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Yes, i think he's one.
Even if he's right, the way he always says oh your missing the whole point, let me explain you how existence works at every level. Not following, listen to me i'm enlightened, this that those, i'm right can't you see? that's all a very obvious Ni dom stuff. The other guy is using his dom Fe (everybody's view is valid) to calm down his Ni+Ti drive a bit. Sam's Fe on the other hand is aux, he's just caring about manteining a cool ambience to achieve his brainwashing goal but that doesn't mean it is inferior, it doesn't look childish to me. Also see how he proves wrong the inferior Ti arguments the other guy does, like at 18.50 +/-, he says, wait no, that's not the same, because blabalbabla. I don't know, now i think about the other guy who was also a astronomy/religious preacher i can't remember his name now, i think he was an intp and you do notice some clear differences in the disposition they both have in debates.
Also according to celebrity types yes he is one.
http://www.celebritytypes.com/infj.php

Plus as my professor of VI says he's got the looks of a introverted perceiver not the eyes of a Ji.

See, this was the guy i was talking about:

Ji

[BIMG]http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00449/136129510_dawkins_449347b.jpg[/BIMG]

Pi

[BIMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/1/4/1357319042661/Sam-Harris-008.jpg[/BIMG]

Side note to the investigation: Pi eyes could be the side effects of his long term experments/abuse of a wide range of psychotropic substances.
Source: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/drugs-and-the-meaning-of-life
 

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you guys are fucking retarded

#courtesy of clarity
 

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no wait nevermind ya let's type Sam Harris. He's human, he's male, his personality however is the crux of the inquiry.

What is, Sam Harris? Please, I need to know.
 

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Seriously folks? If he was an INFJ he'd be interacting with people with his first extroverted function - Fe. Do you actually see any Fe in that guy? He's one the most deadpan and serious people I've seen. I've watched a lot of the atheist debate videos with him and others, have you ever seen him laugh? I've never, in roundtables where Hitchens and others are laughing at some joke, he's completely straight. In this video see how well he handles himself against accusations, he's completely cool and stays with the intellectual argument.

Now I don't think you're completely off base, but are close. If I had to pick I'd put him as a INTJ. He has the deadpan no humor seriousness, plus unlike the other athiests (except Dawkins) he has the Te world-system building ideas he would like us all to follow (Imagine A World Without Religion ideas)
 

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Yes INTJ could work too, is the same personal debate i have for marilyn manson lol, i think INFJ is more likely (for harris).
 

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Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want to have their illusions destroyed.

What then is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms -- in short, a sum of human relations, which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins.
We still do not know where the urge for truth comes from; for as yet we have heard only of the obligation imposed by society that it should exist: to be truthful means using the customary metaphors - in moral terms, the obligation to lie according to fixed convention, to lie herd-like in a style obligatory for all...

INTP forum, let's disregard honesty and superceding paradigms for the safety of our sensitive limbic system. Hereafter all posts that may harm cherry cola's sense of self will be immediately deleted.
 

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Yeah lots of Fe. I don't see him deadpanning. He's just being serious. INFJs can do that no problem.

I've watched debates with him as well. I think he's really good at controlling how he comes off to the audience, he usually seems like the most reasonable guy and he always seems to try and make himself relatable, same with the articles of his I've read. Sure he uses Fe in a subtle way, but he's using it alright.
 

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He seems pretty INTJ to me, with the caveat that the change he wants to see in the world is based on something that looks a lot like Ti. This sort of illustrates my difficulties with the distinction between Ti and Te, as plenty of people are both motivated by the intrinsic and extrinsic value of knowledge and understanding.

The reasoning for INFJ seems legit, but Te seems present, and I can't imagine him having a feeling function above his monstrous T. He is IMO one of the most logically consistent public figures going round, and there's little evidence of him valuing emotions above rationale in any way.

When he does these talks, it's almost as if he's bored. He's already figured out all his positions, he's thought about it more. He knows there's very little chance of either person changing the other's mind, and seems like he's only there to get his message out to viewers.

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He does do a good job of that, and it's to his credit, but I don't see his relatability as comparable to his precision. He's just as scathing as Dawkins or Hitchens, but tempered by the need for composure. He's a professional Devil's advocate and his interactions seem merely instrumental to the goal of spreading his views (or debunking the views of others).
 

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He does do a good job of that, and it's to his credit, but I don't see his relatability as comparable to his precision. He's just as scathing as Dawkins or Hitchens, but tempered by the need for composure. He's a professional Devil's advocate and his interactions seem merely instrumental to the goal of spreading his views (or debunking the views of others).

Agreed, but I don't think that INFJs need to be less pushy than INTJs. Certainly they are, generally speaking, but I think the capacity is there. Plus let's not forget he also advocates compassion and his own version of spiritualism, there's that feely stuff there. Still I can see why people would see him as an INTJ and I realize I need to find better arguments if I want to be convincing :P
 

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That host is extremely annoying/disruptive.
 

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FIrst and foremost he is an idiot. Secondly I think hes just a second rate debater just like Hitchens. I dont even see anything serious here mentioned about what type he is. People should learn that guessing isnt really much of typing. If you just guess then you might as well forget it. Its pointless to guess. Even people with no idea what MBTI functions mean can guess and will probably be as much right as you.
 

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I dont even see anything serious here mentioned about what type he is. People should learn that guessing isnt really much of typing. If you just guess then you might as well forget it. Its pointless to guess. Even people with no idea what MBTI functions mean can guess and will probably be as much right as you.


blablabla say something
edit: i agree with that he's half an idiot tho.
 

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This is him defending himself against the some of the smartest people in the world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpXURisuli4

So often when he speaks, it is from a position of empathy with those with whom he disagrees, allowing him to pinpoint both emotionally and rationally how what they are saying is unnecessary and groundless. It is from this trend that we can extract an NiFe combination that allows for the deep penetration of the soul involved in Ni and the emotional sympathy involved in Fe. He is able to connect the dots using Ti, but that is not his focus. Within his books, he likes to describe the phenomena he is exploring with an infinitesimal amount of complexity and insight (Ni), showing how they relate to the general human condition (Fe). He really gets off on how direct insight can radically alter the condition of the soul and our human relations without the trammeling of a system of thought or dogma.
 

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Jack Norris sees him, when he looks into a mirror.


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edit: btw this is not joy this is anger
 

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Hitchens is objectively not a second rate debater lol, rather he's top tier debater material, I think you confuse your own opinion of Hitchens and Harris with their skills at debating.

Harris is hardly an idiot either. Why do you think he is? And btw who's guessing type here? Which are the people who need to learn?

Btw Architect he does smile (and almost laughs) in the beginning of that clip TBerg posted :P I think his speech reeks of Fe morality as well. He wants to moralize the world. And his tone of voice is constantly saying "look were all in this together folks let's be reasonable here, chill out I'm not out to get you it's just that it's this way you see...", it's very different from Te+Fi.
 

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Even I have not been so dismissive of Hamza Tzortzis or William Laine Craig, even though they have rubbed me the wrong way for their insistence that atheism is essentially nihilist in its foundation.
 

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Haha a bit into that video he even says "You're a nice guy, I'm a nice guy, we can talk about this", he's totally using Fe. Before that he analyzes the whole situation in terms of the emotions he's sensing in the room. Sure he's pushing his views and all, but he's using a lot of lubricant while doing it.
 

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come on, look at how he reasons (Te) and clearly recalls things within his mind (Si). takes a lot of wishful thinking not to raise that ESTJ stamp with the pride of pretty unanimous conviction representing the due outcome of a virtuously unbiased and impartial examination conducted according to all relevant protocol. such is our pleasure. is it a guillotine or a dubbing for him though?
 

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I bet he was pissing his pants down after drinkin that whole glass of water (0.5-0.75 l?). Inferior Ni in case they weren't open to pause the interview.
 

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Do you know who the guy that speaks briefly near the end is? The one who says that as far as he can see science has done nothing interesting for morals, politics, ethics or anything else but in fact the contrary. What the fuck is he doing there? He even gets some applauds. The sheer stupidity of that claim betrays a mind which really doesn't understand how the world works at all.

Morals, politics, ethics and many other things, function a lot better when they are designed so as to function in accordance with how humans (and the rest of the world too) actually function in practice. Science has taught us a lot about humans from a biological viewpoint, from an anthropological one, from an historical one, geological one, neuroscientific one etc etc etc - the list is very long. The impact of science is immeasurable. Why did they invent that idiot? Stupidity of the sort for which he is guilty causes immense suffering all over the fucking world.

Without a scientific basis all you have are lofty baseless ideals. People like him are disgusting.
 

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Scott Atran, a student of those who go on to commit suicide attacks. He literally says that the most important variable in predicting suicide attacks is participation in soccer/football.
 

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WTF He is an anthropologist.. anthropology uses scientific methods how does he what I dont even..
 

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FIrst and foremost he is an idiot. Secondly I think hes just a second rate debater just like Hitchens. I dont even see anything serious here mentioned about what type he is. People should learn that guessing isnt really much of typing. If you just guess then you might as well forget it. Its pointless to guess. Even people with no idea what MBTI functions mean can guess and will probably be as much right as you.

All typing is guessing. Some might argue the guessing educated, others might not. If you think that your typings aren't guesses then you're a bigger fool than your voiced opinions imply.

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That guy was last wording something severe. He flew a whole bunch of claims under the radar about the limitations of science in ethics by not allowing his opinions to be unpacked, and then went on to state the damn obvious: it's hard to change minds. That he concludes from this difficulty that it's impossible or not worth doing is... irredeemable. Why he bothers stating shit when he doesn't think people can have their mind changed is also unclear.

10/10 - would shit down throat post-chimichanga
 

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I guess INTP.

I mean, c'mon, he's a subjective thinker. An introverted thinker.

No objective feeler (at least in dominance). No subjective feelingser&&@*!9

Fi and Ti are fraternal twins damnit.

Anyways, Ti all the way.
 

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I guess INTP.

I mean, c'mon, he's a subjective thinker. An introverted thinker.

No objective feeler (at least in dominance). No subjective feelingser&&@*!9

Fi and Ti are fraternal twins damnit.

Anyways, Ti all the way.

I agree. Only INTP could be souch an idiot. No sarcasm. :)

The guy is saying basically things that dont add up. I doupt he even has a concept of reality available to his brain.
 

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I agree. Only INTP could be souch an idiot. No sarcasm. :)

The guy is saying basically things that dont add up. I doupt he even has a concept of reality available to his brain.

Why don't you debate his points, then, if you are so certain of their error?
 

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The guys obviously INTJ. He knows what hes doing even if no one else does. The whole INTP thing is way too premature. The guy has way too much of a focus to be that air headed guy with his head in the clouds.
 

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Why is he Te? I think INFJ is pretty obvious if you look at the video Tberg linked. Plenty of Fe.

Zenraiden disqualiefied from discussion for believing INTP which is out of the question, and for being biased.
 

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Why is he Te? I think INFJ is pretty obvious if you look at the video Tberg linked. Plenty of Fe.

Zenraiden disqualiefied from discussion for believing INTP which is out of the question, and for being biased.

He is Te and not Fe because he is just too good at laying down the law. He learned somewhere down the line that it is better to address issues directly instead of maneuver around them for peace's sake.
 

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INTJ, similar mannerisms as Peter Thiel who is a INTJ as well. I agree with QuickTwist he projects Te instead of Fe.
 

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His focus is specific and he is trying to accomplish a specific thing. He is taking one idea and going as far as he can with it.
 

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He is Te and not Fe because he is just too good at laying down the law. He learned somewhere down the line that it is better to address issues directly instead of maneuver around them for peace's sake.

Except he does plenty of maneuvering while laying it down.
 

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Except he does plenty of maneuvering while laying it down.

Like any good strategist would do. The thing is, he is more forceful than diplomatic.
 

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Why would an INFJ not be forceful again?

Another thing is Sam Harris morals, they are always universally applicable, and internally consistent. The moral landscape is the work of an INFJ not an INTJ. INTJ do tend not to be as directly concerned with ethics, for Harris they hold a position of primacy. That book is all about tying science to morality. It's Ti to Fe not Te to Fi.

Add to that his penchant for spirituality.
 

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It doesn't matter Cherry. He is not an INFJ, because he is doing things for his own value system, not for the greater good. That's about all I have to say about it. He is Fi because he shares things from an individualistic's perspective, not Ti where he values the logic behind what he is doing. He is too passionate to be motivated by Ti alone and has dedicated too much time to orchestrating his purpose so that is Te all over. Clearly we agree on Ni and that he is primarily concerned with a specific idea. How do you think he was able to initiate a debate with some very brilliant minds to get his idea discussed?
 

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QT: Just because he has a certain moral perspective does not mean that it is individualistic. He is clearly concerned about the whole of humanity, showing how certain people get along better than other people and showing us what we share in common (concern about the wellbeing of each other). Te implies that there are certain formulaic responses to our wellbeing, but he makes it clear that he is against parochial dogma. In fact, he inveighs against dogma is everything he says. Te is the dynamic of applying dogma to our world: the business executive applying business principles, the pries elucidating in great detail the theology of the church.
 

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It doesn't matter Cherry. He is not an INFJ, because he is doing things for his own value system, not for the greater good. That's about all I have to say about it. He is Fi because he shares things from an individualistic's perspective, not Ti where he values the logic behind what he is doing. He is too passionate to be motivated by Ti alone and has dedicated too much time to orchestrating his purpose so that is Te all over. Clearly we agree on Ni and that he is primarily concerned with a specific idea. How do you think he was able to initiate a debate with some very brilliant minds to get his idea discussed?

Bolded part is simply not true, the guy is all about the greater good and his moral system is accessible and universally applicable. That's what the moral landscape is all about. He wants to get rid of lofty subjective morals á Fi and doesn't hold them in high regard at all.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moral_Landscape

To Harris, moral propositions, and explicit values in general, are concerned with the flourishing of conscious creatures in a society.[7] He argues that "Social morality exists to sustain cooperative social relationships, and morality can be objectively evaluated by that standard."[8] Harris sees some philosophers' talk of strictly private morality as akin to unproductive discussion of some private, personal physics
 
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