Rixus

I introverted think. Therefore, I am.
And the most amusing.

Most - For me, as INTP, I most like the fact that I can learn almost anything and see it a simple concept were others are still struggling to make sense of it.
Least - I would say the inability to form connections with people. But then I realised it doesn't really bother me that much most of the time. What bothers me the most is that I just lose motivation and give up on something for no reason other than that I lost interest.

Two sides of the same coin - I can learn anything really quickly, but will give up on it just as I'm becoming one of the best at it.

Most amusing - I have a head full of useless information and remember pointless details from years ago, but can't remember where I put my keys or why the hell I'm stood in this room.

Sinny91

Banned
What I like most : I can entertain myself
Least: Most people bore me
Most amusing: The dialogue in my head

Rixus

I introverted think. Therefore, I am.
What I like most : I can entertain myself
Least: Most people bore me
Most amusing: The dialogue in my head
Hard to disagree with that. I look insane when I burst into laughter at some train of thought I'm having. It's so much more entertaining than what when someone attempts small talk.

zerkalo

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infp.

hate: self absorbed, lazy and self defeating

love: curiousity, maybe righteousness

PmjPmj

Full of stars.
Most like my perception. Be it 'the bigger picture', seeing the core of an issue or brute-forcing my way through someone's bullshit. It's vary rare that my perception falters; I'm very usually on-point.

Dislike Sometimes it's hard to shift my arse into gear because I'm stuck in Ni-Zen mode. Said mode serves its purpose and most often I do get shit done... but compared to my ENTJ wife, I'm not very proactive at all.

I'm amused by... My sense of humour. I'm often amused by myself, too. A self satisfied twat... but meh.

Rixus

I introverted think. Therefore, I am.
Really? I thought INTJs were a lot like us INTPs, but more proactive and a lot better at saying the painful truth when needs be, and seeing through bullshit. (Though I can do that to some extent - trying to lie to me in person is like trying to tell someone it's not raining when they're stood out in it, be I usually can't be bothered to do anything about it or I'll just play along if it amuses me. Or, even better, play with them and see how far they'll take the lie.)

Rixus

I introverted think. Therefore, I am.
infp.

hate: self absorbed, lazy and self defeating

love: curiousity, maybe righteousness
I know a few INFPs and usually find them quite pleasant and easy going. Plus they usually just let me be me and not have to pretend to be normal, so I wouldn't say self absorbed at all. Unless they have particularly strong feelings on the subject, and then everyone has to know. But to be fair, they don't seem to expect you to share those feelings.

The Gopher

President
INFP?

Hate other INFP's (zerk gets a pass) when I'm an INFJ I hate other INFJ's as well.

I love myself though.

Rixus

I introverted think. Therefore, I am.
Do INTJs get the minds eye thing? I have a minds eye that can give me extremely clear mental images and can imagine very clear scenarios almost like simulations (like Einstein's thought experiments, I thought). It's like having a high powered graphics card in my brain. Or is just me?

Push to Start
INFP?

Hate other INFP's (zerk gets a pass) when I'm an INFJ I hate other INFJ's as well.

I love myself though.
+1

I seem to teeter between P/J depending on ${STUFF}. Same thing. I think. Put me in a room with myself and I'll fight myself to the death for the right to be me. Do love myself a lot. I'm fucking awesome. PmjPmj Full of stars. Really? I thought INTJs were a lot like us INTPs, but more proactive and a lot better at saying the painful truth when needs be, and seeing through bullshit. (Though I can do that to some extent - trying to lie to me in person is like trying to tell someone it's not raining when they're stood out in it, be I usually can't be bothered to do anything about it or I'll just play along if it amuses me. Or, even better, play with them and see how far they'll take the lie.) Level of productivity etc. isn't type related, though generally I've noted that dominant judgers tend to be more inclined to executing their goals etc. Don't forget that INTJs are dominant perceivers. I'm known to colleagues as pragmatic because in work I get shit done, but friends and family know the true me - a navel-gazing asshat who wants to spend his time taking afternoon naps in the sun. As for cutting through bullshit and telling harsh truths... yes. Both of those things - but there are myriad variations within every type. I can go quite deep into the differences between INTP and INTJ given that my best friend is INTP (Jaffster on here, I believe). Both confirmed by SCIENCE and shit. Do INTJs get the minds eye thing? I have a minds eye that can give me extremely clear mental images and can imagine very clear scenarios almost like simulations (like Einstein's thought experiments, I thought). It's like having a high powered graphics card in my brain. Or is just me? Personally, yes. My imagination is both highly visual and auditory. I create worlds within. That's why I spend 99% of my time wishing reality would fuck off ¬_¬ I have my own, and it's far more interesting. PmjPmj Full of stars. Oh, and yes - INFPs do need to fuck off. Fortunately, I've only known a few in my time but holy shit. Without exception, they are the fucking worst. Even more annoying than ISFJs. Interestingly, ISFPs get a pass. I boned one and everything. Rixus I introverted think. Therefore, I am. The only type I cannot do is probably ESFJs. Total aliens. I was once stuck in a room with one. Half an hour was too dam much. I'm not sure who wanted to gone most, though. Me or him. I've only met a couple of INTJs. But I've always liked them. I'd much rather straight talk then faffing around with niceties. I'd rather know where I stand. I don't like me, so I'm not gonna take offence if you don't. Rixus I introverted think. Therefore, I am. While I find INFPs and possibly ENFPs perfectly tolerable, some feelers can be pretty annoying when they're wittering on about their feelings. God. Like recently, this guy called me in work. Needed a job done. I did it. And then he called my boss and said, "he did my job, but I just didn't feel like he wanted to." WTF? Why cares? I did your job. What? Where you expecting some sexual favours while I was at it? Turnevies Active Member Best thing: Getting to the bottom of things, look from multiple perspectives and focus on the long-term purpose. Worst thing: loss of the childish naïvity that for example an ESFP bartender or so would have. When I think about it, I should start doing more not-intellectual geeky things maybe to serve this purpose. Funnyiest thing: the more I get into depth of how nature, life and people work, the more I see the complexity, the responsibility and significance of everything in this picture because it all influences each other and sometimes I wonder how someone could ever make all those decisions. Rixus I introverted think. Therefore, I am. +1 Put me in a room with myself and I'll fight myself to the death for the right to be me. Do love myself a lot. I'm fucking awesome. If I were such in a room with myself, either it would be, "at last! Someone with half a brain that I can hand a decent conversation with!" or we'd just sit there and not have anything to say. Eventually, I'd have to challenge myself to a fight to the death just to see what would happen. I mean, who would actually win? Artsu Tharaz Resident Resident best: being imaginative worst: poor at socialising Animekitty (adopted potato) INFP - Dio INFP? Hate other INFP's (zerk gets a pass) when I'm an INFJ I hate other INFJ's as well. I love myself though. We are all so adorable together. btw you have been my favorite forum president so far. Do INTJs get the minds eye thing? I have a minds eye that can give me extremely clear mental images and can imagine very clear scenarios almost like simulations (like Einstein's thought experiments, I thought). It's like having a high powered graphics card in my brain. Or is just me? lucky I can't see anything, anything at all. it drives me mad. Rixus I introverted think. Therefore, I am. lucky I can't see anything, anything at all. it drives me mad. It's a lot like when you have a clear memory of something - only I control the imagery. To a certain extent. Sometimes it's just a random or the images just come. Like how I always envision your avatar talking. It even has a lot of facial expressions and gestures. I know the INTP has very strong introverted senses so ours would likely be clearer than most. But I didn't know it was possible not to have any. I can't imagine it. I suppose it's like how I wonder what it's like to have strong feelings all the time. I hear how vibrant and full of beauty the world is to others, but I can't imagine how you concentrate or get anything done with all those feelings. I just kind of don't have any 90% of the tmie. I'm just sort of neutral. Creeping Death Consigliere Best: knowing exactly how to be successful. Worst: not following through with it. Columbo Detecting... what i like most: can figure almost anything out what i like least: can't figure out E/ S people & get overloaded/ ovestimulated by them The Gopher President We are all so adorable together. btw you have been my favorite forum president so far. lucky I can't see anything, anything at all. it drives me mad. Aww thanks! +1 I seem to teeter between P/J depending on${STUFF}.

Same thing. I think. Put me in a room with myself and I'll fight myself to the death for the right to be me.

Do love myself a lot. I'm fucking awesome.
Yeah it shouldn't happen since it should be a total type change Ti Fe Ni instead of Ne Fi Te but it feels like it does which is wrong.

Mxx

Active Member
I love the curiosity and openmindedness associated with INTP traits.
I hover between P/J, so sometimes I get a little annoyed with the lack of follow-through on good ideas.

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Not going to give my type, just a personality trait.

My is a double edged sword so to speak. Both a strength and a weakness. I tend to have a more creative thinking process than a logical or emotional thought process. This is good because it sometimes gives me unique insights into things that other people don't see. Why its bad is that it makes me someone who is pretty difficult to understand at times.

A good thing I like about myself: I can predict songs pretty easily. This is why I have recently started liking classical music - because its a lot more complex so it makes predicting it more difficult. I enjoy novelty and new music is that for me in some regards.

A bad thing I dislike about myself: I am really really really bad with directions. Like its not even funny; its embarrassing how bad I am at knowing where I am.

Serac

A menacing post slithers
I think the INTP mind works mainly in terms of high-level abstractions, which is a double-edged sword. I recently read the book "Peak" by Ericsson and Pool, where they talk about "mental representations" as an important factor in learning and understanding things. These are the structures in your mind on which you map things you perceive. For example, chess grandmasters have high-level abstracted representations of chess positions such that they can quickly see whether a position is strong or weak just by looking at the chessboard as a whole. However, in addition to that, they have detail-level knowledge of exactly which pieces to move and the consequences of the particular moves. It takes a lot of work to develop both, and I think a typical INTP mind is not very interested in the detail-level knowledge. Without that, you can be good at seeing the general concept behind things but never be able to use that to achieve real results. Often, this also leads to a severe over-simplification of things, which entails a certain epistemic hubris.

Turnevies

Active Member
I think the INTP mind works mainly in terms of high-level abstractions, which is a double-edged sword. I recently read the book "Peak" by Ericsson and Pool, where they talk about "mental representations" as an important factor in learning and understanding things. These are the structures in your mind on which you map things you perceive. For example, chess grandmasters have high-level abstracted representations of chess positions such that they can quickly see whether a position is strong or weak just by looking at the chessboard as a whole. However, in addition to that, they have detail-level knowledge of exactly which pieces to move and the consequences of the particular moves. It takes a lot of work to develop both, and I think a typical INTP mind is not very interested in the detail-level knowledge. Without that, you can be good at seeing the general concept behind things but never be able to use that to achieve real results. Often, this also leads to a severe over-simplification of things, which entails a certain epistemic hubris.
You 're a mathematician, right? I'd suspect you need both an intuition for a sense of direction, and on the other hand the detail-level knowledge to step-by-step construct a proof that is airtight?

I think INTP's are well capable of detail-level as well. The high-level thinking can lead to more fascinating thoughts and seems more glorious for sure. In order to learn the detail-level, you can rely less on such a kind of immediate rewards, which is why self-control for practicing is important.

washti

kapo
@Turnevies Can you give egzample of this intp who was good in detail-level knowledge?

Minuend

pat pat
I guess this is kinda off topic, but I think the bigger picture vs detail oriented is kinda interesting. You have people who think detail oriented people are missing out on a better understanding, and people who think bigger picture thinkers are missing out on facts and accuracy and are prone to faulty conclusions. I get the impression the current society tend to be detail oriented where people refer to single studies of single mechanisms to support their actions. Whether it's diet, exercise, trends in society, human behavior etc.

It also kinda reminds me of how people tend to separate feelings and logic. Just like separating the bigger picture from details, separating feelings from "logic" (thought processes attempting to be separate from feelings, poor word usage) creates a poor understanding. If you take pride in being a logical person, you miss out on nuances provided by feelings both in yourself and others. If you pride yourself on being detail oriented, you risk missing out on seeing the bigger picture. And vice versa

In the end we are all just retarded fish swimming in the retard pond of oblivious )~:

Serac

A menacing post slithers
You 're a mathematician, right? I'd suspect you need both an intuition for a sense of direction, and on the other hand the detail-level knowledge to step-by-step construct a proof that is airtight?

I think INTP's are well capable of detail-level as well. The high-level thinking can lead to more fascinating thoughts and seems more glorious for sure. In order to learn the detail-level, you can rely less on such a kind of immediate rewards, which is why self-control for practicing is important.
Right. Seeing the big picture is no doubt a huge asset. As you say, certain fields require both. And I do think INTPs, perhaps more than any type, are capable of becoming masters of the techincals. It takes discipline, however, to not fall into the trap of thinking that one has understood or mastered something because one understands the general concept.

We have people like Poincare, an intellectual beast and perhaps the greatest INTP of all times, who was both brilliant in terms of big-picture thinking and a master of the technicals. Von Neumann is probably another example.

Jennywocky

guud languager
I have the same experience with big-picture thinking, I am much faster at acquiring a holistic understanding of something... I can sense the coherence in the idea (or the incoherence, which to me is a sign that it's off).

I have trouble investing in long-term experience to pick up the details, however; sure, when I get into the weeds, sometimes this invigorates my focus on them and I can start investing heavily, but it's something I don't particularly seek out EXCEPT as a necessity in trying to find ways to support/reach a particular intuitive vision that I already possess.

I just have had enough experience that I accept sometimes the vision can be coherent but my understanding of it and the inner workings is not necessarily correct. I like how Serac refers to "mastery" -- I might PERCEIVE the big picture but it doesn't mean I have mastered it or the details, even if I can still operate fairly successfully until the outcome hinges primarily on that detailed understanding. (I run across this in writing code, as one example.) It's easy to veer off-track when you don't really understand the details supporting a more global understanding.

But damn, it's always been a big issue. It's like when my piano teacher (back when I took lessons through high school) told my parents that I was a great musician, and my biggest weakness was simply that I didn't practice, and of course practicing also involves garnering experience in various implementations of musical theory (i.e, the vast body of musical composition that is always out there, and sifting through specific experiences). It's the technique + experience + details that let you branch off and really accomplish what your vision suggests is possible.

Minuend

pat pat
I have the same experience with big-picture thinking, I am much faster at acquiring a holistic understanding of something... I can sense the coherence in the idea (or the incoherence, which to me is a sign that it's off).

I have trouble investing in long-term experience to pick up the details, however; sure, when I get into the weeds, sometimes this invigorates my focus on them and I can start investing heavily, but it's something I don't particularly seek out EXCEPT as a necessity in trying to find ways to support/reach a particular intuitive vision that I already possess.

I just have had enough experience that I accept sometimes the vision can be coherent but my understanding of it and the inner workings is not necessarily correct. I like how Serac refers to "mastery" -- I might PERCEIVE the big picture but it doesn't mean I have mastered it or the details, even if I can still operate fairly successfully until the outcome hinges primarily on that detailed understanding. (I run across this in writing code, as one example.) It's easy to veer off-track when you don't really understand the details supporting a more global understanding.

But damn, it's always been a big issue. It's like when my piano teacher (back when I took lessons through high school) told my parents that I was a great musician, and my biggest weakness was simply that I didn't practice, and of course practicing also involves garnering experience in various implementations of musical theory (i.e, the vast body of musical composition that is always out there, and sifting through specific experiences). It's the technique + experience + details that let you branch off and really accomplish what your vision suggests is possible.
I guess this is an open question to anybody, but why don't you engage in "details"?

Personally it drains my poor working memory and it's a draining thinking process for me. I also easily lose interest if I think I've understood something in "general". Details is boring and it requires me to invest my brain in remembering details which I'm poor at.

I don't dislike details or their function, I just don't find it interesting, I prefer doing something else

Jennywocky

guud languager
I guess this is an open question to anybody, but why don't you engage in "details"?

Personally it drains my poor working memory and it's a draining thinking process for me. I also easily lose interest if I think I've understood something in "general". Details is boring and it requires me to invest my brain in remembering details which I'm poor at.

I don't dislike details or their function, I just don't find it interesting, I prefer doing something else
Pretty much that. It bores me.

I'm not really talking about reading things, because I like reading, but it's got to be in service to the whole rather than for its own sake, and I tend to remember the big points of what I read rather than all the detail unless the details are particularly vivid.

I have discovered the best way for me to learn the intricacies of something is to distract myself by working on a "project" or have some goal in mind I want to accomplish... that forces me to learn a particular amount of detail to accomplish the goal. Eventually if i work on enough projects, I accumulate the detail.

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
I have another double edged sword thing that kinda goes along with the first one I listed. I tend to be depth before breadth to unhealthy levels. So I am looking deeply into things that sometimes are not there, which, really really really confuses people most the time. Sometimes I am right tho and those moments are total "fuck yeah" moments.

Niclmaki

Disturber of the Peace
ENTP

Most: being able to pick up any kind of skill to AT LEAST competence rather quickly.

Least: in the same vein, a super dislike of specializing / locking into a choice (could accomplish much more otherwise)

Amusing: being amazed when things go as planned - especially if I planned them. Checklists still seem like blackmagic to me in how they focus me to actually get things done

Procinogen

INTP here.

Most Favourite- I can easily learn new concepts and see it as a set of defined rules, such as in math, a new programming language, ect.
Least Favourite- Eternal boredom. I move on to the next interesting thing, form a short-term obsession, then move on and get bored again, thus repeating the cycle.

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
I am a bit to contemplative for my own good. I think about what I should do or I simply romanticize a sequence of events that pretty much never happens. I am too stuck in my head to make productive behavioral changes.

Nymus Anon

AnoNymus
Most-I can be carefree by ignoring everything.

Least-Inabilty to really get anything done.