Jon's not even a bastard, because apparently Rhaegar got an "annulment" on his old marriage (to Elia Martell -- you know, Oberyn's sister, who he kept insisting the Mountain admit he raped and crushed right before the Mountain crushed HIM) and was legitimately married to Lyanna Stark, Jon's actual mom. Gilly starts reading this out loud right before Sam tells her to shut up... doh.

There has also long been suspicion that Tyrion is not a Lannister at all but the son of Tywin's wife Joanna and the Mad King [possibly a rape], due to a lot of the dynamics between Tywin and Tyrion and some things that Tywin said and in what context, along with Tywin's general character on how he would have protected the family name rather than shaming Joanna who he loved. There was a "soft confirm" on this when Tyrion ended up approaching and releasing two of Dany's dragons in the dungeon, and while they got up in his grill, they didn't kill him... although they've killed others who get that close to them.

There is some kind of prophecy about the three heads of the dragons, and there are three dragons, and thus three Targaryans to ride them, and they have been long suspected by readers to be Dany, Jon, and Tyrion. The Tyrion theory is the weakest, but it's still fairly substantial at this stage, whereas the Jon theory is pretty much set in stone by now.


Moving a plot along doesn't mean much at all. Hell, Suicide Squad moved the plot along. It's not much of a standard.
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Oh right I completely forgot about Jon lineage.. ah ic.
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If anyone's seen the leaked episode...

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GoT officially went YOLO. Magic ice dragons, LOL! Oh and, Jon went a little premature with Dany, but I think it's obvious by now that they're going to hook up together. And yeah.. the Night King slaying the dragon was pretty intense. He's like the end level boss... crazy stuff.
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GoT officially went YOLO. Magic ice dragons, LOL! Oh and, Jon went a little premature with Dany, but I think it's obvious by now that they're going to hook up together. And yeah.. the Night King slaying the dragon was pretty intense. He's like the end level boss... crazy stuff.
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He summoned a Blue Eyes Wight Dragon in Attack Position
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Caught up to ep. 5.

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If Dany doesn't go mad I will. It feels like a complete waste of time for her to regress back to harsh targy if she doesn't actually end up there - this ark of her development was already complete in my mind. She'd learned compassion, started to prioritise her people over her pride etc.
There's been a lull in the unpredictability of the series for a while now. It's obvious who Martin's favourites are, so the thrill of the characters being plot naked (unarmored) was gone. With the series coming to an end, I'd like to think he's free to kill off the favourites now they've served their purpose. Dany going mad would be great - we've put up with far too much highhoppity for her not to make good on it imo.

I kinda liked the Jon 'leak' from Gilly. For everyone paying attention it had been obvious for ever, but for those taking it less seriously I'd expect it to sneak right past them.

This season feels beyond rushed. The plots are completing/converging with wild abandon. I was pretty annoyed that Sam cured Jorah with a wave of the hand.

I'm glad LittleFinger finally started doing something. For a while there it felt like all the 'baddies' were punching bags with LittleFinger getting burnt to a crisp every interaction, and Cersei being completely outmatched by Dan.
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GoT officially went YOLO. Magic ice dragons, LOL! Oh and, Jon went a little premature with Dany, but I think it's obvious by now that they're going to hook up together. And yeah.. the Night King slaying the dragon was pretty intense. He's like the end level boss... crazy stuff.
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I disliked the point where the dragon dies and everyone stops to take a moment's silence for the dead dragon while Jon was one moment earlier fighting off lots of white walkers. I know they feel the need to stress that moment, but it just feels dumb when done that way. There are no time for sentiments and feels when people are dying

The gingerbeard and hound convo was amusing, though


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If Dany doesn't go mad I will. It feels like a complete waste of time for her to regress back to harsh targy if she doesn't actually end up there - this ark of her development was already complete in my mind. She'd learned compassion, started to prioritise her people over her pride etc.
There's been a lull in the unpredictability of the series for a while now. It's obvious who Martin's favourites are, so the thrill of the characters being plot naked (unarmored) was gone. With the series coming to an end, I'd like to think he's free to kill off the favourites now they've served their purpose. Dany going mad would be great - we've put up with far too much highhoppity for her not to make good on it imo.
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There have been circulating this theory where Dany's daddy went mad due to the three eyed raven traveling back in time and trying to make him burn all the white walkers. Maybe Bran did it. Which made the king mad, because he just heard fragments of the voice which told him to burn it all, which was supposed to refer to the white walkers. But he ended up burning all his enemies. If you remember the tower scene with brad and ned, ned could hear bran shouting "father", but he couldn't see him.


Anyway, I think the author himself said this about Dany's
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She' wont turn mad. Personally I can see her become cynical, opinioated, stubborn, but I think mad is off the table.


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I kinda liked the Jon 'leak' from Gilly. For everyone paying attention it had been obvious for ever, but for those taking it less seriously I'd expect it to sneak right past them.
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I hated that actually. It felt like a cheap shot at the truth not being found out and told jon, when a lot of people are waiting and expecting that to happen


So yeah, I've been watching GoT and I don't even like it that much. Good TV when
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Yeah overall that episode had a lot of problems, but who cares
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It completley changes the dynamic of the war now, and this could mean that Ceresei might actually ally with Jon and Dany for a while. Season 8 is going to be one of those ally-then-backstab kind of types.
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It completley changes the dynamic of the war now, and this could mean that Ceresei might actually ally with Jon and Dany for a while. Season 8 is going to be one of those ally-then-backstab kind of types.
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I think it's more likely cersei would ally with the white walkers, or pretend to ally with danny and then kill her while fighting the WW even though her men would die for it and it risked her entire empire
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I saw the leaked episode today, that was a doozy and a step up ... although this season is hell logistically. I think they said screw it and decides to shoot whatever scenes they thought would be cool regardless of who could actually be where and when.

Still, if you accept the premise of the episode as sensible (which I'm not sure I do -- why does this A-team quest matter?), then I'm glad they gave the characters room to just breathe and talk and interact with each other.

Of course there is the set piece. Kinda saw that bit coming.
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Although again logistics... where the hell did they get four large chains long enough to anchor a warship?? In the middle of the barren wilderness? LOL. But hey "it looked cool." Whatever, I guess. See, though, this is the shit that GRRM would have figured out and why it's taking him so long to write the books -- he would have set it up for those chains to be there for some believable historical reason, lol.


There was a nice bit at Winterfell:
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- Sansa sends Brienne away, rather roughly, because Littlefinger showed an interest in keeping her around. Which, okay, Sansa is countering Littlefinger, but there are more than just two options. Because now Brienne is gone and cannot defend Sansa either... which almost leads her into disaster when....
- ...Arya scared the shit out of Sansa and probably half the viewing audience with that little speech of hers about faces and the knife flipping. But it was pretty great.


Anyway, takeaway:
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- At least Jon and Daenarys have chemistry.
- I like how she finally saw his mortal wounds as he was lying there. But he's alive, not an undead.
- I think it has given her a sense that, after so many seasons of her own personal narrative ("Take the kingdom back, get what's hers, break the wheel"), she is also realizing that other people have their own stories; it's not just about her. Jon has a story, and everyone else has a story. In fact, Jon is unselfish -- he has died, come back, and risks dying again to fight a war he doesn't want to fight, for a kingdom he doesn't want. It's a marked difference to her desire to rule, and it's making her reassess herself and get some perspective.
- Also, she now has a stake in the game; the Night King killed her baby.
- Jon is playing it right, plus I think he feels terrible about what happened and is grateful she came to save them at great cost to herself.
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I think Cersei will do whatever works for her in the moment.

She will ally with who she needs to ally with in the moment, and then turn right around and crush them as soon as it makes sense... which could be simply as soon as the Night King is taken out and her allies are badly hurt from that fight.

In fact, if she thinks she has the means to defeat the Night King on her own, she will pretend to ally, let her allies ride into war, and then basically block them / cut off their escape until they die.

She cannot be trusted.
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