When will vaping become safe?

[dark+matters]

Vaping without nicotine- when do you think it will become safe? Will it ever become safe? I keep reading articles on the internet and hear little rumors on campus about how it is not safe and isn't likely to ever become safe. I watched a video in which a chemist did an experiment which ended up implying that there are a lot of heavy metals that get transmitted into one's lungs when one vapes anything (including the natural, fruity/fake baked goods flavors, which is what I would be interested in).

I am looking to pick up habit to replace my stress eating. Gum chewing does not work for me. I have asthma/anxiety issues and taking several tiny little portable breaks in studying to go outside and breathe deeply while avoiding the snack shops sounds incredibly appealing to me. My friend at my new college was into vaping as a replacement for her traditional cigarettes, so she was already acclimated to the idea of her lungs taking a hit, but I have no interest in using any kind of substances. I just want safe, distracting, tastiness inbetween classes without the calories or the unhealthy substances. Is that ever going to be a realistic thing to hope for?

 

[Helvete]

I would seriously consider your reasons for doing this though as 'looking to pick up habit to replace my stress eating' isn't going to solve any of your problems. You shouldn't have to rely on something just to get you through your normal daily activities.
I would suggest looking into other things such as meditating or even just breathing exercises, as these help a lot with stress/anxiety will help to clear your mind and can help you feel physically better too. I currently suck at meditating so can't offer any real advice about it but I do a lot of deep breathing (for different reasons) and it helps to calm relax my mind/body and can offer instant relief.

Spoiler

You can already vape safely without nicotine or any of the other nasty chemicals you're worried about.

Spoiler

It's a weed vape, or herbal vape; you put whatever inside and vape it.

 

[StevenM]

^exactly what helvete says.

I'm thinking about starting vaping again, but seeing if a bit more information has been found since my last attempt. From what I gather, the consensus is, we still do not know just how safe it is.

However, about the heavy metals, they are only in trace amounts. Which is still bad. But definitely better than actually smoking. Actually, we aren't sure if it can be effectively used for harm reduction either.

One of the biggest things they really are worried about is people starting to use them, when (I think?) they were originally for a smoking cessation. (Even though there's no evidence that they are effective as such. ) Sure no nicotine now, but perhaps later you'll try it out. An occasional puff of nicotine shouldn't harm ya, would it? Just as long as it's once a day, and oh fuck, welcome to quit smoking clinics. Try not to poison yourself or anybody else with the vaping juice.

I think it's a bit agreed upon, that if you're a heavy smoker, who's tried all the tested cessation options and still having a hard time, it can be an avenue to try out.

I know they make them look cool and stylish and all. I find that helps to get inspired to ditch the cigs, and have the motivation in using the e-cig though.

 

[INTPWolf]

theres a lot of myths surrounding vapes and i am dumbfounded by some of the claims, like the one about formaldehyde being produced by vapes.
Here's the equation for the oxidation of propylene glycol C3H8O2 to formaldehyde CH2O : CH2OH−CHOH−CH3+2O2 ---->2CH2O+2H2O+CO2

This shows that CO2 is also created, carbon dioxide is a very easy chemical to detect with accuracy. And in NOT ONE study has been able to detect carbon dioxide in e cig vapor, they are spouting remote possibilities as facts to make up reasons why vapor is harmful.

The myth that tin, silver, iron, nickel, aluminum, and silicate traces were found IS true, HOWEVER the tests were performed on cheap crap china made replaceable cartomizer, like blu ecigs. These are total garbage, not the high quality vaporizers that many vapers use.
More on that, coil wire used for the heat filaments are generally made of either Kanthal, Nichrome, pure silver, or Nickel. None of these produce any form of byproduct until heated to roughly 600°C, far higher than the maximum vaping temperature of roughly 175°C

Nicotine, this poor simple stimulant gets so much flack for being in cigarettes, that no one ever even thinks to consider that outside the realm of big tobacco, it is only as harmful, and only as addicting as caffeine. But everyone touts about it like its meth or something, NO, that would be the other 3,999 chemicals in a cigarette. Did you know that a cigarette has chemicals in its smoke that makes you feel stressed and depressed only after 20 min after smoking, making you want to reach for another one? Nicotine is not the biggest badguy here, so stop saying it is!

I am a former smoker, i smoked upwards of a pack + 5 or so cigarillos a day for about 4 months and i felt like hell, i started feeling the lack of breath while biking. So i went and tried vapor, found a shop and after 4 days BAM! DONE! addiction gone, never again wanted to pick up another nasty cigarette. I hacked up a ton of black flem for the next month, then my lungs felt 100% again. I quit vapes a little while ago, just to prove that i could, all you have to do is get 0 nic fluid, puff on that for a week. then just put your vape on the shelf. But i picked it up not long after, i like vaping, and not in the same way a smoker likes smoking. i like the flavor, i like the clouds, i like vape culture and my vaporizer is a good ice breaker amongst other vapers. I stopped popping my knuckles because i have something else to focus on, and i like to puff on it whilst plotting my next move in MTG.

Now i know time will tell if vapes are totally safe, but they are amazing in contrast to "analog cigs"( term vapers use to refer to regular ignition based cigs) And i have entertained the idea of opening my own vape shop more than once.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Edit; Also i forgot to mention, research has shown that people with asthma can even benefit from vaping, depending on vg or pg contents and added flavors. What people don't realise is that the dangerous secondhand smoke comes from the end of the cigarette, not the smoke that comes from the smokers lungs. Second hand vapor is not an any way toxic nor does it contain anywhere near enough nic to actually have an effect, and my vapor clouds smell of pancakes and coffee and people often comment on how pleasant that is.

 

[DakotaAllen]

Hey! Just found this site and this is my first post on it. I know it's from a while ago but I wanted to put in my opinion. Vaping isn't something that's going to become safe. It's either safe now or it isn't. Right now no one can know. There hasn't been enough long term studies on it because they're a newer product. My opinion is that they're probably not safe, simply because it's too good to be true. I think the question is going to be if they're better or worse for you than cigarettes. I've been smoking Mavericks for about two years now and I'm reluctant to switch to e cigarettes. Why? Cause I know just how bad cigarettes are. I can smoke them for 5-8 years and if I decide to quit my lungs will heal to normal over the next 10-15. My chances for lung cancer will be pretty damn low, it's a gamble though. Or, I can smoke for the next 15-20 years and get diagnosed in my mid to late thirties, forties, maybe never lol. Point is I know where I stand with it because people have been smoking tobacco for centuries. It's a bad habit either way but at least you know what you're getting. With e cigarettes you may know what you're puffing on but you know nothing of what it will do to you long term. Plus like I said, anything that good probably isn't true. Either way you don't really want to pick up a nicotine habit, especially to avoid over eating. Either stress eat celery, exercise and eat all you want, or change the habit with something that won't kill you.

 

[Architect]

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[Sinny91]

What INTPwolf and Architect said.
Dunno what ya'll are vaping on, but I was vaping veggie oil and felt great after quitting conventional smoking. I didn't last, I gotta work on that. Vaping's great, I have no idea why there is a big push of antivaping propaganda.

 

[DakotaAllen]

Anti aping propaganda is probably pushed by the billion dollar tobacco industry

 

[Sinny91]

I'm confused about the decline in the embrace of the tobacco industry by .Gov.

All seems rather sudden.

The EU is trying to eradicate smoking all together. Makes me wonder about the business behind it all.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

The lungs aren't designed to take in the crap that is inhaled from those things. Its ridiculous to quibble about the details of whats in it.

I'd say in about 10-200 million years of evolution vaping won't retard one's ability to thrive and evolve positively into the future.

And thats assuming everyone on planet earth is vaping and all the normal non vaping lungs in the population didn't exist.

For now the retards vaping and smoking will have to be content with the knowledge that they are retarding their evolution and that of any offspring they have.

 

[Sinny91]

Lol same goes for 90% of the so called 'food' we're eating, going to rant about those retards too? How about vaccines?

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Agreed about the crappy diet a lot of people are stuck on.

I eat healthy. A lot of people ignore the fast food culture and go there own way.

It takes some extra effort and time (advanced planning) to go out of one's way but typically it seems like its possible. I think I spend a lot less money too.

Vaccines? I don't know I haven't studied this one deep enough I can't say anything knowledgeable about it.

 

[Lol]

I'm confused about the decline in the embrace of the tobacco industry by .Gov.

All seems rather sudden.

The EU is trying to eradicate smoking all together. Makes me wonder about the business behind it all.

Not sure about countries with private healthcare, but here in the UK it could be because the cost of smoking to the NHS is greater than the tax revenue gained from the industry. Then theres cost to productivity (smoke breaks and sick days), or maybe governments just care about us..