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Why do you think that the "i don't give a s*it" attitude is the most valuable?

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its not , its useful in certain situations, in others it make you seem like an antisocial prick

although you really dont give a damn, sometimes you have to act like you do, such as to whatr the boss said or some shithead authority,
 

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the way we stop fascism is that we pick up guitars and start strummin'

lmao
 

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"In times of peace, the warlike man attacks himself."

The reason people don't "bash fash" is because the group as a collective seems to oppose all thought and embody a berserker. If anti-fa had a sound political foundation they'd get much more support.
 

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Clearly the use of fascism is manipulating social sensitivity regarding the impact of Nazis, Italy and axis related powers in the 20th century. If you were to say "anti-corporatism" you'd probably get more support. Anyways, Anti-fa doesn't seem to have any political opposition or suggestions for change. It's just "I want to destroy everything I oppose." The movement is so one dimensional you could pull a kid off the street, tell him 5 phrases to shout and channel his anger against business and politics. It'd be that easy. It doesn't appeal to empathy it appeals to anger.
 

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its not , its useful in certain situations, in others it make you seem like an antisocial prick

although you really dont give a damn, sometimes you have to act like you do, such as to whatr the boss said or some shithead authority,

So you're telling me, because an authority said to obey that this command is self-evident?
Who elected your boss to boss you around?
 

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Clearly the use of fascism is manipulating social sensitivity regarding the impact of Nazis, Italy and axis related powers in the 20th century. If you were to say "anti-corporatism" you'd probably get more support. Anyways, Anti-fa doesn't seem to have any political opposition or suggestions for change. It's just "I want to destroy everything I oppose." The movement is so one dimensional you could pull a kid off the street, tell him 5 phrases to shout and channel his anger against business and politics. It'd be that easy. It doesn't appeal to empathy it appeals to anger.

You seem to have a quite narrow and frankly, american definition of antifa work that is mainly tainted by right wing media pundits painting the boogey man on the wall.
You could start with wikipedia.
 

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Unsere Stadt, merkt euch das!
Für euch ist kein Platz da
Alerta, Alerta Antifascista!
Wir stoppen eure Aufmärsche
Hetz-Propaganda
Alerta, Alerta Antifascista!
Egal wo ihr auftaucht
Wir sind zu erst da
Alerta, Alerta Antifascista!
Wir brauchen kein Verbot
Denn wir können das viel besser
Alerta, Alerta Antifascista!

Wir fahren nach Dresden, nach Hamburg Berlin
Nach Dortmund und Köln
Damit ihr einseht
Keinen Meter
Kriegt ihr
Weil hier gar nichts mehr geht
Zu Tausenden stellen wir uns euch in den Weg

Unsere Stadt, merkt euch das!
Für euch ist kein Platz da
Alerta, Alerta Antifascista!
Wir stoppen eure Aufmärsche
Hetz-Propaganda
Alerta, Alerta Antifascista!
Egal wo ihr auftaucht
Wir sind zu erst da
Alerta, Alerta Antifascista!
Wir brauchen kein Verbot
Denn wir können das viel besser
Alerta, Alerta Antifascista!

 

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Hey @a_ghost_from_your_past ! I've missed your strange seemingly random videos!

I don't think this attitude is the most important by itself. I do believe not giving a sh*t is an important survival skill. If you let yourself care all the time, you'll be rendered unable do anything for yourself or others. Compartmentalization is key.

Always not giving a sh*t about everything will make you homeless and starving in it's extreme. Used well, it'll make you able to help yourself and others in a way that best suites the obstacles in your environment.

I find myself having to not give a crap about other's morals and ethics, because can't do anything about that. Otherwise, I'll become one of those crazies that feels like they have the ethical high-ground to kill other people (maybe not that extreme..), and that's a dangerous deluded place.

I do not let myself slip in not giving a crap about my own ethics and morals, and how much I can do in my environment. Not giving a crap allows me to forgive myself for the things I don't know nor have time for, but giving into that mindset indefinitely
would be the ultimate disservice to life, which is a gift (to be cliche).
 

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It is an essential attitude for anyone in a position of "Fuck You". The Fuck You position is more about attitude than status, as not giving a shit gives one the privilege of Fuck You over an individual of higher status that gives too much of a shit about the exact same thing.
 

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its not , its useful in certain situations, in others it make you seem like an antisocial prick

although you really dont give a damn, sometimes you have to act like you do, such as to whatr the boss said or some shithead authority,

So you're telling me, because an authority said to obey that this command is self-evident?
Who elected your boss to boss you around?

you depend on his money to be a wage slave, thats how capitalism works
 

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There is a reason we are so capable of lying and acting, its because humans don't mesh perfectly. If you truly do not care, you will not make even the slightest effort, to present yourself in a way others find tolerable. Nobody wants to spend time with a person that doesn't value them. If you don't care about friends, or money, or yourself, you will become nobody, the perfect bystander, in your own life. People will bring excitement, and fulfillment to your life, and if you can't even put in a slight effort, to care for them, you will lose them. Ive sort of been living what I just described, lately.

Selectively, not giving a fuck, is the goal.
I think moderation is a skill everyone can use.
 

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the way we stop fascism is that we pick up guitars and start strummin'

lmao

No, we punch Nazis in the face, so they can't organize violence on a state level.
I guarantee that at least 95% of these guys running around smashing windows and stuff, if they were born 70 years earlier in Germany, would be lining up for the Hitler Youth clubs like good little boys lol.

One has to be a non-idiot, a deeply-thinking human, in order not to be a cog in a tyrannical machine. These people are just acting out their neuroses, there's nothing politically impressive about them. They do what they do because it's easy. They put on a mask, go out and smash some windows – usually without consequences – then they go home to their Apple laptops and write some provocative messages on twitter while sipping on a starbucks coffee
 

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The mentality of "not giving a shit" is at least two-fold.
One is the regular apolitical petit bourgeois ideology being promoted, which leads people into the trapping of believing that their "household"/"family" or their individual fate integrated into the larger system is the being all, end all of everything.
This also, encourages political apathy. Which makes prospective change ever so less likely.
This is related to an apathy concerning the rise of a fascist movement, and the trust in the centrist political parties to be able to deal with it.
(Which historical and recent evidence proves they are not.)
The other is kind of taking heroic stance despite all the odds against you making a difference, like when you throw yourself on top of a suicidal person who was betting on the subway.
(I can't find the footage, but a black man threw himself on a commuter and saved him/her, probaby 5 years ago)
This is the allegory which i want to put anti-fascist action most into similarity.
You know that the system will find multitude of ways of crushing and crippling an asylum seeker, but at least you will have prevented him/her from being mangled by fascist cavemen.
And from there on you can develop other strategies,
but in that moment you can't afford to be a bystander.
Of course this only applies to the moment when you have to decide whether it's them or us. The real struggle goes much further than that.
I must admit that my question was a provocative catch question and i'm pleased by the various directions in replies that were posted.

From an individual psychology perspective, of course, autonomy can ever only truly be achieved when you draw a line in the sand.
"This is me, these are my principles and values, either you can agree with that or we just wont have much in common, i'm not going to bend over backwards to please you."
This of course doesn't mean that you should be a narcissistic asshole, but as has been suggested, there must be a balance and this balance expresses itself in mutual respect.
And i and nazis happen to not mutually respect each other.
Can you fabulize a scenario where a nazi mutually respects you?
 

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the way we stop fascism is that we pick up guitars and start strummin'

lmao

No, we punch Nazis in the face, so they can't organize violence on a state level.
I guarantee that at least 95% of these guys running around smashing windows and stuff, if they were born 70 years earlier in Germany, would be lining up for the Hitler Youth clubs like good little boys lol.

One has to be a non-idiot, a deeply-thinking human, in order not to be a cog in a tyrannical machine. These people are just acting out their neuroses, there's nothing politically impressive about them. They do what they do because it's easy. They put on a mask, go out and smash some windows – usually without consequences – then they go home to their Apple laptops and write some provocative messages on twitter while sipping on a starbucks coffee

Again, you show your ignorance by equating anti-fascists with fascists.
Clearly you have not done any historical homework on this.
I bet in your twisted head the nazis were socialists as well.
Because, duh, they were calling themselves the national socialists.
*palmface*
 

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the way we stop fascism is that we pick up guitars and start strummin'

lmao

No, we punch Nazis in the face, so they can't organize violence on a state level.
I guarantee that at least 95% of these guys running around smashing windows and stuff, if they were born 70 years earlier in Germany, would be lining up for the Hitler Youth clubs like good little boys lol.

One has to be a non-idiot, a deeply-thinking human, in order not to be a cog in a tyrannical machine. These people are just acting out their neuroses, there's nothing politically impressive about them. They do what they do because it's easy. They put on a mask, go out and smash some windows – usually without consequences – then they go home to their Apple laptops and write some provocative messages on twitter while sipping on a starbucks coffee

Again, you show your idiocy by equating anti-fascists with fascists.
Clearly you have not done any historical homework on this.
I bet in your twisted head the nazis were socialists as well.
Because, duh, they were calling themselves the national socialists.
*palmface*
I absolutely have done the historical homework, especially on the genealogy of the term "fascist" in post-WWII history, with pioneers within the art of inter-group agitation like Adorno, Marcuse etc. I view groups like antifa basically as unwitting acolytes of these people; they are like programmed machines that are unaware of who programmed them.

Other than that you don't seem to understand the parallel I draw between fascists and so-called anti-fascists, although I thought I put everything pretty plainly.
 

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It does have limited value. It has value in that we often are making a choice between things and sometimes we have to exclude one type of thing in order to include other type of thing. Sometimes the mind can handle only limited information and best thing one can do is focus on the most important facts. In time of crisis the best thing is to figure out what is the most important thing and do that.

However if you have too much of one track mind you will eventually impoverish your life if you exclude too many things in favor of one or two things.
It takes skill and good habits to strike optimal balance.
Yes many times the best thing is simply not giving too much shit and focus on critical stuff that matters most. What that is depends on your own goals.
 

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the way we stop fascism is that we pick up guitars and start strummin'

lmao

No, we punch Nazis in the face, so they can't organize violence on a state level.
I guarantee that at least 95% of these guys running around smashing windows and stuff, if they were born 70 years earlier in Germany, would be lining up for the Hitler Youth clubs like good little boys lol.

One has to be a non-idiot, a deeply-thinking human, in order not to be a cog in a tyrannical machine. These people are just acting out their neuroses, there's nothing politically impressive about them. They do what they do because it's easy. They put on a mask, go out and smash some windows – usually without consequences – then they go home to their Apple laptops and write some provocative messages on twitter while sipping on a starbucks coffee

Again, you show your idiocy by equating anti-fascists with fascists.
Clearly you have not done any historical homework on this.
I bet in your twisted head the nazis were socialists as well.
Because, duh, they were calling themselves the national socialists.
*palmface*
I absolutely have done the historical homework, especially on the genealogy of the term "fascist" in post-WWII history, with pioneers within the art of inter-group agitation like Adorno, Marcuse etc. I view groups like antifa basically as unwitting acolytes of these people; they are like programmed machines that are unaware of who programmed them.

Other than that you don't seem to understand the parallel I draw between fascists and so-called anti-fascists, although I thought I put everything pretty plainly.

Apart from having to argue against a person, who has deleted himself,
your commonplaceness combined with namedropping doesn't actually address the argument.
You are an unenlightened horseshoe-theory believer.

Adorno and Marcuse are not even in the same boat on many things, you pretender.
You just project your half-witted jingoism formed by equally dimwitted "critics" of the left upon your perspective.

You think i mistook your "excellent" arguments and therefore didn't understand your cheap propaganda, while in reality i could see 10 miles through you, you bootlicker.
 
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