Wisdom is a disease.

[Lyra]

Suppose I say thinking is concerned with awareness of observations and logic about the external world. That's worth recognizing, is it not? Certainly the external world is no vacuum.

Agreed. My contention is not with the recognition of the processes which are usually signified by the word 'thinking'. My contention is only with the use of that specific signifier. Why: because it is intermeshed with a conceptual framework that makes dichotomous experience which has the potential to be fluid. What is usually called 'thinking' can be so much more complex, and so much more fluidly related with other kinds of experience and human faculties which are schiz-d from it by inaccurate signification, than the term itself tends to lead people to believe.

Things can go right and things can go wrong. Any wonder if things go wrong too long it causes anxiety? Hopefully one can get wrong things to go right. If one can't is that pathological?

Given this, might we not say that it's necessary for somebody to be sick in accordance with the standards of an older system for them to become a new health-- a new system. At the turning point which lays between one era and another, might much of one's health be the sickness of the other?

Hence Nietzsche. He was-- and conceived himself as-- a psychophysiological embodiment of a turning point. He didn't claim to be an ubermensch in himself; he claimed to contain within him both the 'ascending' and 'descending' currents of life, and thus to be in a position to judge. (The Gay Science, opening chapters).

You are writing as you. I find your initial message in this thread delightful, but that' s me. Pay no attention.

Thanks :-). Glad to meet you as well.

Elaborate? I think you're putting him on too high a pedestal personally, but I'll keep an open mind...

He's had enough of an influence-- although perhaps not in any way he intended-- upon societal-conceptual systems that our world would be significantly different without him. I'm sure that the kinds of issues he dealt with would have surfaced in another form if they had not surfaced through him, but I think that their surfacing in him has had an effect upon all of us that makes us, like we are children of Marx or Luther or Hitler or others, children of him.

Well, I hope 'he' was referring to Nietzche, who in RL was really a disgusting bigot. He has now been intellectually sanitized so that he might be put on a pedestal and worshipped by those who practice the religion of Nihilism...

I personally find it a source of amusement that Nihilists demand objective proof of God, yet they do not seem bothered by the fact that there is not one iota of evidence that proves that anything written by Nietzche was true. They willingly digest his dark fantasy as Truth... This seems to almost be an exercise of the Occult to the outside observer.

You understand very little of what you are talking about.


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In relation to the OP, I think that Nietzsche's utter abandonment and loneliness were the preconditions for the brutal honesty and heresy with which he Philosophised. There was no mitigation for his suffering but understanding. Thus he understood.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not idolising him, and I would rather be raped by a rhino than call myself a 'nietzschean'. But he is very relevant to this thread, and also very relevant to... well, everything.

 

[BigApplePi]

Agreed. My contention is not with the recognition of the processes which are usually signified by the word 'thinking'. My contention is only with the use of that specific signifier. Why: because it is intermeshed with a conceptual framework that makes dichotomous experience which has the potential to be fluid. What is usually called 'thinking' can be so much more complex, and so much more fluidly related with other kinds of experience and human faculties which are schiz-d from it by inaccurate signification, than the term itself tends to lead people to believe.

I'm fond of engineering closed definitions with the purpose of distinguishing "thinking" from something called "feeling." That's me. Leaving definitions open to fluidity is not something I'd want to tamper with for you though.

Given this, might we not say that it's necessary for somebody to be sick in accordance with the standards of an older system for them to become a new health-- a new system. At the turning point which lays between one era and another, might much of one's health be the sickness of the other?

My impression is that the medium of science fiction excels in showing "culture clashes" or just plain culture that shows the health or lack of health of our contemporary society in a safe way.

 

[Lyra]

I'm fond of engineering closed definitions with the purpose of distinguishing "thinking" from something called "feeling." That's me. Leaving definitions open to fluidity is not something I'd want to tamper with for you though.

Thank you... that's a rare and precious thing to say. Anyway: I've never experienced that division. At my best, there are no separate categories of experience or sensation. There are only inter-penetrating tendencies of sensory experience.

 

[snafupants]

yeah that was pretty abstruce. anyway, dostoevsky would agree with you that suffering is a moral cleansing and possibly the only way to attain enlightenment and wisdom.

 

[snafupants]

abstruse, jesus h. christ

 

[Marbas]

But any such translatable 'point' is non-essential to what I've written. And to make it so would be to deny my own structural divergence and allow myself to be converged into structural norms. In short: to be colonised.

Prove it.

It has nothing to do with elitism. I'm strange, I write strangely. And I find the constant attempts to force me to converge... just tiring. What you don't seem to understand is that these *are* simple terms for me. It's how I think automatically, and how I express automatically. And my alteration of my language patterns towards a structural equivalence with those which are more common would involve a constant and wearing denial of myself and the validity of my own way of being.

Does that mean I can post entirely in pictures? When you are in an arena specifically designed for the communication of ideas with others, that's a pitiful excuse.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

brain melt.

 

[Cherry Cola]

It's not even complicated and Lyra, though no doubt highly gifted seems quite the narcissist. It is one thing to use form as a method of communication. Another to categorically refuse any deviation from it in interactions with others because of Ego-issues.

 

[BigApplePi]

Another to categorically refuse any deviation from it in interactions with others because of ...

Does that present grounds for stabilty and integrity???