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I don't follow.

Yeah, my case in point.

What is sacred to you? What do you hold most important in life? If you can't answer these things, you haven't thought about life in a serious way, nor have you taken responsibilities that entail where your trust in life belongs.
Yeah, still don't follow.
You're not making any case that this has anything to do with determining wether God has gender and if so what it is.

Unless you're trying to imply that because you think I don't have a proper conception of sacredness it must be true that I don't and because I don't for some reason that stops me from seeing accurately the issue at hand.

In which case your case is presumed and fallacious.

Whether my life contemplation is sufficient has nothing to do with the question.
I don't think you've quite understood the thread of my intention there. It's not about my "feelings", which I feel apart from you, it's the vibe that you project through your words and the direction of your intent.
I might guess that the reason you take issue with my apparent "direction of intent" is because, as I said, I trust my understanding of reality sans God better than my understanding of God, so when my understanding of reality conflicts with someones notion of God I assume the notion is wrong, whereas I would guess you take the approach of assuming your understanding of God is accurate, and when you encounter someone's notion of reality that conflicts with your concept of God, you assume that notion is wrong.

Obviously we should avoid assuming anything but with limited information and knowledge we have to start somewhere so assumptions we make.

So the conflict comes with thinking that your or my approach is better or worse.
Naturally we tend to be suspicious of people who use the other approach because we assume other people would fall into the same trouble as we would using the opposite approach. But that's just projection, and in truth neither way is any better than a stop-gap for our lack of information, knowledge, and I suppose wisdom as well.
Anyway, my approach to the whole discussion is essentially that of assuming that my notions of reality are accurate, and rejecting concepts of God that contradict them.

Your 'notion' has been described by many people in the past,
As have yours
and Christian philosophers and theologians have addressed them.
Likewise vise versa
Do you think no one in history have thought about what you have already thought about,
and that no one in the Christian realm of things have addressed them?
No, but I haven't found them yet, and you sure haven't presented their arguments in full or proper form.
To be blunt, you simply have not grasped the notions that underlie Christianity
If I am to take your arguments at face-value, neither have you.
, nor do you have an understanding of the metaphysical framework which bases Christian thought.
I don't pretend to know the orthodox Christian metaphysical framework, but your presentation of it has been all too easy to poke holes in.
Either the framework is weak and flawed, or you don't understand, or aren't properly communicating, that framework yourself.


I'm not challenging the logic of the theologians of mainstream orthodox Christianity,
I'm challenging your presentation of it. If you're saying that I shouldn't assume that a flaw in your presentation constitutes a flaw in their form, I know, and I don't.
I'm talking to you, not the combined great minds of christian theology.
We're both comparative idiots in the face of that group, and it would take at the least thousands of hours of study to cure that ignorance.

Failing that, I suggest we hold a discourse of consciously flawed individuals, not of preciously-held, supposedly sacrosanct ideologies.
We're all idiots here but at least we're trying. We don't have to take an attack on our flawed and weak arguments as an attack on our own being. I would guess that a major reason a lot of people are on this forum is that it has an above-average amount of intellectual maturity in that regard.
We can admit to having made and even believed poor arguments because we can separate personal pride from the equation.

If Socrates taught us anything it's that the closest any of us get to being smart is realizing we're stupid.
 

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The question of 'why is God gendered as a male', was asked in bad faith was it not? Yes or no.
 

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No.

I asked because it relates the conversation we've been having to the topic of the thread. I do have an opinion on the matter, but that doesn't stop me from being willing and curious to hear what other people have to say.

And my question being "what is meant by gendering God", I'm not sure that it even could be asked in bad faith. It's a question, not an assertion.
 

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Did you find my answer satisfactory?
 

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From what I know, monotheistic religion is almost exclusive to the Abrahamic religions. I think it's a limitation of the English language that we cannot prescribe a pronoun to God without it stripping its personal aspect. If we refer to God as 'it', which is neutral, it would strip God of his personality. But if we ascribe he, or she, we are somewhat extrapolating a relationship that we have between ourselves to God- basically, using a pronoun points to a connection of personality rather than a 'force' or a 'power', aspects which are lower than God.

But I think to really get at the heart of your inquiry, we have to answer what sacredness is. I don't feel like you have a foundation of it, that's why God to you is just as empty as the X in a function of algebra (f(x)). The word God really has no meaning if we don't have the same understanding of it, both in terms of objectivity made through studies in theology, and through the subjective lived experience of religiosity.

God is a person. Persons have gender. The gender God is is sacred because anything touched by God is sacred. Birth is sacred because life begins that way. Life is touched by God. God is life, God brings life. Sacred because there is only one way to bring life and that is sex. God created them male and female. God invented sex to create life. Sx is a sacred creation.

How did God know both sexes were necessary. Why is life created in such a process?


Did you find my answer satisfactory?

You never fully elaborated. as seen above. the question of F(x) = G never was answered. discussing the term (sacredness) is next so we can answer God's gender.
 

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This was my response to the parts of your answer that related to the question:
As for the he she thing, I would presume it's because naturally, humans began as patriarchies, so they attributed power to a male pronoun rather than a female one. If there were more female figureheads, I guess it's presumable that that society would manifest itself as matriarchical and would have attributed power or authority to a female pronoun.
Ok, but if it's an arbitrary title why wouldn't the theologians of orthodox christianity reject it? It seems too convenient. If you have to specify and define and logically extrapolate every tiny detail about the nature of God, how would you leave out something as fundamental as the application of sex/gender?
You probably know better than I do if there's an official orthodox position on the issue, but I don't think "eh, whatever" is it.
Gender or sex wasn't an object of reverence or worship anyways;
Boy have I got news for you
the God of the Israelites were pretty damming of the Canaanite idols, which most were about deities of fertility, harvest, and war and the like.
1. These people were worshiping fertility, which goes up to what you said there ^^
2. Wasn't the issue the worshiping of false Gods? I don't think it was gender or sex-specific.
From what I know, monotheistic religion is almost exclusive to the Abrahamic religions. I think it's a limitation of the English language that we cannot prescribe a pronoun to God without it stripping its personal aspect. If we refer to God as 'it', which is neutral, it would strip God of his personality.
But what is that personality? If having a gender/sex gives personality, and that differs depending on the gender/sex, it matters a good deal whether God has sex/gender and if so which it is.
But if we ascribe he, or she, we are somewhat extrapolating a relationship that we have between ourselves to God- basically, using a pronoun points to a connection of personality rather than a 'force' or a 'power', aspects which are lower than God.
So it's an arbitrary projection on our part? That would seem to be something to avoid.
Your answer wasn't "satisfying" in the sense that it left me without any further questions and resolved the issue, but it wasn't an inherently poor answer, so I would say it "satisfied" the essential mark of giving fair thought and effort to the response.


As for AK's point, I don't think the f(x) thing was a question or implied one. I don't think you were saying that f(x) = G
(Maybe "you think that God's word is as empty as x as in f(x)", but that's not the same thing, and I went over it already.)
 

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God is a person.
What makes a person? I would think one would require a body (that and consciousness).
onestep and orthodox christianity say God has no body, so if you need one to be a person then God can't be.

Else, is consciousness all that is needed to be a person? Consciousness can't exist without something to be conscious of, but can that something not include a body?
Once could be an observer of reality without having interactive capability?
Ghosts/spirits basically?
Sacred because there is only one way to bring life and that is sex. God created them male and female. God invented sex to create life. Sx is a sacred creation.
Unless God didn't create sex (male/female), but only the framework for it to take form in creation, meaning sex is a transcendent property.
How did God know both sexes were necessary. Why is life created in such a process?
If God created the whole system it's an issue of fiat choice not knowledge of a "necessary" way.
As for why, we can't really know, but maybe because sex itself is transcendent of God's creation and is fundamental in reality itself?
 

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From what I know, monotheistic religion is almost exclusive to the Abrahamic religions. I think it's a limitation of the English language that we cannot prescribe a pronoun to God without it stripping its personal aspect. If we refer to God as 'it', which is neutral, it would strip God of his personality. But if we ascribe he, or she, we are somewhat extrapolating a relationship that we have between ourselves to God- basically, using a pronoun points to a connection of personality rather than a 'force' or a 'power', aspects which are lower than God.

But I think to really get at the heart of your inquiry, we have to answer what sacredness is. I don't feel like you have a foundation of it, that's why God to you is just as empty as the X in a function of algebra (f(x)). The word God really has no meaning if we don't have the same understanding of it, both in terms of objectivity made through studies in theology, and through the subjective lived experience of religiosity.

God is a person. Persons have gender. The gender God is is sacred because anything touched by God is sacred. Birth is sacred because life begins that way. Life is touched by God. God is life, God brings life. Sacred because there is only one way to bring life and that is sex. God created them male and female. God invented sex to create life. Sx is a sacred creation.

How did God know both sexes were necessary. Why is life created in such a process?


Did you find my answer satisfactory?

You never fully elaborated. as seen above. the question of F(x) = G never was answered. discussing the term (sacredness) is next so we can answer God's gender.
People have gender, persons do not. Learn what a 'person' is before you go off on dumb tangents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

@AntaresVII The link above applies to you as well.

Why do I feel like I have to teach every single little thing? I'm out of this thread now, bye bye.
 

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Your tangent was. If you think your ideas are an extension of your being, then sure, you can consider yourself dumb. Depends on your metaphysical view.

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Your tangent was. If you think your ideas are an extension of your being, then sure, you can consider yourself dumb. Depends on your metaphysical view.

:)

I believe you went on a tangent yourself and failed to see the heart of the matter.

What does sacredness have to do with God's gender?
 

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People have gender, persons do not.
By the wikipedia article you cite and any of the top listed definitions, that's only true if we're talking about legal persons, which we aren't.

Why do I feel like I have to teach every single little thing?
I've been wondering that too, since half the time you do it becomes clear that you really aren't in a position to be "teaching" whatever it is that you're so sure we've got wrong, let alone whether you're right.
Also, because we all don't know an infinite amount of things and the little we do know may overlap very little. You probably have relatively specialized knowledge of the concepts of orthodox christianity compared to myself or AK (I don't speak for AK but that would be my guess) and are thus in more of a position to clarify things when they are misunderstood (not that you do so).
Learn what a 'person' is before you go off on dumb tangents.
Unless you're hiding a definition of 'person' somewhere that actually makes what you said true, you should learn what a 'person' is (in context) before you accuse people of misusing the term and going off on dumb tangents.


The final thrust, who of us can resist trying to make it?
 

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It's not about legality, try again.

In fact, as I have said, I think it's pointless talking to you because you can't seem to grasp the underlying metaphysical assumptions about reality and grasp other worldviews. You think physicality is all that exists, and that everything is an extension of that physicality. That is materialistic epistemology, something you clearly seem to not understand.


Good bye.
 

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Your tangent was. If you think your ideas are an extension of your being, then sure, you can consider yourself dumb. Depends on your metaphysical view.

:)

I believe you went on a tangent yourself and failed to see the heart of the matter.

What does sacredness have to do with God's gender?

The heart of the matter is that you want to be a lyrical charlatan and push a syncretism. Time and time again, you try to "bridge" Christianity with whatever your thoughts are for some odd obessive reason, which I guess is due to your slight autism.
 

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I do not understand Christianity because I am autistic.

fine, I'm ok with that.

I'm fine if you hate me

I am not fine that my intentions are viewed as negative.

You are accusing me of deceiving people.

Yet your the one never giving a straight answer.

You're the only one who thinks themselves as right and do not have to debate.

This is a forum, people discuss things not attack others and act superior to them.

You think you're superior and that all people not in the know are inferior.

We don't know what you know we know the average amount about Christianity.

You think we have bad intentions for debating only with average knowledge on the subject.

If a lack of knowledge is morally wrong in your eyes, then you have a wrong moral view.

stop confusing ignorance with willful ignorance. Doing that leads to child abuse.

Whatever the case may be in your eyes I am NOT a bad person for those reasons.

reasons you project on me.

(I am only pretending to participate, I don't respect you, you have an inferior thinking style and you are only here to deceive people)

A debate is about coming to shared conclusions, not who has the superior conclusion like you are.
 

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I don't care for superiority or any alpha power stance. Knowledge is not power, knowledge is truth, and truth to me is only Christ.

I never came here for a debate either, but to simply answer questions. If you thought that this was a debate, then you are framing the entire discussion falsely.

Moreover, I don't hate you, or anyone, just annoyed that my position isn't taken in and digested, but only listened to with the intention of arguing.

In addition, your autism has nothing to do with your inability to grasp Christianity. Don't be silly.
 

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I can see this isn-nt solved. What if it's as simple as beiing feminine or masculine?
 

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That definition might serve you, but it's probably confusing for men within the middle area of the gradient who encounter women who act more masculine than them. Are those men no longer men? Or are those women no longer women?

What would happens when context changes? I am the most manly man at my workplace (which is feminine dominated). But if I joined a football team I would be comparatively femboy. Do I switch genders?

There is no objective landmark for gender unless you equate gender with biology.

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What would happens when context changes? I am the most manly man at my workplace (which is feminine dominated). But if I joined a football team I would be comparatively femboy. Do I switch genders?

There is no objective landmark for gender unless you equate gender with biology.
I think gender walks the line between an objective and relative measure, since there are practical limitations to how masculine or feminine a person can be, so the extremes are available as guides to a midpoint of sorts, though it's all grey area enough to be basically relative in a large swathe of the mid-zone.

I think the reason it becomes so vague is, as I've said, that all of us have the potential to and inevitably to some extent do manifest both masculinity and femininity. Gender though, is the overall lean towards one extreme or the other, and as such, one could be a relatively feminine member of a highly masculine group, but still clearly more masculine than feminine, assuming that the group is aware of the existence of highly feminine people for comparison.
Sans such awareness, it would make sense for the scale to be arrayed such that you are designated predominately feminine since the basis of comparison is limited, raising the question of whether any of us can say we really know what the full extent of possibility is in regards to being masculine or feminine.

So as for your question "what happens when the context changes", I think the relevant context is all the people we know of and all we know about people. Gender is determined in the context of society at large, as we know it. When we see people who appear overtly masculine or feminine, we aren't comparing them to just those people immediately surrounding them, but to all the people we know of.
We can make the distinction between judging someone to be relatively masculine or feminine in relation to someone else, and judging someone to be masculine or feminine in relation to everyone else.
When it comes to our perceptions of gender overall the context of comparison is broad enough that it doesn't really change.
 

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That definition might serve you, but it's probably confusing for men within the middle area of the gradient who encounter women who act more masculine than them. Are those men no longer men? Or are those women no longer women?

What would happens when context changes? I am the most manly man at my workplace (which is feminine dominated). But if I joined a football team I would be comparatively femboy. Do I switch genders?

There is no objective landmark for gender unless you equate gender with biology.

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I'm really drunk, as normally. And I will not say I am in frequency with Anthares. But that sounds very vise. As to the question about people in the middle. ?? Really, is there a difference? Some are in the middle, some are at the extrmes.

Next psragraph: people are .. unpredictable

Last psrsgraph. Correct. It is subjective.
 

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You wrote a long ass post that doesn't say much. I feel like tearing something apart word by word and sentence by sentence. Give me a summary of the points that you're making or be clear from the start that it's just whining. (You're just balance whining that the devs nerfed tanks and made supports viable carries and damage dealers, even though tanks still win 60% of all matchups vs supports)
I think being a man isn't really a point of pride anymore indeed it barely means anything anymore
Really? Should being the protector and provider a point of pride?
Being a protector implies living in a failed society with high levels of violence that necessitates the existence of protectors. In a peaceful society there is no need to protect others so protectors can do something better, they are free to be better people and free to trade their ability to use violence or prevent violence for an ability to do something good or interesting.

Being a provider is necessitated by another two failures of society:
1. That surviving and securing enough resources to live a decent life is exceedingly hard, so much so that it forms the core of human existence. If people didn't have to work so hard to survive they would be free to become better beings.
2. Women were discriminated against and prevented from providing for themselves for much of the recorded history. It is only recently, through positive changes that they are slowly moving towards opportunity equality. They are not there yet though, far from it.

What is good about being forced into a role? Should being any kind of role be a source of pride at all? Is it good, is it reasonable?

Being a man or being a woman is becoming less restrictive. Everyone can build and use the positive traits found in each gender. So it's perfectly reasonable that your starting body type or identification is found to be neutral or doesn't impact your self-esteem or perceived worth.

People are very reasonable when they find pride in traits such as strength, social skills, nurturing, etc. All of these skills give one freedom to perform certain tasks or roles better and are valuable to have.

There is nothing inherently valuable in a role that has lost or is losing its utility or meaning so it makes sense that it is depreciating.
 

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Being a protector implies living in a failed society with high levels of violence that necessitates the existence of protectors. In a peaceful society there is no need to protect others
Society is one thing, but what of nature?
Protector is a title that intuitively, and really almost immediately, extends beyond the social realm to the basic task of keeping the monsters —the products of the inherent chaos of our environment— at bay, and navigating such disasters as inevitably come our way.
To name but a single area of concern, we still have yet to advance technology sufficiently to satisfactorily guard against disasters of naught more than weather.

We are immensely complex entities that depend on a huge array of factors to maintain balance to function properly. Our environment is one of countless other such entities that all function with a similar aim of growth and must compete to achieve it.
Being a protector implies both that competition and differences of specialization between individuals in the way that competition is carried out.

Being a provider is necessitated by another two failures of society:
1. That surviving and securing enough resources to live a decent life is exceedingly hard, so much so that it forms the core of human existence. If people didn't have to work so hard to survive they would be free to become better beings.
Survival will always be exceedingly difficult unless we can create an autonomous system capable of self-reparation against all effects of entropy.
Systems as they exist now just shift the difficulty from time spent chasing down gazelles to time spent learning the construction, operation, and maintenance of the systems used to keep us alive.

2. Women were discriminated against and prevented from providing for themselves for much of the recorded history. It is only recently, through positive changes that they are slowly moving towards opportunity equality. They are not there yet though, far from it.
But you're talking about distinctions that easily predate any significant scale of society such as could carry out that discrimination. A small tribe of hunter-gatherers has no resources to waste, no use for hindering the positive action of anyone. Practicality is the rule by default and so differences in community roles are principally determined by the sheer facts of existence.

That the sex built with the additional biological functions needed for reproduction and early child care might make sacrifices in hunting efficiency is the just the basic tradeoff cost of specialization.


But as to the modern relevance of that distinction, well, let me put it this way:

I don't get why people scream and panic hysterically in emergencies.
I might have hoped that those that not only lose their ability to function and communicate but also hinder that of others would have been eliminated by natural selection, but apparently no.

Perhaps having a relatively small portion of your population retain reasoned thought helps by removing a degree of dissent and so organizing action by motivation of terror at the lead of the remaining few sane.

In any case, it appears that the ability to effectively navigate the most unexpected scenarios is one of specialization, which, while not limited to men, certainly seems more prevalent among them, not to mention that other traits more common among men tend to push them more frequently into such scenarios.

I'm not sure what the tradeoff is making room for, — perhaps better mental health and longevity, since women tend to exceed men in both — but whatever it might be it would have to be enough to counter the disadvantages of the sacrificed crisis capability.

I think the issue Hado is reffering to is something on the lines of a general devaluation of crisis ability. The idea seems to be that our systems are becoming advanced enough that catastrophic failure is no longer a major concern, and so those who specialize in catastrophe (and so not so much other, more agreeable areas) are no longer needed to any great degree.

The evidence, however, is much to the contrary: The more complex and unified our systems are becoming, the more widespread and severe is the fallout when they fail. At the same time the increased complexity and unity offers more points of farther reaching entry and attack. Widespread panic on a national scale can be instigated by gaining remote control of an electronically integrated oil facility. With the slightest interruption of normal function, the parts of the great machine that depend on its output begin to fail, and where the expense of redundancies has been forgone on the assumption that the cases when they would be needed are too unlikely or uncommon to bother with, the systems begin to shut down, and at the level of the individual, essential functions are no longer available, and the individual is suddenly finding themselves in a state of crisis they have come to believe they had no need to fear would ever occur.
We do not have anything remotely approaching the hope of even the possibility of a perfect system, and those with most intimate knowledge of our systems know this best.

We very much need people who are capable of surviving when our frameworks fall, and who, moreover, are intimately concerned with the survival of those around them as well and not merely themselves — in short, "protectors". If this capability is more common in men, it should not be a shame to them, as those attacking the competition of men — which occurs in part to demonstrate and develop this ability — have sought to claim it is, labelling all hierarchies of dominance, such as we make use of to determine who we can rely on when catastrophe does strike, as "toxic masculinity" or some form of oppressive patriarchy.
By all means we should keep balance of view in recognizing the existence of such capability in women, but we cannot afford for that recognition to come at the cost of rejecting the value, nor denying the predominance, of that capability in men.

That the skills needed in crisis are increasingly more intellectual than physical does allow for a more level field between men and women, the psychological aspects remain unchanged, and that there are general differences in the psychology of men and women is incontrovertible.

We live in an age that is alike to all others in its certainty that it is at the pinnacle of reason and capability. The masses always believe themselves to be wise, and never are. As such, we are equally prone to mass folly as at any other time. Our sweeping social change, viewed as great progress, is conducted with as much blindness and misunderstanding as vastness and pervasiveness.
The same can of course be said of the resistance to that change, and so we have naught more than we ever did: a great number of people moving, as great numbers of people tend to do, with a nearly unstoppable force but almost no clearly intelligent purpose or direction, and more than likely looking to burn something down.
Today it is the value of men in society. Once it was witches in Salem. Always it has been with only the rhetorical illusion of reason spun from the barest thread of truth, to enable the true drive: a great deal of psycho-emotional manipulation.

And of course always the governor's house as well. We never get enough of that.
 

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Is this still going on from last year? Why argue? The degradation of definitions are all they have when trying to fray the categories of biology. Its all a toilet bowl experience where gravity does what it does with shitty arguments. Biology isn't a choice. Sadly, this is true, as I think it would be more functional to identify as having four arms.

Identity however, is an abstract illusion necessary for consciousness. Are we slaves to our self concept, unable to formulate or change our being or can we alter our identity and choose our own fate? In reality this abstract concept is whatever you want it to be, binary, spectrum. Its really a personally created construct anyways. Like a splat of paint on a wall that you thought should be a bat carrying a walnut. I thought it was a splat of paint. What do I know though.
 

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Even the print of a photo of a bat carrying a walnut is ultimately just a splat of paint.
From a human perspective that print and an actual bat carrying a walnut are both just photon arrangements. That there's a difference in interpretation reflects a reality which we must constantly evaluate for problems and opportunities. Presumably we bother making distinctions between the sexes because it's useful to that end.

The one interpretation we could all seem to agree on is that which is strictly bound to verifiable fact. It is the only view wherein it is reasonable to insist others view us as we view ourselves, because it is the only view wherein we can accurately communicate that view. Illusion only works where there is reality to imitate.


But in regards to your question, I made an additional response because I had something new to say. That is all.
 

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Gender is rooted in biology since 2 million years ago where specialization took hold. Gender has evolved with this specialization. Masculinity and Femininity was an adaptation to the environment and sexual relations. These are traits that a person has. It is personality. Evolution made two distinct personality clusters. Of course, overlap exists, personality and sex organs highly correlate.

Personality and sex correlate. Clusters exist but gender is not a single trait.
 

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I think you should go through Brave New World by Huxley. There is a curious lack of gender identities in the entire book. There is some sexism but even that is very less than what you'd find. Well, the crux is that this generation which is essentially post-structuralism in nature. One of the fruits of this movement is partial epistemological nihilism which ultimately settles on hard science (at least, according to me), therefore, I believe that there is a revival of scientism too albeit with a lot more caution. I consider myself as a part of this intellectual movement because I am a millenial.

Anyway, that being said, the current faddy is gender is culture. Therefore, the rules that apply to cultures now apply to genders as well despite the presence of inaccurate scientific studies based purely on responses of subjects than any good methodology that encompasses of cultural-neutral testing. I think that this is valid. I consider myself to be androgynous and most people realize that after being with me for a good enough amount of time. The meat and potatoes of my point is that the concepts revolving around gender will converge greatly once capitalism engulfs us with autonomy or enough technological benevolence to have no reason to really call men stronger than women.

At least this is the story touted by everybody. Science fiction also believes that gender equality would prevail in the future.

However, you'd only understand the possible twist if you understand the difference between the dystopia of Brave New World and 1984. If the latter turns out to be more truthful than the former, then women and other genders are at the shorter end of the stick where technological determinism free humans of too much mental labour and give them all the time in the world to pursue past spiritual and cultural habitudes that circumscribe even worse boundaries for women and other genders.
 

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Society is one thing, but what of nature?
Protector is a title that intuitively, and really almost immediately, extends beyond the social realm to the basic task of keeping the monsters —the products of the inherent chaos of our environment— at bay, and navigating such disasters as inevitably come our way.
To name but a single area of concern, we still have yet to advance technology sufficiently to satisfactorily guard against disasters of naught more than weather.
And why should it be anyone's duty to protect others from the inherent dangers of life and the complex functioning of the world? Everyone is capable of understanding how to function in this complex world and capable of being their own protector. Men aren't specifically evolved for that role, they just have an easier time building muscle mass and why argue other percentages.

Even assuming the false notion that men have evolved to guide women through the perils of this chaotic world then what reason is there to prevent women from using their, as you seem to propose, inferior evolutionary capabilities? If I had 1% capacity of the most capable man then I should have the choice to use that 1% for my own benefit rather than be forced to rely on someone more capable. Who knows, maybe 1% is good enough and I can probably get to 5% with some simple optimization.
Survival will always be exceedingly difficult unless we can create an autonomous system capable of self-reparation against all effects of entropy.
Systems as they exist now just shift the difficulty from time spent chasing down gazelles to time spent learning the construction, operation, and maintenance of the systems used to keep us alive.
It doesn't have to be exceedingly difficult. Some people have to work 12 hours to survive while others don't need to do any work. 4 hours of brainless work is enough to sustain the world economy as it is.

Also how does that affect women? Are women not capable of maintaining these systems?
2. Women were discriminated against and prevented from providing for themselves for much of the recorded history. It is only recently, through positive changes that they are slowly moving towards opportunity equality. They are not there yet though, far from it.
But you're talking about distinctions that easily predate any significant scale of society such as could carry out that discrimination. A small tribe of hunter-gatherers has no resources to waste, no use for hindering the positive action of anyone. Practicality is the rule by default and so differences in community roles are principally determined by the sheer facts of existence.
Seems like primitive roles were determined by lack of other options and violence.
But as to the modern relevance of that distinction, well, let me put it this way:

I don't get why people scream and panic hysterically in emergencies.
I might have hoped that those that not only lose their ability to function and communicate but also hinder that of others would have been eliminated by natural selection, but apparently no.

Perhaps having a relatively small portion of your population retain reasoned thought helps by removing a degree of dissent and so organizing action by motivation of terror at the lead of the remaining few sane.
How are you going to prove that men are more capable of reacting to the unknown and adapting? This notion is completely ridiculous, because this does not say anything about how we structure our society.

We don't forbid doctors with 20% lower IQ from healing people, even though it's possible that they make 10% more mistakes. It is not necessary to have the absolute best capability or genetic potential to do something well enough. That said, arguing that there is significant difference between the capabilities of genders is stupid and moot.
 
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