Tell me something

[Ezro]

I've been absent from this place for quite some time, and this has probably been asked before, but I need someone to explain this: why is it wrong for me to kill? None of it has ever made sense to me. Ever. Recently the only thing that has prevented me from killing random people is knowing that i wont be able to enjoy my favorite activities anymore, but honestly, once i'm dead(which is surely to follow a murderous spree) none of it matters anymore. I wont care. I won't miss anything, nor will i care what people have to say or how they feel.I just can't anymore, but I trust the words of this forum above all else, so I'll base my decision on what i learn from you all.


**Note- this isnt some crybaby "save me from myself" cry for help, I honestly want answers. I apologize for the punctuation errors you've been forced to endure.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Well murder is an awful waste of resources.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

This is a very poor situation you are in.
If you are unable to answer the important questions by yourself then why would you choose to listen to someone else?

Why would you decide to kill random people in the first place?

So your logic is, that you are going to die anyway and because of this what you do now doesn't matter? If then this doesn't matter then you don't care to lose anything and so you can kill people and you can die afterwards, as this is unimportant?

Then why do you want to kill if nothing in the end would prevent your death or give value to your deeds? There is no point in killing if there is no point in doing anything for you.

In your case doing anything seems to be a waste.

 

[Void]

why would you kill people?

 

[Ezro]

Curiosity. I've always wanted to stare in someones face and watch them die. Unfortunately, I've also had a bloodlust about me. I see groups of people (the back of people's heads really set me off for some reason) and I just want to end them. I want to know that power, to turn a sentient organic machine into a useless pile of meat. I cant explain it. I've always had this "other me" inside but as i get older i find it harder and harder to deny him. Up until now I've been able to use my best friend turned wife, as a kind of emotional/moral leash, but i can feel the leash breaking. I just dont know why i'm fighting myself anymore

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

What curiosity is there. You know the process, you seem to know the pile of meat ending and all the glory of it.

There seems nothing to be learned and there are countless information of what happens and scientifically described too.

Isn't it something other than curiosity?
Don't you have anything you want to do?

 

[The Void]

why would you kill people?

Why not?

 

[The Void]

Well murder is an awful waste of resources.

Yes human is a great resource.
It is better to manipulate them and make them slaves to do my work. Giving them the illusion of freedom gives even better result. Muhahahah.

 

[Ezro]

Yes I know the process, but i want to see it first hand. I want to kill and keep killing, rather than grow old and simply wither away. Its all that i want left from life, i have achieved everything else remotely important to me

 

[Cognisant]

Buy guns, get training, fly to the third world and become a mercenary.

 

[Ezro]

I thought about that, the military provided me with some decent target practice, as well as funds to do so, but I don't know

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Please don't murder anyone.

I don't want to be interrogated, man.

 

[Cognisant]

It's not murder if you're getting paid by the present or to-be authorities.

 

[The Void]

@OP
Ok both right or wrong is subjective.
Conscience and subconscious feelings of right or wrong depends on product of upbringings and evolution
(the human mind evolved in circumstances where working with groups of humans tended to increase rate of survival, so unoncscious mind may release guilt feelings and stuff, whatever).

In the end nothing really matter much. If the earth goes poof after this second, does it matter?

If everything gets messed up tomorrow, then what ? nothing.

everyone is gonna die.

If you torture one, then one will suffer, get hurt, but so what?

So whatever, who cares, man.

PS: Dont take advice from me. I am a botched up sociopath. I have various mental disorders and what is more weird is that I am proud of all the disorders.

 

[redbaron]

Well if you do end up killing people, at least make it something worthwhile. Target the, 'bad' people.

Also don't drop the soap.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Yes I know the process, but i want to see it first hand. I want to kill and keep killing, rather than grow old and simply wither away. Its all that i want left from life, i have achieved everything else remotely important to me

Well if you desire murder. You can get yourself trained and employed and do this legally or become a criminal.

Don't forget that you can also kill yourself and observe the process, alas this is illegal and you cannot find an employer that would let you do this directly.

If you see no purpose other than this I see no value in you, If you want to murder unsuspecting people you are evil by many standards.

I recommend you inform everyone on your intentions and approach them when they have prepared what they have.

Oh yes, targeting generally bad people is by many standards better than targeting others.

Sorry I cannot care much for someone who doesn't care for anything right now.

 

[The Void]

OK I will be a bit more serious now.
I have noticed that after getting calmed down, and attain some sense of balance and peace resolving inssues of insecuruty, rejection and hatred, the urges disappears.
Any urge appears out of mental imbalance or lack of satisfaction.

Bloodlust and urge to kill all this can come out because of hidden or repressed issues.

Also killing can result in some amount of guilt or anything like that.

To live a clear neat balanced peaceful life with a peaceful mind, it is better to abstain from killing.

But it is your choice to live a peaceful life or a chaotic messed up life.

I still have the blood lust, but I am not motivated enough to start killing.
Being co-operative and understanding can be best for all.


It is not really about right or wrong. Just about peace and happiness for all.

but if you really wanna do it then who am I to stop you? Who knows bloodlust can overcome me anytime too

 

[Ezro]

Yeah, I suppose you are all right. Guess I'll just wait till i find some scumbag who needs to die then.

 

[Base groove]

You are weak.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I've been absent from this place for quite some time, and this has probably been asked before, but I need someone to explain this: why is it wrong for me to kill? None of it has ever made sense to me. Ever. Recently the only thing that has prevented me from killing random people is knowing that i wont be able to enjoy my favorite activities anymore, but honestly, once i'm dead(which is surely to follow a murderous spree) none of it matters anymore. I wont care. I won't miss anything, nor will i care what people have to say or how they feel.

It's not wrong, it's just frequently inefficient and may have an unfavorable risk:reward ratio.

I would personally advise placing yourself in circumstances where killing is self-justifiably unnecessary.

I trust the words of this forum above all else, so I'll base my decision on what i learn from you all.

Why?

Curiosity. I've always wanted to stare in someones face and watch them die. Unfortunately, I've also had a bloodlust about me.

Yes I know the process, but i want to see it first hand. I want to kill and keep killing, rather than grow old and simply wither away. Its all that i want left from life, i have achieved everything else remotely important to me

There are other outlets for bloodlust. Hunting being the most socially acceptable; BDSM being the closest to that power grip with actual people (believe it or not, some people enjoy being hurt. Of course they have to live in order to keep hurting them). You can also experiment with your own body. Let that last part marinate for a minute.

You are weak.

I wouldn't go that far. The same is said of those who commit suicide, yet I don't see the accusers having the balls to off themselves.

 

[TimeAsylums]

murder wrong?

It's not wrong, it's just frequently inefficient and may have an unfavorable risk:reward ratio.

The only thing that has prevented me from killing random people is knowing that i wont be able to enjoy my favorite activities anymore

everything ever

often I ponder what keeps the man or woman next to me from slaughtering everyone near us, including myself, or myself from doing the same. It's all risk:reward. Why not kill this room full of people just for no reason at all? Because it would likely end in death/unfavorable restraints on life.

Society and its benefits yo.

social contract/actual laws in place.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

everything ever

often I ponder what keeps the man or woman next to me from slaughtering everyone near us, including myself, or myself from doing the same. It's all risk:reward. Why not kill this room full of people just for no reason at all? Because it would likely end in death/unfavorable restraints on life.

Society and its benefits yo.

social contract/actual laws in place.

Dont forget that there is the case of those that do not ponder at this concept and wouldn't even wager or evaluate their risk/rewards there and then.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Dont forget that there is the case of those that do not ponder at this concept and wouldn't even wager or evaluate their risk/rewards there and then.

Perceptual Control Theory. Individuals can only exercise autonomy/risk:reward decision-making based on what enters their scope of perception. Some boxes are larger than others.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Dont forget that there is the case of those that do not ponder at this concept and wouldn't even wager or evaluate their risk/rewards there and then.

did i say there wasn't?

Me saying I do/others do =/= all do/no one doesn't

tl;dr i operate on open-ended-semi inclusivity, not exclusivity as many do.

Perceptual Control Theory. Individuals can only exercise autonomy based on what enters their scope of perception. Some boxes are larger than others.

the masturbation continues

 

[Latte]

everything ever

often I ponder what keeps the man or woman next to me from slaughtering everyone near us, including myself, or myself from doing the same. It's all risk:reward. Why not kill this room full of people just for no reason at all? Because it would likely end in death/unfavorable restraints on life.

Society and its benefits yo.

social contract/actual laws in place.

Like with motivations for doing this and doing most things, in most scenarios there will be several sources of aversion towards performing this and sources of suppression of this urge inside a single mind that will not be quantified and measured through a prism of risk/reward assessment on its way towards contributing to shaping one's actions to come.

Brains are fluidly semi-modular. Many parts have their say and form synthesis says with others in various forms. This yields soft-limitations on how much a specific aspect or framework in which one views things can be significant at the expense of others.

 

[TimeAsylums]

all the exclusivity

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Perceptual Control Theory. Individuals can only exercise autonomy/risk:reward decision-making based on what enters their scope of perception. Some boxes are larger than others.

Yes, the other thing is you can limit your box when you need to and still avoid exercising risk/reward, despite having it done previously or having it done and left at that result.

Well I didn't imply that you didn't consider/enable that Time Asylums, I just wanted to add this puzzle to the picture if you will.

 

[Latte]

So, uhm. You're like, Dexter, and we get to be the dad that can try to give you a code?

Hmmmmmm.

Sex offender registry may be an easily available place to look for suitable targets whose deprivation of life will likely prevent future misery and thus be regarded as ethical murder, if you care about that.

If you're careful enough in your methodology and you desire alter ego fame, you could become a secret national vigilante superhero serial killer. Beware of CCTV camera dense areas!

Also maybe your best friend wife won't look at you as a monster if things ever go sour.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Also maybe your best friend wife won't look at you as a monster if things ever go sour.

Something to consider if taking this route, learned from the Iceman, is to keep your work and hobbies separate from your love life. Value your time with those close to you, and keep few close to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vn7Hz2PK7s

Otherwise, research. Obsessively. Public autopsy reports and publications are helpful.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

If you were to *break your leash*, you would be free to kill who you want. Why denie yourself? Why bind yourself?

 

[Brontosaurie]

why do we have so many "murder and darkness is cool yeah anime" retards on this forum?

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

If you were to *break your leash*, you would be free to kill who you want. Why denie yourself? Why bind yourself?

QualitySeriousness of posts in this thread suddenly decreased.
Edit: It would be courteous to add tl;dr or I don't care instead of posting this.

Spoiler

Did you know that my lucky number today is 43644229.
And that it is 10100110011111010101000101 binary? Cool huh?

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

Curiosity. I've always wanted to stare in someones face and watch them die. Unfortunately, I've also had a bloodlust about me. I see groups of people (the back of people's heads really set me off for some reason) and I just want to end them. I want to know that power, to turn a sentient organic machine into a useless pile of meat. I cant explain it. I've always had this "other me" inside but as i get older i find it harder and harder to deny him. Up until now I've been able to use my best friend turned wife, as a kind of emotional/moral leash, but i can feel the leash breaking. I just dont know why i'm fighting myself anymore

You are a slave to the 'other me'. You use your wife and now this forum to keep you in check because you recognize you don't have good control of your 'other me' impulses. You think that by killing others you'll gain back your 'power' and be free. That won't happen but only enslave you more firmly. In theory, moral absolutes need not exist and the reward/risk ratio is a relevant argument to consider. This theory disregards the social reality. It's not all about YOUR impulses, YOUR curiosity, YOUR bloodlust because YOUR shit is in direct conflict with wife, neighbor, child etc...Ezro, you recognize the conflict within. This is indicative of awareness. The suggestions for directing your bloodlust can be a stop gap solution.You DO need a leash but a much more firm one (incarceration, hospitalization). Get help NOW.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

Like with motivations for doing this and doing most things, in most scenarios there will be several sources of aversion towards performing this and sources of suppression of this urge inside a single mind that will not be quantified and measured through a prism of risk/reward assessment on its way towards contributing to shaping one's actions to come.

Brains are fluidly semi-modular. Many parts have their say and form synthesis says with others in various forms. This yields soft-limitations on how much a specific aspect or framework in which one views things can be significant at the expense of others.

Excellent observation. This isn't a consensus of one.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

You DO need a leash but a much more firm one (incarceration, hospitalization). Get help NOW.

Incarceration/hospitalization are waiting for him if he does act, correct? So why not exercise action and fulfill that possibility anyway? Even better, one can act and then suicide to avoid the consequences entirely.

An outlet for action (BDSM/Fight Club/Hunting/Body modification) is actually more restrictive; it doesn't force a dichotomous choice. It works in the same way that porn prevents forcible rape. Placebo.

The act of seeking a leash, whether it be wife, forum, therapist, and/or hospitalization, is an exercise of agency.

Like with motivations for doing this and doing most things, in most scenarios there will be several sources of aversion towards performing this and sources of suppression of this urge inside a single mind that will not be quantified and measured through a prism of risk/reward assessment on its way towards contributing to shaping one's actions to come.

Brains are fluidly semi-modular. Many parts have their say and form synthesis says with others in various forms. This yields soft-limitations on how much a specific aspect or framework in which one views things can be significant at the expense of others.

I haven't thought about this quite enough yet (it involves math ), but to me this all coalesces under the umbrella of Perceptual Control Theory in that you're highlighting different aspects of perception that are factored into risk assessment, most of which isn't quantifiable at all, but rooted in emotion...? I don't think it's quite as rooted in fuzzy logic.

 

[Brontosaurie]

what if wrong is right? wow such deep

 

[crippli]

I notice your premise is to pick people out on random. I can't imagine a way to do this, I expect you to get a false reading on your next move when you check the premise.

So as usual do not abandon logic, it should see both you and victims through the crises in good shape.

 

[shoeless]

so, uh, not to be all lame and vanilla over here or anything, but you might want to consider seeking professional help. i mean, i'd like for you to do that, anyway, before you go and murder my brother or something. seriously, that's not cool, man. i'd be pretty pissed off about that.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

Incarceration/hospitalization are waiting for him if he does act, correct? So why not exercise action and fulfill that possibility anyway? Even better, one can act and then suicide to avoid the consequences entirely.

An outlet for action (BDSM/Fight Club/Hunting/Body modification) is actually more restrictive; it doesn't force a dichotomous choice. It works in the same way that porn prevents forcible rape. Placebo.

The act of seeking a leash, whether it be wife, forum, therapist, and/or hospitalization, is an exercise of agency..

I don't disagree but one of my points was that whatever leash one uses, if that leash is losing it's hold, then a stronger leash is needed. Your suggestions, BDSM, Fight Club, hunting, will likely help for a while but that hold isn't a long term solution. Yes, incarceration/hospitalization will likely be the outcome AFTER an action. I'm urging the OP to get help now for his/her sake and potential victims. I'd say that's a big difference.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

lame and vanilla

Ice, ice, baby.

I don't disagree but one of my points was that whatever leash one uses, if that leash is losing it's hold, then a stronger leash is needed. Your suggestions, BDSM, Fight Club, hunting, will likely help for a while but that hold isn't a long term solution. Yes, incarceration/hospitalization will likely be the outcome AFTER an action. I'm urging the OP to get help now for his/her sake and potential victims. I'd say that's a big difference.

I suppose my goal is to ensure that one has the most freedom within their niche using a tiered approach. I mean, a hospital can separate a sociopath from society, but it can also separate someone who's perfectly normal; it's a final solution, the last step, because it is the most certain.

At the same time though, I think whatever drives the OP/the urge to kill is probably ubiquitous. Everyone's got their tipping point. Why? Why are most people more easily occupied/distracted by mere cobwebs, let alone a leash?

(I mean ^this rhetorically, not just asking you an impossible(?) question.)

 

[The Introvert]

I don't know if you're asking whether or not it's objectively wrong to kill someone. If you are, then disregard this post, because I'm not answering that question - I'm sure there are many threads in this grand, endless space that cover that topic.

Rather, it's simply not worth it to kill someone, unless your goal is to lose your own freedom in life (being incarcerated) and/or killed.

Think about it. Barring a miracle, you'll be caught or killed within a relatively short time-fame. You've lived your entire life up until this point (mind you, I don't know how your life has gone or how old you are) just to watch it fizzle out so abruptly? Following in the footsteps of the countless idiots before you that decided it would be better to illogically and selfishly murder other people?

The best thing that could happen to you is that you're dead right after you do it, because you'll feel so guilty. And even then, it's not relief. It's just nothing. You'll be dead. If there's a God, you'll go to Hell. If there's nothing, you'll just be nothing. You won't remember the experience you craved so badly.

Go to a doctor, seriously, if you're serious about this. Get help. You need it, and you can and will feel better.

If you refuse, that, and if it is personally experiencing bloodshed that you lust, then just kill yourself. You'll kill two birds with one stone (literally). You'll experience that brief moment that you've desired for so long, and you rid yourself the negative experience of being afraid for your life afterwards. You'll be dead either way, right?

-Jr.

 

[Duxwing]

I agree with Paradox Paradigm and The Introvert and suggest requesting forcible commitment. The steps to requesting are simple:

1 Find a nearby psychiatric hospital that specializes in violence.
2 Remove everyone and every weapon (firearms, blades, cars) from your house lest you hurt the people who will come for you.
3 Restrain yourself (e.g., hand-cuff yourself to something and hurl the key beyond your reach) lest you change your mind.
4 Call said hospital, read them what you have written, and follow their instructions.
5 Relax. You will find hope and help there.

-Duxwing

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

1 Find a nearby psychiatric hospital that specializes in violence.
2 Remove everyone and every weapon (firearms, blades, cars) from your house lest you hurt the people who will come for you.
3 Restrain yourself (e.g., hand-cuff yourself to something and hurl the key beyond your reach) lest you change your mind.
4 Call said hospital, read them what you have written, and follow their instructions.
5 Relax. You will find hope and help there.

^I wonder what it's like to have free will?

Why not just skip to the lobotomy and get it over with? Tazer him into submission and superglue him to the floor as an involuntary living forniphile. Gotta be better than having a choice, right?

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxd3pZAVHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiOzfyliNzE

 

[Void]

Never use people solely as an end, rather as a means to an end
- Whoever said this.

I think the two best options you have here are:

Best: Get hospitalized.
Second Best: Become a hitman.

All the others are an indication of poor character and poor self control.

You better hope that you don't go insane over your bloodlust if you start killing people. Then all of this was in vain and you were better of dead anyway.

 

[crippli]

As action I see hospitalization is advice. An alternative could be the other end. Rent a cabin in the mountains and isolate yourself. Get away from people. These thoughts you have are quite normal ime. Lots, if not most have them from time to time. Some act on them, most don't. Others will, regardless what you do. And as usual, it takes a short amount of time, before these are distant memories, barely more then dreams. Seems to me you will have to do a lot of stuff, to achieve next to nothing.

I have a friend that install heat pumps in peoples homes. He says that he feels sorry for these people living their A4 life. And what he wants to do is take a nail and hammer it into their brain, to end their suffering. There are a few things he doesn't realize when he get these thoughts. I generally can't be bothered with stuff like that. I tell him the same thing. It is of no consequence if he goes through with it or not. So why even bother with the thoughts?

I'd be surprised if not a mountain trip alone with good fishing and freeesh air would bring your mind onto more interesting matters. Do extreme sports if death is tempting. With time you will make friends, and many of these friends will die close by(or yourself if you are dumb). It can be quite sobering watching death work through passion of life. If intensity of death is what you like to experience, imo you are quite far from seeking the best approach.

 

[Kuu]

Rather, it's simply not worth it to kill someone, unless your goal is to lose your own freedom in life (being incarcerated) and/or killed.

Think about it. Barring a miracle, you'll be caught or killed within a relatively short time-fame.

Seems several people think this, but I'd like to topple their certainty. Perhaps they watch too much CSI. A huge amount of crimes are in fact never solved. Hell, where I live, just the other day I saw a statistic (that I am not inclined to doubt for a variety of reasons) claiming 95% of crimes were uninvestigated. The percentage of crimes actually investigated and someone punished is pathetically minuscule. This of course varies wildly by location, but it sure isn't a certainty you'll be caught in a short time-frame, if at all.

 

[Hawkeye]

The experience is similar to watching someone "system crash" during a fit for example. The only difference is that they are no longer breathing and won't recover; however, for all intents and purposes these are irrelevant.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

@OP: Another option I just thought of: Become a surgeon.

The experience is similar to watching someone "system crash" during a fit for example. The only difference is that they are no longer breathing and won't recover; however, for all intents and purposes these are irrelevant.

But the feel is different. The warmth, the wet, the smells, the control...

Spoiler

Experience gained from non-human life forms, NSA. Keep your pants on.

 

[TimeAsylums]

intpforum to the general public: unchartered territory

 

[Hawkeye]

@OP: Another option I just thought of: Become a surgeon.

Aren't they supposed to save lives? ^^