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Why IQ does not matter as much as people think....

ZenRaiden

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The issue with IQ its a pretty big fetish of INTPs. As INTP I was always interested in psychology, and by extention by IQ. Intellect of humans and overall in nature is very interesting subject. Nevertheless it is highly overrated number and lot of people even with high IQs dont really know what it means, because generally people stop caring about the number after they figure out what it is.

Some people generally get very emotional about the subject. I think it is hardwired in people to be defensive about intelligence hence the deragotary phrases such as "two digit IQ" and retarded and whatnot. I never cared what it was. I figured out after IQ test that its pretty low for me, but I read about the subject a lot of stuff.
Speaking from psychological point of view if you want people to think you are intelligent just do things they approve of.
There are many studies and many concluded that IQ is very important number. There are still delusional people saying its really just a test taking ability and that it means nothing. I even found comments from high IQ people stating such. I think people have to admit to themselves that IQ is important measure of intellect. It is a number that matters in many ways. However people have to also understand that it is still highly overrated number and highly misunderstood number.

First of all lets think about it. If a study proves that high IQ people are more successful in all measures of life does it really mean lower IQs cant be successful? Well yes and no. It means they are less likely to be successful. The problem here is slightly statistical and practical. FIrst of all there are some measures of success that are arbitray and subjective. Apart from that even if objectively we can say high IQ is a plus its not always 100 percent guarantee anything. Its just potential. More importantly if you take average IQ people they are greater pool of people and thus naturally many of them maybe unsuccessful, but also whole bunch can scew the graph.

The point here is that people with same IQ are not of same intellectual capacity. I mean they are not intelligent on the same level.
IQ is intelligence quotient, but its not measure of actual intelligence. It is measurment of important capacity of human intellect nontheless, but its not the bottom line. There are other aspects of humans that make people intelligent. Even such small things as memory, or imagination, creativity, various ways of thinking etc. Simply said there are things we simply dont measure with IQ tests. There are many things in human intellect we dont even have objective measure for or even a particualr name. Yet the neural connections are there and they do work as advantage for humans.

There is also the issue how to define intelligence. I define it as deviation from instinct to solve problems with various levels of complexity with certain practical efficiency and ability to predict things and form practical models of reality that are beneficial for achiving desired goals. I mean there is some level of redudancy in that definition, but its just laymans definition. There are other defnitions outthere.

Since there is room for variations, its self evident that people of same IQ display different skill levels and abilities in problem solving. SO naturally being of average IQ in and of it self doesnt mean you are stupid it just means you are less likely to be as smart as.... the reason I am saying this is that a lot of people somehow often with higher IQs refer to people of average intellect as waaaaaaaaaaay more inferior. The fact is though that average IQ of wester person is pretty high number and is pretty decent intellectual level. I mean its not nobel prize stuff, (perhaps one day there will be such a thing as nb with a average IQ scientist or something) my point being it is decent capacity.

So the average is kind of low to say someone with IQ 130 +, but the true difference between intelligence of some with IQ 100 and 130 is not that great if you have really intelligent person with IQ 100 and someone really stupid with IQ 130.
Also true intelligence difference between two people with same IQ can be so great that in certain career it can mean the difference between being at the top of profession and at the very bottom.
 

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I read some book about skill acquisition a while back, where they showed that e.g. at the highest level of chess, skill level was negatively correlated with IQ. Skill is 99% practice and experience. I find IQ, and the belief that you measure "intelligence" with it, without having even defined what "intelligence" is or what the hell this "intelligence" matters when it comes to specific skills, an inane and offensively idiotic concept.
 

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Fun fact; in gradeschool / early highschool I was considered gifted. With an IQ if 130-140.

When I took the test again in my early 20s, I got about 105-110.

Does this mean I got stupider? I think it would be even lower today. It assumes your intellect constantly improves with age (or something like that).
 

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Alot can fit between the ears if you consider operant conditioning/rote learning. But what people often look for as intelligence is creativity. Handling a ton of information vs the way that information is put together qualitatively. The patterns that can be recognized/reconstructed vs the patterns that can be generated.

reconstructed - generated
rote learning - creativity
handling lots of information - information put together qualitatively

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reconstruction, rote learning, handling lots of information

These three are what IQ tests measure.

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creativity, pattern generation, put together information qualitatively

This is what IQ tests do not measure.

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What I consider intelligence is the basic ability to generate new information.
But also the ability to manipulate a ton of information at once.

Here is my definition form Dec 2018
Intelligence
Having an internal representation of the world and use it to imagine possibilities, selecting actions that will maximize one’s preferences.

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The variety of new information that can be generated is vast but it matters how the generator is set up. I barely have enough memory to work out ideas in my head. I barely hold enough information in my brain to work things out. I feel stuck all the time. I work in small chunks. I would like a better generator. Just to hold more in a balanced way. Everything is set up unevenly.
 

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I read some book about skill acquisition a while back, where they showed that e.g. at the highest level of chess, skill level was negatively correlated with IQ. Skill is 99% practice and experience. I find IQ, and the belief that you measure "intelligence" with it, without having even defined what "intelligence" is or what the hell this "intelligence" matters when it comes to specific skills, an inane and offensively idiotic concept.

Partly what was implied in the OP. Many intellectual activities dont correlate with IQ all the way. More importantly chess is a game of strategy and tactics, but also has many different rules that require mastery and training. Since measuring the level of analysis someone made and the level of experience is nearly impossible I am not even suprised something like this came up in correlations.
I played chess online a lot with a lot of people and I can safely say that a very stupid guy can beat a very smart guy simply because they have different playing experience.
Other factors include memory, ability to focus for long time, endurance of stress in timed games and so on. Way you apply strategy and tactics and way you analyse things overall is also complicated.

IQ measures certain things, but there is lot going on in the head during IQ tests that doesnt get measured. IQ also doesnt measure motivation. So for example a person that has no motivation to understand or think about something will simply never learn about a thing no matter what the IQ. Pretty obvious, but a lot of people think that IQ higher immediately correlates with knowing everything.

Irrational beliefs are another thing. People can have high IQs and believe whatever. Not just religion, but even atheist people with high IQs believe all kinds of nonsense. Simply put having false beliefs is universal among people no IQ can shield people from it.
 

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Fun fact; in gradeschool / early highschool I was considered gifted. With an IQ if 130-140.

When I took the test again in my early 20s, I got about 105-110.

Does this mean I got stupider? I think it would be even lower today. It assumes your intellect constantly improves with age (or something like that).
Your IQ should be the same all your life +/- some points. There are literally 100+ reasons for why you got different numbers.
Some reasons include lack of focus, due to sleep or emotional swings, enviromental distractions or lack of motivation. Psychological issues can play role. Other factors such as body toxicity damaging the brain or poor nutritions also play role. In all that also things like tests you took may have been calculated on different scales and so on. If I were you Id take another test to see if its really lower. If its lower it may also mean the first test may have been flawed or the first test was good and the second test shows your IQ dropped to something.
 

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I basically agree with OP, though it was a bit wordy.

IQ is a good predictor of success (or is good for a psychological construct anyway). But for most of the conversations I see on the internet, it'd be better to ask "are you successful?" than ask someone their IQ. What you have done is simply a better predictor of what you can do so long as you've had the opportunity.
 

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IQ doesn't matter because 98% of the population are below the level of synthesis (and 80%+ below one standard deviation). At the same time, many are prone to envy and competitiveness.

Better to have an IQ 2 standard deviations above and complain than to be dumber. On the other hand, corporations and life in general favor the 115-125 (SD15) range. But then, corporations favor that range for what reason?

Graphs show more income, attractiveness, and longevity (lifespan) with higher IQ. The average or typical (unsure) IQ among billionaires is 140.
 
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Well my best friend of like 20 years has an IQ higher than me I'm sure.. but we both got the same SAT score. So perhaps intelligence can't be measured accurately? At least, by an aptitude test..
 

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Well my best friend of like 20 years has an IQ higher than me I'm sure.. but we both got the same SAT score. So perhaps intelligence can't be measured accurately? At least, by an aptitude test..
That might just mean your friend did not put in enough effort. I had few friends in high school who I knew had IQ above 130 yet had C grades. Had a friend with C grades, but when he went to math olympics he entered the room 30 minutes late and left 30 minutes early and ended up 2nd place. Still didnt study for school though.
 
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