One of those INTP days I guess

[INTPmetalhead]

I'm sure others feel this way from time to time... Or all the time... whatever; anyway do you have those days where you are just sick of everything and everyone cuz everything is boring and stupid and everyone seems to be an absolute moron and you just feel like an alien? And you're aggravated but can't figure out exactly why, so it aggravates you further? So then you contemplate humanity and wonder how the hell it made it this far with so many idiots!? And then people look at you like you're f*cked up but they're really the f*cked up ones in this society since they're so involved with trivialities that they don't even see they're just a cog in the machine. Then trying to talk about it to non INTPs and they just think you're a negative douche bag when you're just pointing out the facts of either themselves or society in general. I can't even begin to count the number of "friends" I lost because the view me as some negative jerk or they seem to believe I'm a freaking robot or something. Ugh! Life.

 

[VenusPallas7]

Usually when I begin looking at everyone around me as stupid it means I'm in a hypomanic state and I'm only adding to it by feeding into this way of thinking with those thoughts. Yes, people are stupid but we aren't that special either. You need to seek therapy for this or you are probably even headed towards severe mania if you don't work on this soon. Good luck to you.


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[Jennywocky]

It's good to have different tiers of interactions with people.

If you accept INTP is just one of 16 "types," then it's just one approach/perspective among many. We feel our perspective might be more valid, but often the perspective differences come simply through a change in priorities both in what is focused on and the criteria used to analyze the exchange. It depends on what the topic and goal is. a hammer is a great tool for driving in nails but not as much for some other things.

Sure, you might be right in big-picture existential view of life, but there are other factors in play as well. Some people are more open than others in engaging that particular view of the world, so it makes sense to select the degree you voice those things to, just like everyone else targets their own interactions depending on what they want to talk about.

So find a few people who you can be bluntly honest with (and this forum does serve a kind of outlet for that) and use that as the main outlet, then use the other connections to explore other things / degrees of interaction. Those few might feel hard to find sometimes, but you're not the only who might think the way you do.

meanwhile, I found as I got older, there are aspects to other perspectives I began to appreciate. it wasn't that I wasn't right about my earlier observations, but there were often more angles to it I hadn't yet perceived, and as my life situation changed and I found myself in new roles (employee, spouse, parent), other priorities came to the front and became more valuable... and some other folks whose perspectives I had dismissed in the past became more useful and I understood better where they were coming from.

... but yeah, seeing what state you're from... likely it can feel like a lonely place at times.

 

[Architect]

I anyway do you have those days where you are just sick of everything and everyone cuz everything is boring and stupid and everyone seems to be an absolute moron and you just feel like an alien?

Yeah, but I usually don't take my judgement that everybody is a moron too seriously. I mean I think it all the time, but remind myself that people are really being intelligent - from their perspective. Which isn't the analytical perspective I have. Conversely, whose to say I'm not being the moron, in my disdain for cultural norms, for example?

And you're aggravated but can't figure out exactly why, so it aggravates you further?

Urp, yeah that happens a lot. Or used to, I've gotten better at managing my days.

So then you contemplate humanity and wonder how the hell it made it this far with so many idiots!?

No, lots of interesting research on how collectively groups can have greater intelligence than the individual members. "Wisdom of crowds" kind of thing.

And then people look at you like you're f*cked up but they're really the f*cked up ones in this society since they're so involved with trivialities that they don't even see they're just a cog in the machine.

Ah, but the cog has a purpose doesn't it? And if its happy being a cog where's the problem? I mean you can't expect a cog to want to be a mechanic, would you?

Then trying to talk about it to non INTPs and they just think you're a negative douche bag when you're just pointing out the facts of either themselves or society in general. I can't even begin to count the number of "friends" I lost because the view me as some negative jerk or they seem to believe I'm a freaking robot or something.

Mutual understanding is a problem. AFAIK I do actually understand others far more than they understand me. I get that they just care about friends, family, dinner and other common trivialities. I get it - I really do, if I care to I can try hard enough and get it not just intellectually, but I at least think I viscerally see it from their perspective. But I haven't yet found another (except other INTP's) who have an inkling of what's going on with my side.

Shrug ... what to do? Most of my relationships are one sided and shallow, but I don't seem to have a lot of choice in the matter. There is a kind of warm companionship which is nice, even though I'd prefer having true mutual respect and understanding.

If Vulcan was a real planet I'd move there in a second.

 

[OmoInisa]

It's good to have different tiers of interactions with people.

If you accept INTP is just one of 16 "types," then it's just one approach/perspective among many. We feel our perspective might be more valid, but often the perspective differences come simply through a change in priorities both in what is focused on and the criteria used to analyze the exchange. It depends on what the topic and goal is. a hammer is a great tool for driving in nails but not as much for some other things.

Sure, you might be right in big-picture existential view of life, but there are other factors in play as well. Some people are more open than others in engaging that particular view of the world, so it makes sense to select the degree you voice those things to, just like everyone else targets their own interactions depending on what they want to talk about.

So find a few people who you can be bluntly honest with (and this forum does serve a kind of outlet for that) and use that as the main outlet, then use the other connections to explore other things / degrees of interaction. Those few might feel hard to find sometimes, but you're not the only who might think the way you do.

meanwhile, I found as I got older, there are aspects to other perspectives I began to appreciate. it wasn't that I wasn't right about my earlier observations, but there were often more angles to it I hadn't yet perceived, and as my life situation changed and I found myself in new roles (employee, spouse, parent), other priorities came to the front and became more valuable... and some other folks whose perspectives I had dismissed in the past became more useful and I understood better where they were coming from.

... but yeah, seeing what state you're from... likely it can feel like a lonely place at times.

I just saw this. It's surely not too late to present a gift of a gilded crown to Queen Jennifer.
I just spent a long weekend with family (and partners). The degree to which I functioned poorly surprises me in hindsight. And the issue was in large part because I failed to recognise/remember just how different their perspectives and priorities were.
It's certainly harder in practice than in theory to recognise this and meet people halfway, particularly in the heat of the moment. But this past weekend would have been more pleasant had I read this post last week.

 

[QuickTwist]

Yes, clearly days can be split up into INTP days and non-INTP days.

 

[Lurker]

It's good to have different tiers of interactions with people.

If you accept INTP is just one of 16 "types," then it's just one approach/perspective among many. We feel our perspective might be more valid, but often the perspective differences come simply through a change in priorities both in what is focused on and the criteria used to analyze the exchange. It depends on what the topic and goal is. a hammer is a great tool for driving in nails but not as much for some other things.

Sure, you might be right in big-picture existential view of life, but there are other factors in play as well. Some people are more open than others in engaging that particular view of the world, so it makes sense to select the degree you voice those things to, just like everyone else targets their own interactions depending on what they want to talk about.

I just realized who I was quoting. Hi there!

Well-written and articulate as always, with excellent points, but I take issue with the premise of the OP.

OP is describing the human condition for the thoughtful and intuitive among us.

I think it's important for the OP to recognize the -- realistically narrow -- INTP-specific problems one will deal with in life.

It won't help OP to become rarified and precious, esp. when many introverts or intuitives can relate.

so find a few people who you can be bluntly honest with (and this forum does serve a kind of outlet for that) and use that as the main outlet,

Hah.

I would recommend getting to know the future recipient of your bluntness first! All types have feelings and react emotionally, no matter their claim of calm, dispassionate rationality. Which sort of goes back to my main point; we are humans first, controlled by brains shaped by our environment.....etc

I think that people find comfort in alienation if they can feel certain that they are unique in their suffering. We want to matter, and if we feel disassociated from our social environment, that can just be agonizing.

Personally, I think it helps to reach out and help homeless or mentally ill people. These people certainly suffer, and you should talk to them. In the long run, I'm not sure that self- isolating with extremely similar people contributes to long term growth.

Heal here, then reach out.

then use the other connections to explore other things / degrees of interaction. Those few might feel hard to find sometimes, but you're not the only who might think the way you do.

Fantastic advice.

 

[40winks]

I'm sure others feel this way from time to time... Or all the time... whatever; anyway do you have those days where you are just sick of everything and everyone cuz everything is boring and stupid and everyone seems to be an absolute moron and you just feel like an alien? And you're aggravated but can't figure out exactly why, so it aggravates you further? So then you contemplate humanity and wonder how the hell it made it this far with so many idiots!? And then people look at you like you're f*cked up but they're really the f*cked up ones in this society since they're so involved with trivialities that they don't even see they're just a cog in the machine. Then trying to talk about it to non INTPs and they just think you're a negative douche bag when you're just pointing out the facts of either themselves or society in general. I can't even begin to count the number of "friends" I lost because the view me as some negative jerk or they seem to believe I'm a freaking robot or something. Ugh! Life.

I used to have these kind of days, until I began grounding myself every morning and taking notice of when I am overstimulated.

Feel better.

 

[HDINTP]

Yes and basically I wanted to kill myself because of that... And yes I am like an alien for most people, percieved as "robot-like". Because I understand and see so much more than majority I came to conclusion there is no reason to be happy whatsoever... You realize that you are at completely different place and yeah as for friends: I always had problem with this word. Hesitently I would call two human beings like that. One was/is even more allienated than me (which is striking yet great ). And the other well let's just say I learned to accept him more as time went by (Actually he was the one to accept me as an "allien". Even his father told him so when he first met me).

This place also helped me to understand myself (MBTI - straight to this forum and moment of "there are actually people a lot like me and thanks to Internet easily reachable")

Today I just try to live on and psychologically I helped myself when I had sudden simple reasoning like this: "There is no reason to be happy in this world so that means there is no reason to be unhappy therefore I just exist and wait for my death instead of comitting suicide".

I accepted that I am way to different and that I will have to pretend most of things for people (plus there is certain level below which I can not go since if I do I am literally unable to comunicate with these beings (average people already fall there so I believe that is more than enough of a problem)

I also see myself standing out of scene (watching over human race live as a spectator).

And this is not my "INTP day" this is my life...

So my advice is live on, do not go against your natural tendencies (at least not too often and/or too much), admit to yourself that you will never have "enough" friends" since there are not many people of your level out there anyway (close enough so to speak). Some may argue this is just about different pespective but I can't agree completely. One thing of course is to try fit in and understand someone else's view but the other is to be too much different and there is part of acting I was talking about coming in play (which is hugely exhausting to do all the time).

And finally as I believe someone on some thread here already pointed out: Find yourself hobbies, things to immerse yourself in to not go insane, melancholic, suicidal etc.

Hope it goes well and you get better,

HD