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Socra Maat
30th-January-2014, 05:14 AM
I'm not going to outline the whole idea here, as I would need all my paper and work done on it, just a summary:


I've thought a while about mega black holes, and the idea that one will eventually gain enough will to drag nearly all mass back into itself, and one whole "uber" black hole. Once there is no more discernible matter to consume, and the vacuum dynamic is devoid of matter input, would it erupt/rip apart or implode?

What if, in the long run, all universes (pockets of sand balls in a black ocean for imagery), are engulfed by whole single black hole in the end, and then "banged" (violent compression = violent expansion?) into another dimension? As in, universes change locations and have motions as a "whole" quite often? Or does it re-explode there and start over the whole process?

I'm shooting all over the place typing this as a summary, but really, I find it difficult to think that the big bang is a start point, and not one side of a full motion.

Vrecknidj
1st-February-2014, 03:35 AM
Doesn't this just push the cosmological argument back another step? Suppose there is this endlessly looping multiversal creation/destruction cycle. What started it? And, if there was a start, wasn't that the meta-big-bang?

Rook
1st-February-2014, 11:14 AM
If this is true, explain the observed redshift of proposed receding galaxies.
Taken into account, it means that the universe is expanding while the black hole cycles transpire. Explain then the mechanism for expansion?

Cognisant
1st-February-2014, 12:37 PM
Maybe we're the white hole of another universe's black hole and instead of matter/energy entering our universe from one central point (which may not exist btw) it's entering across the entire universe after all our entire universe only exists as a point (the black hole) in our parent universe.

Hence why the galaxies are moving apart, our universe is getting bigger everywhere as a result of energy coming into it, this also explains why the expansion appears to be accelerating I mean all that kinetic energy has to be coming from somewhere...

Socra Maat
2nd-February-2014, 10:27 AM
Well Rook, on that aspect, I don't deny that the universe is expanding, but I'm throwing the possibility that one said "uber" black hole over time could repeal and overpower those forces?
Just thoughts

Socra Maat
2nd-February-2014, 10:31 AM
Maybe we're the white hole of another universe's black hole and instead of matter/energy entering our universe from one central point (which may not exist btw) it's entering across the entire universe after all our entire universe only exists as a point (the black hole) in our parent universe.

Hence why the galaxies are moving apart, our universe is getting bigger everywhere as a result of energy coming into it, this also explains why the expansion appears to be accelerating I mean all that kinetic energy has to be coming from somewhere...

One night I thought about a negative matter universe, and what it would look like. Imagining infinite white matter scattered with pockets of black suns that radiate darkness. Looked cool.

* Not saying that would exist in anyway, just a visual*

Rook
2nd-February-2014, 11:01 AM
Well Rook, on that aspect, I don't deny that the universe is expanding, but I'm throwing the possibility that one said "uber" black hole over time could repeal and overpower those forces?
Just thoughts

It may be possible, but there would have to be a center of gravitation, perhaps a giant cluster of galaxies(each with their own central black hole) converging, pulling more and more galaxies in over time.

This may be highly improbable in our universe though, as dark energy poses a critical buffer.

If we were to understand dark energy as the mechanism for the expansion of the universe, we would be more capable of calculating the validity of this theory.

Socra Maat
2nd-February-2014, 11:12 AM
Hmm. Interesting.

Another idea:
I believe that while the sun warps space-time, the electromagnetic interaction between light and our planets poles create motion? Possibly holding the planet securely (twirling it) within the space-time and not collapsing straight into the sun?

I see light as a means of grasping and locking matter within the bubble, not just by a star's gravity per se.

I could go further and say, does light actually helps a planet's core function as they do?
To peruse this: Do planets hold together structurally outside the immediate reach of light, and do they have functioning cores devoid of it?

Brainstorm session, had to get it out! :)

BigApplePi
2nd-February-2014, 12:18 PM
Maybe we're the white hole of another universe's black hole and instead of matter/energy entering our universe from one central point (which may not exist btw) it's entering across the entire universe after all our entire universe only exists as a point (the black hole) in our parent universe.What if we're the white hole of another universe's black hole which eventually creates another black hole as black as the previous one sufficient to create a new white hole which produces a black hole thus recycling and explaining everything?

We could think of this as an A-hole process thus giving an answer to God and cognizance.:)

Socra Maat
3rd-February-2014, 06:54 AM
Hmm. Interesting.

Another idea:
I believe that while the sun warps space-time, the electromagnetic interaction between light and our planets poles create motion? Possibly holding the planet securely (twirling it) within the space-time and not collapsing straight into the sun?

I see light as a means of grasping and locking matter within the bubble, not just by a star's gravity per se.

I could go further and say, does light actually helps a planet's core function as they do?
To peruse this: Do planets hold together structurally outside the immediate reach of light, and do they have functioning cores devoid of it?

Brainstorm session, had to get it out! :)

Can someone enlighten me on these ideas and perhaps blatant flaws?

Rook
3rd-February-2014, 06:40 PM
@SM:
My knowledge of physics is pretty layman, but I'll try my best in analysing your theory.

I don't think your theory is correct, as the motion is believed(or known, not sure) to be solely caused by gravitation. As a satellite constantly falls to the earth, so to does the moon, and the earth to the sun. The rotation, I think, is caused by gravitational pull in both stars and planets.

As to light grasping and locking matter, remember that light is energy, light is what matter emits. So light is either absorbed by matter or expelled by it, photons become electrons etc.
Thus I see no way for light to lock matter, as it is either moving along as photons, or absorbed by matter itself.


As to the planetary core statement, once again remember that light is energy. As the core of our planet at least is extremely hot, light is constantly released and absorbed.
I am not sure if other planets core's are devoid of light, but I assume some are, and they hold together once again due to gravity. Planets are inherently formed from clouds of gas circling a star, and they are formed by gravitation in this manner. Light does not hold the gas together, light may rather energise it.


I only have physics up to high school level, so my explanations may be incorrect or lacking. Another user may be able to correct any mistakes I have made, and shed more light on your theory.