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- Nov 4, 2010
QFTThere is no objective "evil". However, it seems the way people determine what is "evil" and what is "good" is by what is detrimental to their psychological, spiritual, emotional and physical well-being. So, you might say, evil is a threat.
If the society I live in is to be believed, To be evil is to stand in opposition to whatever the view-holder values, regardless to the fact that the reverse is also true.
Therefore, all points of view are evil. Perhaps thinking itself is evil.
Destructiveness. But we don't have to be satisfied with an abstract, unconnected term.define it
I wonder if we can name particular occurrences where we are uncertain they are evil or not?What is evil as a universal?
First we would have to isolate what common factor(s) all particular instances of evil have. I might make a list off the top of my head:
1. Subjective: it involves subjects (people) both doing evil and suffering evil.
2. Pain: it causes pain (psychological, physical etc) to an individual or a group of people.
3. A will: whoever is doing evil is willingly committing evil in the present. If I do something now that will satisfy 1 and 2 in the future, it wouldn't be evil if I had no intention to do evil or knowledge that it could become evil.
I don't think evil itself can be defined without particular instances of evil being used as an example, since what is evil is purely based on perspective.
Lyra is a person on this forum (the one I linked to) who has been banned several times before on other forum accounts. Their recent thread is condoning Nazism as some sort of "numinous" greatness. The fact that you say Vega is evil led me to think you were referencing Lyra because Vega is a star in the Lyra constellation. I guess this was a false connection that I made.I'm not sure who Lyra is.
As well as thousands of others.
Vega is also dichotomized along with Lya in a galactic race of peoples. Vega are the darker skinned peoples and Lyra are the lighter-skinned peoples.Lyra is a person on this forum (the one I linked to) who has been banned several times before on other forum accounts. Their recent thread is condoning Nazism as some sort of "numinous" greatness. The fact that you say Vega is evil led me to think you were referencing Lyra because Vega is a star in the Lyra constellation. I guess this was a false connection that I made.
I quite like Dr. Zimbardo's definition, and there aren't many people more expert on the psychology of evil (and good) than he is.
The exercise of power to intentionally harm (psychologically), hurt (physically) and/or, destroy (mortally) and commit crimes against humanity.I first read his book The Lucifer Effect a few years back, and I still haven't found anything in this definition I would remove, nor thought of anything to add.
I like Dr. Zimbardo's definition. It breaks down the single word, "destructive" into sections.if hate<self-interest: then the evil person is not destructive, but sadistic/narcissistic (e.g. secretly destructive)
I suppose a lifetime of evil would be okay for the evil party ... if they could get away with it. The problem is, lifetime is still long. The more evil they are the more others will catch on and try to do something about it. (This extends to warrior cultures as well. Do too much warring and others will rise up against you.)conclusion: given certain beliefs/contraints (such as a finite lifetime) it can be "right" for the evil person itself. it is however NEVER right for all other participants.
therefore we could say it is universally wrong (e.g. for all human cultures). what is your opinion on this?
ah.. i know the answer to "why evil is there" pretty well:The next thing we could ask is, if evil is so bad, why is it there?
You forgot the premise; it was informal from the beginning.and this is supposed to be a formal debate
Icy, I've looked at your statement, turned it over in my mind and find I cannot disagree. If I change my mind, where do you want to meet?
Not a false connection. Go here, look at the picture on the right, and then the heading just below it:Lyra is a person on this forum (the one I linked to) who has been banned several times before on other forum accounts. Their recent thread is condoning Nazism as some sort of "numinous" greatness. The fact that you say Vega is evil led me to think you were referencing Lyra because Vega is a star in the Lyra constellation. I guess this was a false connection that I made.
Yes.Lyra, would you say that the search for a truly honest confrontation of reality as a whole amounts to evil? By as a whole, I mean accepting and even embracing suffering as a vital cause of life, inseparable from joy.
Ditto.Because a lot of people seem to take it that way. I used to openly advocate practices that let us heal ourselves emotionally and promote compassion, but I've found that my idea of compassion is often interpreted by others as some kind of attack on their lifestyles comparable to "evil."
Interesting, makes sense to me.Objectively speaking, I cannot define evil, but my intuition tells me the following:
Evil is a polarity reversal of Love, where both are dualistic forces, each with an outward force and an inward force. The polarity reversal is in the active vs. passive. For example:
Love has an active outward force (giving) and a passive inward force (receiving).
Evil has a passive outward force (guilt-giving*) and an active inward force (taking).
*I define guilt-giving as allowing others to take from Self, which implies that this may be done in order to justify Self's taking from others.