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sumO1

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What does it take to make a change? and how does one decide that it is neccessary to do so. I have taken this test that determines my personality type. From it, it has concluded that I am an introvert, I am intuitive, I am a thinker and a perceiver. All the opposites of an extrovert, senser, feeler, and judger. right? ok.

So now, I have treated these results as if I have been diagnosed with cancer. Looking at the non validated statistics we make up the lesser portion of the population. One, or myself thought, o wow! :eek: I am an outliyer, I am different, I am unique. That thought was for a moment, and a very quick moment at that. Although it is true, is it really a blessing to be apart of the category that really does not 'fit' into this society. And do I really want to?

I believe it is possible for people to be able to learn what they are not. That is what adaptation is. I may be an introverted intuitive thinking perceiver, but I want to be an extrovert, I need to learn how to sense and feel. For the sake of the people that I really care about.

By just reading the many descriptions of an INTP, it matches me almost 100 % and I cant help but chuckle at myself when I read statements like "They tend to be difficult to get to know well, and hold back parts of themselves until the other person has proven themselves "worthy" of hearing the INTP's thoughts" or "
Not naturally good at expressing their own feelings and emotions" and even "Tends to be suspicious and distrusting of others ". I once thought that I was actually mentally better than other humans. When i explained myself and someone was not understanding me, they were just proving my point of how most humans are just mentally inept of running this world. I know I sound like a misanthrope, and once upon a time, I was. Deep down inside, i am actually a humanitarian. I have such high hopes for our kind. To me, the human brain is SO complex and extremely powerful, it is not cliche to say 'we can be whatever we want to be'. But I have allowed my frustrations of how my logic is not being applied to what I see fit take a hold of me, that I started to resent people not like myself.

That was then though. This is me now. I do see it possible for one to live outside the comfort zone comfortably. To naturally be what they naturally are not. My brain goes over that constantly. Then the questions come about. What if you do this and it doesnt work? What if you are not doing it the right way? You are trying to make this happen but it still is not working the way you pictured it to, people are still misunderstanding you, people are still being offended by you and you didnt mean it at all. There goes that INTP again! They dont know where you are coming from. I almost want to quit. And sometimes I do, for like an hour. Then I go back to it again, and kick myself for ever quitting in the first place. But why? I feel as if in order to be what I think I want to be, I have to delete what I am and build from there. I feel that way becuase it is much easier to gesso the canvass and paint again. This is from the viewpoint that the painting, which was once intended to be a triptych painting of the moon, stars, and the sun....ended up looking like who, the what and where.

I say all this to know, what are others of the like doing to work this magic given to us as the 'I.N.T.P'? :D
 

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Hm, interesting thoughts.
I am often cognitively angry at how i behave (especially about the lazy part). I'd much rather had some discipline. And sometimes i am motivaated enough to try it, but most of the time i don't seem to be in that self-criticising mood. Actually, for the moment it works just fine. And that is a problem, i think. I discovered, that i don't try to change things, when i don't get to feel the consequences directly. And if it is something only concerning myself, i have paradoxically an even harder time to get something done. If somebody else expect me to do something ii normally more or less get it done. If i myself have to be that 'wathperson', the one controlling the progress, i rarely get to start doing it until short before the deadline (if only myself has to set the deadline, well, that is even worse^^).

In general i like who i am and don't want to be different. And i actually don't want to be less lazy, what i really wanted is, that i get along despite my lazyness. But i fear that in the long run that is no good advice :p

Ogion
 

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Surprised it took you a personality test to realize that you don't fit in. I've known all my life.

Anyway, it's kind of annoying being an INTP because I know exactly what I need to do to fit in, be liked, and be successful, but my lack of proactivity and my self doubt make me back away from all of that. I know for a fact that it's all at my fingertips. My life is pretty good, but I'm doing hardly anything to take advantage of it. Sometimes it's best for me to be something I'm not until I get comfortable.
 

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actually, i knew it before i took the test, the test just gave me a more detailed reason as to why. I have NEVER fit in, the only people that understand me somewhat is others somewhat like myself and ofcourse they are studying psychology, philosophy, you know, something of the social sciences. and they SOMEWHAT get me. but yeah, i love the way i am too. its only when it comes to a career that it bothers me. thats it. i think what i realized today is that i have to accept myself like this and now figure out how to work with it. its a challenge. but that is something i need anyway. but i understand where you are coming from. I am somehwat proactive. not as much as i could/should be though.
 

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yeah, i totally do that too. If i know someone else is looking forward to me doing something for them, i do my best, im on time, everything close to perfection. but when it comes to myself. pfft! i take my sweet little precious time. i actually thought about joining the military to learn some discipline. its like i need pressure in order to function 'appropriately'. and i dont neccessarily want to be different. I want to be able to be myself but know how to play the role of someone else when see fit. I learned that we all play 'roles' in a sense we are all kinda actors. atleast, to get the most out of life. I see it as being fake though. but i am not sure about that anymore. adapting. temporarily of course. eesh. life. gotta love it.
 

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Surprised it took you a personality test to realize that you don't fit in. I've known all my life.

Anyway, it's kind of annoying being an INTP because I know exactly what I need to do to fit in, be liked, and be successful, but my lack of proactivity and my self doubt make me back away from all of that. I know for a fact that it's all at my fingertips. My life is pretty good, but I'm doing hardly anything to take advantage of it. Sometimes it's best for me to be something I'm not until I get comfortable.


when it comes to myself, i don't think i could have said it better myself.
 

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My parents breathe fire at me because they know that I know it. And don't do it.
 

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Surprised it took you a personality test to realize that you don't fit in. I've known all my life.

Anyway, it's kind of annoying being an INTP because I know exactly what I need to do to fit in, be liked, and be successful, but my lack of proactivity and my self doubt make me back away from all of that. I know for a fact that it's all at my fingertips. My life is pretty good, but I'm doing hardly anything to take advantage of it. Sometimes it's best for me to be something I'm not until I get comfortable.


I can relate to this 100%
 

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Yup. I'm still trying to break that barrier. By thinking to myself 'yes' in social situations instead of 'no I shouldn't say that.' Say it!! who cares its time to be fearless and just do it. Mind you this only works for so long before I slip back into my shell! haha. But I'll keep trying, I'll get there when I grow some balls. Or is it that we should just relax slow down our thoughts and get some composure, I find that works but I keep forgetting to do it. My mind runs off before I can grab it... bugger!
 

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I don't want to 'fit in', all that would mean nowadays is wasting time that could be spent on things that are actually interesting. I make friends with people who can have interesting conversations, but forcing myself to turn E isn't worth it. The only problem I have is with laziness, and I'm sure we all have that problem.
 

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Oh, it's definitely one of our worst, if it doesn't take top. On the other hand, there is definitely hope. This is where the ESTJ girlfriend comes in... lol

While dating my not-so-latest exgirlfriend, I actually finished a project that I was working on- withOUT a deadline! I was so excited! ... and then I haven't finished another ever sense. hahaha
 

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I'm very glad to be who I am. I wouldn't change it for the world. I enjoy that I value intelligence, and truth, over happiness and bliss, I'm happy that to me the greatest question of the world isn't "Why," but "How," I'm glad that I can sit back, watch how something is done, and understand it, and quite possibly, best of all, I'm happy that I'm not popular, although not unpopular. I'm right where I would choose to be -- That person who is popular enough to be liked, but unpopular enough not to fall in to the stupid ignorant actions that are, through peer-pressure, forced onto *most* of the "popular" kids.

Edit: Although... I AM extremely lazy, too... That would be nicer changed, I suppose... ^.^
 

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Ah...I can kind of relate to what you are saying.

Ok...I can a lot relate.

My parents even complained about not really knowing me.

My Dad was I think something of an INFP. He could get the weirdness and introversion. But even though he was a scientist...he was often put off by my need to analyze and carry on endlessly on a matter...especially when I leave it flat in 12 days or minutes...after having decided that it is figured out.
My Mom still does not get I do not want to...talk. I don't want to "work together". I am not wanting to know who said what.
She used to send me on errands and would always ask me about the involved parties "What did they say?"
Shit if I know...I just gave them the paper, bought the milk, delivered the instructions...whatever. I didn't actually interact.
Mom is I am guessing an ESFJ...maybe strong P too...but primarily J...needs to be thought correct.

Keeps showing an interest in that round thing on the wall with all the numbers and tiny rods that move around the structure and seem to point at the numbers...then gives them some relevance as to what she should be doing and where she should be.
She also seems to enjoy that book like thing with all those squares?
She mysteriously writes the words "Dentist" and "Doctor 2 PM" on certain squares.
Freaks me out.

But yeah...I just wrote all that to avoid a possible "feeling" issue.

A sore spot or two at my own frustrations in not fitting in.

Add to it I am very heavily tattooed and people seem to not get me, and often even fear me.
I say good...most times.

But my ENFP...um...lover...companion...erm...he's a man?
He complained last night that I do not always seem too interested in him.
I of course wrote a long analysis for him showing this is not at all true.

But I will admit...I wanted to cry.

Not that I would!

But I indeed felt like I really wasn't measuring up...my mental processes are making my caring processes grind to a halt.

That said...there is something to not being a sheep. There is value in being able to think for oneself, find out the answers needed and make a few good choices in the process.
 

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Hmm...yeah...I admit to a certain fascination with my 8 year old child's writing and thoughts...but she is a definite E and doesn't mind. I already know my youngest whom I am guessing is an INTP will share if she is feeling like it...otherwise...no pressure from me.

I'm sure my Mom would love to know what I write...and use it against me one day in some splattering emotional gushing moment of Mommy Angst.
Oh...she did that yesterday.
 

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I think my mother would pay to know some things Ive said here :phear:.

I feel the same. Though I wonder if knowing more about me would leave them more accepting, or more interested in trying to change me? Not that they're trying to change me at the moment -- But they're not exactly accepting, either. I'm not the closest with my family, never really have been (I'm the "a few close friends" type, and none of my family counts, unfortunately)... I play the nice son part, however, as wearing the mask of another type is a skill I've mastered all too well. It leaves many thinking I'm more feeling than thinking, but I wouldn't be quick to throw myself into that group. I may act nice, out of habit, but don't care about anyone. I could see a man ran over by a bus, or shot down, right in front of me, and could continue on with my day. I say this neglecting the "the silence of good men is evil," thought, because sure, I might report something if I know anything -- But the actual death of a human wouldn't affect me... Especially one I've never met. The worst case scenario considered, I might take an extra five minutes out of my day to evaluate my own mortality.
 

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I feel the same. Though I wonder if knowing more about me would leave them more accepting, or more interested in trying to change me? Not that they're trying to change me at the moment -- But they're not exactly accepting, either. I'm not the closest with my family, never really have been (I'm the "a few close friends" type, and none of my family counts, unfortunately)... I play the nice son part, however, as wearing the mask of another type is a skill I've mastered all too well. It leaves many thinking I'm more feeling than thinking, but I wouldn't be quick to throw myself into that group. I may act nice, out of habit, but don't care about anyone. I could see a man ran over by a bus, or shot down, right in front of me, and could continue on with my day. I say this neglecting the "the silence of good men is evil," thought, because sure, I might report something if I know anything -- But the actual death of a human wouldn't affect me... Especially one I've never met. The worst case scenario considered, I might take an extra five minutes out of my day to evaluate my own mortality.

interesting digression. i certainly agree with the first part. i don't have any grudge against my own family, but i just don't really have anything in common with them. my mom is ISFJ, is constantly asking me what i'm doing and how things are going and i just really can't stand that kind of conversation, and my dad is INTJ, and we've both just always respected each others space. my mom takes it personaly if i don't talk to her all the time or visit her and my dad doesn't really care and neither do i so that just ends up working out for both of us. and i really don't care much about any of my extended family. i have maybe 2 cousins that i even care to talk to, the rest i have absolutely no common ground and i see them maybe once or twice a year.
 

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haha ouch. I'm the same way. My parents would totally pay to know certain things about me.. but instead I gave it to them for free. I recently wrote a short (read 6-pages, about 3k words) essay of self-reflection because they were always bothering me about not knowing who I am. Of course, I apologized for the length, but also reiterated my need to analyze. I haven't gotten their responses yet... it's only been 2 hours :P
 

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It amazes me that you actually managed to start writing all of that.
 

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I recently wrote a short (read 6-pages, about 3k words) essay of self-reflection because they were always bothering me about not knowing who I am.

Brilliant. Any response yet?
 

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It amazes me that you actually managed to start writing all of that.

ROFL

I was thinking the same thing.

Bah, I have a speech about stem cell research I need to write for tomorrow. Lazy, procrastinating, no motivation INTP bitch I am!
 
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