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what is existence?

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what exist and what doesnt exist (outside of self)

what exists as abstract form (information or memory) or a real/physical from

i would say A exist or is real because it can be moved and touched or has physical/tangilbe form,

if one cannot move or touch or sense it then it is not real in relation to you.

what about the existence of time, can it be moved or touched?
 

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existence implies what is real or not real, must have some physical or tangible form (outside your brain and body)

can this law be broken or violated, something that exists but have no physical or tangible form
a thing exists because it has a physical or tangible form, otherwise it is merely an idea or abstraction or memory.
 

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does existence necessary= physical existence?

can non-physical objects exist, what does it mean to have physical quality anyway,
 

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You can't prove a negative, not because a negative isn't true but rather because the positive needs to be true before you can prove the negative. For example I can't prove unicorns don't exist, it is a reasonable assumption, but if unicorns don't exist then what is a unicorn if not defined by its nonexistence? Thus even if one were to genetically engineer a bio-luminescent white horse with a narwhal horn sticking out of its head, a creature that could only be described as a unicorn, we would still have to specify that it is merely genetically engineered imitation of a unicorn, because unicorns don't exist and since this does it clearly can't be a unicorn.

Don't do epistemological skepticism, it makes you feel smart but sound stupid.
 

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the conditions of existence imv are:

what exists must possess these three things, presence, form and quality, what does not must possess neither,

i am trying to figure out the difference between existence and non existence of external objects. form can either be tangible or intangible. the negative of something must be the positive of something.

then one will inquire further what is form and quality/essence.

i am not sure what you meant cog but i will try to follow your tips. maybe you can elaborate.
 

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Before we can make any argument certain fundamental assumptions need to be made, for instance lets say I'm holding a can of SPAM, does this can of SPAM exist?

I appears to exist but can I trust appearances and if I can't trust appearances how can I be certain of anything and if I can't be certain of anything how can I be sure if anything exists and if I don't know if anything exists how do I even know what existence is?

It's good to have an open mind but if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out, before we can question whether or not a can of SPAM exists we first need a reason to question it. If unlike everything else we interact with cans of SPAM have uncertain ontological inertia, that is to say if you look away a can of SPAM might not be there when you look back only to inexplicably appear elsewhere. If that were the case then we would have good cause to question the existence of SPAM, maybe SPAM exists but has some inter-dimensional property, maybe it's just a hallucination, maybe we never saw the SPAM but something is causing us to remember the past incorrectly, etc.

But without a good reason to do so asking these questions is kinda silly.
 

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Do you have some thought disorder? You seem to be unable to follow your own thoughts. Often in these threads you ask things and it looks like word salad to me.
You seem to use words in very loose way and often go from post to post changing meaning of the same words you use. Either use words properly or at least stick to your own definition of words, but if you use unconventional definitions it would be easier to talk if you actually provide definition of words.
Any silly person can toss words around.

Am I real is Barney real is COVID real is idea real is nothing real if it is nothign etc. booring and nonsense.
 

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to understand what existence is , i decided to use God as an example

i can argue that God can exist because he has form and presence, qualitty and geometry

while i can also argue god cannot exist because i cannot sense his form and presence quailty and geometry.

He seems intangilbe and non- present, therefore implying non existence

the same principle could be applied to ghosts or fictional creatures.

presence precedes existence, for a thing to exist, it must be present.
 

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Do you have some thought disorder? You seem to be unable to follow your own thoughts. Often in these threads you ask things and it looks like word salad to me.
You seem to use words in very loose way and often go from post to post changing meaning of the same words you use. Either use words properly or at least stick to your own definition of words, but if you use unconventional definitions it would be easier to talk if you actually provide definition of words.
Any silly person can toss words around.

Am I real is Barney real is COVID real is idea real is nothing real if it is nothign etc. booring and nonsense.

you sound like an idiot so i am only entertain you with the below response only,

Yes , I could be writing nonsense , gibberish, or word salad as you put it, but you are the one who choose to open and read my post/thread etc. no one is putting a gun in your head to read and enjoy my posts. Maybe you should start blaming you eyes?
 

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you sound like an idiot so i am only entertain you with the below response only,

Maybe I sound like, but I am pretty sure my response was on point and if you cannot see that it is not my problem.

Yes , I could be writing nonsense , gibberish, or word salad as you put it, but you are the one who choose to open and read my post/thread etc.

So is this confession that this thread is nonsense, gibberish and word salad or are you willing to write something meaningful for change?

no one is putting a gun in your head to read and enjoy my posts

I can read what I want and think what I want. No gun is necessary for that.
Question is whether you can articulate a point that is relatable?

Maybe you should start blaming you eyes?
It is not a blame game.
 

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nah, I will just continue my way of writing style of gibberish and nonsense, and giving you the middle finger. you however, have the choice of closing your eyes and blocking me.

i came here to write because i am uncertain about concepts and want some meaningful input, which means kind of a thought dump. if i can figure it out everything on my own, i wouldnt have chosen to post and inquire here.

the key concepts of this thread are form, existence, nothing, and being, presnece,, and the title of thread which seeks the answer, its your fault if you have reading comprehension problems and cant grasp it.
 

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nah, I will just continue my way of writing style of gibberish and nonsense, and giving you the middle finger. you however, have the choice of closing your eyes and blocking me.

i came here to write because i am uncertain about concepts and want some meaningful input, which means kind of a thought dump. if i can figure it out everything on my own, i wouldnt have chosen to post and inquire here.

the key concepts of this thread are form, existence, nothing, and being, presnece,, and the title of thread which seeks the answer, its your fault if you have reading comprehension problems and cant grasp it.

See my point as a whole was more along the lines of that you can actually write anything. Writing down stuff just means putting letters into words and words into sentences. It does not necessarily mean what you write makes sense.

In a way it is easy to trick yourself to write down stuff and believe it and think it is right.
However inconsistent writing leads to confusion, that leads to less understanding and less understanding leads to more problems. So your lack of effort to put 2 and 2 together leads to texts that further push you away from understanding the topic.

But if you want others to solve the problem then you at least should be thoughtful enough to know what it is you want to know.
Because from your text it is wholly unclear what you are trying to say or express or understand in which case people can only guess what you mean, without being certain.

For example:
what exist and what doesnt exist (outside of self)

What does this sentence mean? Do you mean to say that what exists is outside of you as person or that it exits also in minds of others or what? What does this question signify?

what exists as abstract form (information or memory) or a real/physical from

Are you trying to claim duality between information and energy or are you trying to learn where does the line stand on what is abstract and real. Because abstraction is basically phyiscal in our brain and memory and if you mean the information independently we might assert that they do exist or do not exist as abstraction.
Or we might say that information and physical stuff is just two sides of the same coin.
We might also simply say that what has energy is real and that which is abstract is not real, but then that is semantics and way we define real.
The problem is these things are not necessarily answerable since it depends on what concept of physical you are using and what you define real.

i would say A exist or is real because it can be moved and touched or has physical/tangilbe form,

Well that defines universe as whole. Everything that interacts with everything else is simply real and is thus the world the universe. Something that cannot interact with other stuff in our universe is not part of it, but suppose we could know a thing in theory that is not part of our universe. The problem is we would not be able to confirm its existence.

if one cannot move or touch or sense it then it is not real in relation to you.

Are you talking of lacking knowledge? However if we do not know about a planet in our solar system and then someone discovers it are you saying that the planet did not exist until I have read the news article where they discovered it?

what about the existence of time, can it be moved or touched?

Yes. I can move the hand of analogue clock back or forward anyway I want. It will not however change the time.
 

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For example:
what exist and what doesnt exist (outside of self)

What does this sentence mean? Do you mean to say that what exists is outside of you as person or that it exits also in minds of others or what? What does this question signify?

I was talking objective existence, things existing outside of self and has physical form.
i am pretty sure you get it. i did not imply any thoughts and ideas that exist in other people's minds.

subjective existence is your own existence only.
 

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without form and being, a thing or entity could not exist

someone might accuse me of writing word salad, but that is my latest eureka.
 

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Existence: what is real in the world that one perceives. There is a difference between existence and man-made, there is the 'primacy of existence.' It means existence exists, that the universe exists independent of consciousness, that things are what they are, that they possess the specific nature, an identity. Consciousness perceives what exists, man gains knowledge by looking outward.
 

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One can only touch upon wisdom after having viewed the world through a trillion eyes.
 

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"realness" is obvious a quality of something

what makes a thing real, the very fact that is it is physical

does it mean a non-physical is non real?

if it is in front of you and it is physical, makes it real.
it all goes back to the philosophical school of physicalism.

if it is real, then it implies existence.
 

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if a thing is real, you interact with it, then there is effect and reaction

if a thing is not real, you interact with it, there is no effect and reaction
 
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