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Taking and meaning offense [thread split]
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EloquentBohemian
MysticDragon
Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
I find this comment highly offensive and certainly not condusive to furthering discussion on such a delicate and personal matter as is being put forward here.
Ogion
Paladin of Patience
Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
Uhm, i think i am missing a linguistic reference about 'coat hangers'(?). But i think after IBs comment i don't think i want to know about it...
Ogion
Uhm, i think i am missing a linguistic reference about 'coat hangers'(?). But i think after IBs comment i don't think i want to know about it...
Ogion
NoID10ts
aka Noddy
Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
It's a reference to a barbaric way of performing an abortion in America prior to abortion being made legal. If wadlez had read EB's personal story on the matter, I'd like to think he wouldn't have posted that.
It's actually a reminder to me that I need to be careful with my words as well.
It's a reference to a barbaric way of performing an abortion in America prior to abortion being made legal. If wadlez had read EB's personal story on the matter, I'd like to think he wouldn't have posted that.
It's actually a reminder to me that I need to be careful with my words as well.
Jennywocky
Creepy Clown Chick
Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
*shudder*
yup.
Of course, the right answer to that question was: "To hang COATS on, goobhead."
Sigh.
Yeah. Reminds me of that scene in Liar Liar, where Fletcher's secretary tells him one of his old clients is back in jail AGAIN (for the upzillionth time) and wants to know what to do this time, and Fletcher grabs the phone and screams [since he can't lie that day], "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, *SSH*LE!"
Untangling the pile of yarn gets more complicated as you go. It's easier to avoid the whole ball of yarn altogether if you can. There is no "best solution."
*shudder*
yup.
Of course, the right answer to that question was: "To hang COATS on, goobhead."
Sigh.
EB said:
Yeah. Reminds me of that scene in Liar Liar, where Fletcher's secretary tells him one of his old clients is back in jail AGAIN (for the upzillionth time) and wants to know what to do this time, and Fletcher grabs the phone and screams [since he can't lie that day], "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, *SSH*LE!"
Untangling the pile of yarn gets more complicated as you go. It's easier to avoid the whole ball of yarn altogether if you can. There is no "best solution."
EloquentBohemian
MysticDragon
Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
I would not want anyone 'watching their words' here. We should be mature enough to pause and truly see what another is saying, then reply honestly.
A truly blatant and inconsiderate comment made without forethought is usually all too obvious. Subtle sarcasm, on the other hand, is a sign of mature wit.
And without mature wit, where would our INTPness be?
I like the 'yarn' analogy (...er, metaphor? ...I always get these two mixed up). There are always times when I feel like just walking away, but that doesn't untangle the yarn. Patient work at examining the ball of yarn will lead to untangling the separate threads and subsequently weaving them into something useful and meaningful.
Although, there are times when....
There's a difference between misintepreting someone's innocent and possibly valid remark, but that one was neither innocent, valid, considerate, nor useful to the conversation.
I would not want anyone 'watching their words' here. We should be mature enough to pause and truly see what another is saying, then reply honestly.
A truly blatant and inconsiderate comment made without forethought is usually all too obvious. Subtle sarcasm, on the other hand, is a sign of mature wit.
And without mature wit, where would our INTPness be?
I am not much of a fan of Jim Carey, but this film was hilarious. That scene was precious.
I like the 'yarn' analogy (...er, metaphor? ...I always get these two mixed up). There are always times when I feel like just walking away, but that doesn't untangle the yarn. Patient work at examining the ball of yarn will lead to untangling the separate threads and subsequently weaving them into something useful and meaningful.
Although, there are times when....Agent Intellect
Absurd Anti-hero.
Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
maybe this deserves its own thread split, but...
i often find that i say things that most people would find very offensive or disgusting. maybe it is a lack of forethought, but some people just have a higher threshold for what they find offensive or reprehensible. i'm quite desensitized to a lot of things. even though i'll often know that something or other might be offensive, i have a difficult time guaging just how offended someone might be. part of my sense of humor is finding that edge where its just slightly past peoples comfort zone, but not to the point of just being shocking and apalling (although i often could go there, i usually start from a less offensive place and go from there).
even something that someone else would probably feel i'd take very personally or be offended by it because it "hits close to home" usually doesn't affect me all that much. because of this, its difficult for me to know just how far i can go with someone else, because i think of something that might be repulsive to other people and i can't really "feel" why they would feel that way.
all i'm saying is, even though i've gotten better at controlling this (1000+ posts and i've yet to really alienate somebody yet) some people might be the same way i am, making comments that they would normally do with a couple friends in their living room without really thinking twice about it in a place where theres a larger audience. i'm not defending the post in question (especially since if he actually read the conversation he'd have known it was a personal issue for people) i'm just saying, i can kind of relate to it.
christ, that was long winded of me.
maybe this deserves its own thread split, but...
i often find that i say things that most people would find very offensive or disgusting. maybe it is a lack of forethought, but some people just have a higher threshold for what they find offensive or reprehensible. i'm quite desensitized to a lot of things. even though i'll often know that something or other might be offensive, i have a difficult time guaging just how offended someone might be. part of my sense of humor is finding that edge where its just slightly past peoples comfort zone, but not to the point of just being shocking and apalling (although i often could go there, i usually start from a less offensive place and go from there).
even something that someone else would probably feel i'd take very personally or be offended by it because it "hits close to home" usually doesn't affect me all that much. because of this, its difficult for me to know just how far i can go with someone else, because i think of something that might be repulsive to other people and i can't really "feel" why they would feel that way.
all i'm saying is, even though i've gotten better at controlling this (1000+ posts and i've yet to really alienate somebody yet) some people might be the same way i am, making comments that they would normally do with a couple friends in their living room without really thinking twice about it in a place where theres a larger audience. i'm not defending the post in question (especially since if he actually read the conversation he'd have known it was a personal issue for people) i'm just saying, i can kind of relate to it.
christ, that was long winded of me.
NoID10ts
aka Noddy
Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
I'm the same way. I am not easily offended and pretty much anything goes. As is probably obvious. But, I hate to think that something I say might hurt someone else. When I realize I have crossed a line with someone, I really get upset with myself. I never mean harm, but words can have a powerful impact on people and I have a tough time knowing the limits. but still I push! I'm not sure what that is all about.
I'm the same way. I am not easily offended and pretty much anything goes. As is probably obvious. But, I hate to think that something I say might hurt someone else. When I realize I have crossed a line with someone, I really get upset with myself. I never mean harm, but words can have a powerful impact on people and I have a tough time knowing the limits. but still I push! I'm not sure what that is all about.
Jennywocky
Creepy Clown Chick
Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
I find I have a good sense of how something will generally go over; I know part of my sense of humor is based on expectations, I think it's funny if the social expectation/routine has a wrench thrown into it... depending on context. (I think that Sarah Silverman's actually funny -- but she's so deadpan, I can see why some people think she's horrible.)
If someone's feelings are going to be dreadfully hurt, though, I'll avoid the joke. Some things are too big or I don't know the people well enough.
....Just kidding, of course.
What is your sense of aesthetics like? Do you feel that you are artistic, or musical, or dress well, or a good decorator?
To me aesthetics is a sense of the emotional impact of certain things on people. I'm wondering if the same sensitivities are in play -- if the aesthetic sense carries over to social anticipations as well.
I don't like hurting/violating others either. I think when someone makes a crass comment, I find myself more annoyed than offended; I can see what they were doing and why, and if I sense they just don't have a good social sense, I'll "forgive it" but I'll still be annoyed with them.
When I mod on the other site, I'm not sure what to do with it sometimes. Some people say things that I can deal with fine, even if I find it distasteful; but then I'm aware that other members can't handle it, so then I'm sort of stuck forcing compliance to behavior for the sake of someone else even if I'm not really bothered by what they said myself. I am not sure how I feel about that yet.
I find I have a good sense of how something will generally go over; I know part of my sense of humor is based on expectations, I think it's funny if the social expectation/routine has a wrench thrown into it... depending on context. (I think that Sarah Silverman's actually funny -- but she's so deadpan, I can see why some people think she's horrible.)
If someone's feelings are going to be dreadfully hurt, though, I'll avoid the joke. Some things are too big or I don't know the people well enough.
*gasp* I hate you, go away forever!
....Just kidding, of course.
I usually reserve my worst social faux pas for people I know well. They're the only ones I trust well enough to know they won't take me seriously if I say something inadvertently rude; on public forums, where people might take offense, I tend to err on the side of politeness.
I'm sorry I'm running off topic, but I think this could be interesting... maybe a thread split?
What is your sense of aesthetics like? Do you feel that you are artistic, or musical, or dress well, or a good decorator?
To me aesthetics is a sense of the emotional impact of certain things on people. I'm wondering if the same sensitivities are in play -- if the aesthetic sense carries over to social anticipations as well.
I don't like hurting/violating others either. I think when someone makes a crass comment, I find myself more annoyed than offended; I can see what they were doing and why, and if I sense they just don't have a good social sense, I'll "forgive it" but I'll still be annoyed with them.
When I mod on the other site, I'm not sure what to do with it sometimes. Some people say things that I can deal with fine, even if I find it distasteful; but then I'm aware that other members can't handle it, so then I'm sort of stuck forcing compliance to behavior for the sake of someone else even if I'm not really bothered by what they said myself. I am not sure how I feel about that yet.
Agent Intellect
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Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
i have close to no sense of aesthetics.
i still wear the oversized, tattered clothes that i wore in high school (christ, thats over 5 years ago now), pretty much all either black, gray, or dark blue. i can't think of anything more tedious and wasteful then having to think about what i'm going to wear for the day. i just pick up whatever is on top of my pile of clothes (on the floor) and throw it on. takes me all of fifteen seconds to get dressed. i shave about twice a month, so i usually have a scruffy looking beard. i have empty beer bottles, books, CD's, and clothes strewn all about my room. my hair is completely utilitarian: i keep it short, when it gets to the point where i'd might need to start combing it, i get it lopped off (which is easy and free for me because my sister is a hair stylist).
i have close to no sense of aesthetics.
i still wear the oversized, tattered clothes that i wore in high school (christ, thats over 5 years ago now), pretty much all either black, gray, or dark blue. i can't think of anything more tedious and wasteful then having to think about what i'm going to wear for the day. i just pick up whatever is on top of my pile of clothes (on the floor) and throw it on. takes me all of fifteen seconds to get dressed. i shave about twice a month, so i usually have a scruffy looking beard. i have empty beer bottles, books, CD's, and clothes strewn all about my room. my hair is completely utilitarian: i keep it short, when it gets to the point where i'd might need to start combing it, i get it lopped off (which is easy and free for me because my sister is a hair stylist).
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Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
Nothing offends me: I get annoyed with people who are easily offended. I can usually tell if something I say will offend someone, but usually either a) said someone is nowhere near me b) it's offending someone because it's not 'politically correct' *retch* or c) I don't give a damn if I offend them, so in all three instances, I say it anyway. If someone who I actually don't want to offend (and would be offended) is around, or I realise that it's actually brutally insensitive rather than offensive, I don't.
I have no aesthetics. I wear what's comfortable and barely brush my hair before I leave the house. My clothes are what are comfortable and what I like, and what are unique to me, as much as possible. My room is a mess, except for the path from the door to the bed. My mom says she has one son, one daughter, and one Thing. (I support a thread split for this.)
Nothing offends me: I get annoyed with people who are easily offended. I can usually tell if something I say will offend someone, but usually either a) said someone is nowhere near me b) it's offending someone because it's not 'politically correct' *retch* or c) I don't give a damn if I offend them, so in all three instances, I say it anyway. If someone who I actually don't want to offend (and would be offended) is around, or I realise that it's actually brutally insensitive rather than offensive, I don't.
I have no aesthetics. I wear what's comfortable and barely brush my hair before I leave the house. My clothes are what are comfortable and what I like, and what are unique to me, as much as possible. My room is a mess, except for the path from the door to the bed. My mom says she has one son, one daughter, and one Thing.
(I support a thread split for this.)
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the only 'offensive' people who have successfully offended me at all (though i didn't really show it), were the ones that are both blatantly personally obnoxious AND can't take any criticism in the slightest without getting offended, which seems ridiculously hypocritical. of course these people are the 'offensive jokes' themselves. best to increase awareness of shit this massive in size, to know how to effectively just brush it off/throw it in the trash.
now who's up for some nigger-lynching after fucking some 8 year olds?
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now who's up for some nigger-lynching after fucking some 8 year olds?
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brutally insensitive, yeah, that's where we're comfortable mostly. that's the nail on the head. the Fe hostile/sensitive types would be that ^ first paragraph, probably. thank you.
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I'm struck aghast by the sheer awesomeness displayed ^ x 3. Wonderful...so now every brutally insensitive slob on the planet has a hip trendy INTP stereotype to explain why they act like such complete and utter assholes. This is truly what I've always wanted.
Indeed, 'Fe' is for the weak! Fucking peasants! Crybabies! If they had devoted their entire childhoods to online multiplayer gaming like we did they wouldn't even have all those social graces holding them back from overcoming their emotions! Fuckin' noobs! Your little faggot asses are all PWND! Counterstrike, uh I mean INTP FTW MUTHAFUCKAS!
And this is supposed to be a thread-splitting source of intrigue? Hmmm...I've apparently once again fallen on my own sword of eternal jadedness. I'm going back to my Halo game...somebody let me know when this latest fad has finished chasing it's tail to exhaustion.
*Edit...just stating for the record that I also found the OP highly offensive. I simply fail to understand why these post-count whores must continually feign ignorance of the obvious fact that god references of this ilk are inappropriate and unnecessary.
Indeed, 'Fe' is for the weak! Fucking peasants! Crybabies! If they had devoted their entire childhoods to online multiplayer gaming like we did they wouldn't even have all those social graces holding them back from overcoming their emotions! Fuckin' noobs! Your little faggot asses are all PWND! Counterstrike, uh I mean INTP FTW MUTHAFUCKAS!
And this is supposed to be a thread-splitting source of intrigue? Hmmm...I've apparently once again fallen on my own sword of eternal jadedness. I'm going back to my Halo game...somebody let me know when this latest fad has finished chasing it's tail to exhaustion.
*Edit...just stating for the record that I also found the OP highly offensive. I simply fail to understand why these post-count whores must continually feign ignorance of the obvious fact that god references of this ilk are inappropriate and unnecessary.
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Well, believe it or not, I think you answered
your question in your question.
Let's look at this real quick, "If god did not
want us to have abortions why did he give
us coat hangers?"
Perhaps to hang our coats? I know that's a
radical idea but I am just such a revolutionist,
you know.
The intent of coat hangers was not to remove
fetuses. Maybe this means god didn't think his
plan through or whatever but supporting abortion
because we have coat hangers is a bit ridiculous
in my eyes.
kantor1003
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Re: The my body my right argument. [abortion -thread merge]
In daily interactions though, one should try to asses the people one are with to judge how far you can take something without hurting anyone.
On a public forum however, one can't really take it too much into consideration, imo, as there is always someone that will get offended by any statement that isn't castrated into a political correct one. If someone gets offended by a forum post, then they will have a hard time spending time online me thinks, and it's their problem, not the one posting what they found to be offensive. I'm talking more about posts that isn't directed towards any specific person in general, not about posts that either is directed towards a particular person/poster, or for instance (an extreme example) about someone cracking jokes about killing babies in a thread where someone, just having lost their child, chose to share it with the forum members.
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Wow, this thread is old. Damn necromancers.
I agree with this.
In daily interactions though, one should try to asses the people one are with to judge how far you can take something without hurting anyone.
On a public forum however, one can't really take it too much into consideration, imo, as there is always someone that will get offended by any statement that isn't castrated into a political correct one. If someone gets offended by a forum post, then they will have a hard time spending time online me thinks, and it's their problem, not the one posting what they found to be offensive. I'm talking more about posts that isn't directed towards any specific person in general, not about posts that either is directed towards a particular person/poster, or for instance (an extreme example) about someone cracking jokes about killing babies in a thread where someone, just having lost their child, chose to share it with the forum members.
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Wow, this thread is old. Damn necromancers.
Hmmm, I never figured you to be one to dig into the Archives. There are some amazing threads back in the "Stacks" and I am glad that Claverhouse is saving them. I am sure that the first generations of A.I.s, if not future generations of INTPians, with appreciate it as well.
Why don't you set yourself up as the official "Digger into the Archives"?
BTW - glad to see that you are still alive and willing to engage...
EDIT: afterthought I wonder what an IBM 'Watson" would be like if programmed first with the material from this forum?
Are there any spiders back in the archives?
If so whose are they?
Why don't you set yourself up as the official "Digger into the Archives"?
BTW - glad to see that you are still alive and willing to engage...
EDIT: afterthought I wonder what an IBM 'Watson" would be like if programmed first with the material from this forum?
Are there any spiders back in the archives?
If so whose are they?
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Okay. I just need to know for the record whether or not you people are all being facetious or if you are actually offended.
I'm not asking a loaded question. I have difficulty knowing if somebody is being sarcastic or not.
I had assumed that Wadlez (known in the past for hir desire to push the envelope of social decorum) was making a point about the act of offending or being offended. Many people say they are not easily offended. I suspect Wadlez was testing the truthfulness/validity of that.
Then again, maybe the people who necrod this thread understood that and were going with the game.
I NEED CONTEXT DAMN IT!
I'm not asking a loaded question. I have difficulty knowing if somebody is being sarcastic or not.
I had assumed that Wadlez (known in the past for hir desire to push the envelope of social decorum) was making a point about the act of offending or being offended. Many people say they are not easily offended. I suspect Wadlez was testing the truthfulness/validity of that.
Then again, maybe the people who necrod this thread understood that and were going with the game.
I NEED CONTEXT DAMN IT!GYX_Kid
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good one
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There are limits on either side. You shouldn't be required to walk on eggshells in order to communicate successfully, but neither should you take pride in being offensive. Frankly that's like many of the rednecks I know who are proud to be mind numbingly stupid. Such twats ruin things for everyone else.
It's not like the internet is completely devoid of places where reveling in your crass nature is acceptable.
It's not like the internet is completely devoid of places where reveling in your crass nature is acceptable.
SpaceYeti
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the OP already knew this, and this thread is a joke.
Perhaps.
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Personally, I saw it mostly as an opportunity to inject some mocking parody into the sardonic wit being expressed, though I don't deny harboring some underlying animosity for all the carefully-constructed attempts to script bullshit facades for INTPiquity as some kind of uber-cool coldly-logical ultra-hard justification for emotional retardation. Emotional detachment is the bane of my INTP existence. I can feel the caring I have for others to great depth inside myself, but the mere idea of expressing it makes me feel awkward and embarrassed. When someone reaches for me my impulse is to draw away. When I was younger I would literally flinch and recoil if someone accidentally brushed against me. Each of my kids has at some time or other gotten this same reaction from touching me. When my youngest son was around age 6, this was how I reacted when he attempted to hold my hand while crossing the street. I will never forget the image of him looking up at me in utter bewilderment and saying "I'm sorry dad.".
Never reaching out doesn't justify harboring contempt for those who would reach out to you. It's no surprise parenting is such an alien concept on INTP-themed forums, but it pisses me off how these forums stage an insensitivity festival at the mere idea that Fe might be worthy of discussion in the context of an inerrant INTP weakness that can potentially be overcome. That's a taboo topic, yet nobody has the balls to just tell me how to pull the plug and totally disconnect from giving a shit whether or not my insensitivity causes my kids, wife, family and everyone else I come into contact with to suffer.
"Being offended" just sets the stage for another condescension circle-jerk, and I don't need that much malevolence to sit here and cum on myself.
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The OP's somewhat overstated lack of humorous intellect appears to have long since subverted it's own access to serious consideration. Your obvious prior awareness of this betrays your fixation with taking pot-shots at The Bird and plummets your ongoing efforts to the deepest depths of quality.
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You're response above is deeply insightful and I'm glad you put it out there.
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The trouble with thread splits is you don't always know what it was split from so the OP which isn't an OP doesn't make contexual sense. I was referenced a post or two below (unless it was supposed to be EB instead of IB) and I have no memory of what this was supposed to be about. I guess I've been here so long that what was old is new again.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't some dickwad (yeah, I said it) trying to justify naziism. I think that's really new. Everything else is just a blur. I'm just posting on this thread because it's on the last page of "new posts" since I was last here. Last couple times I disappeared for some time I didn't announce or anything. This disappearance may last longer. Time to do something different. See you all out there....or not.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't some dickwad (yeah, I said it) trying to justify naziism. I think that's really new. Everything else is just a blur. I'm just posting on this thread because it's on the last page of "new posts" since I was last here. Last couple times I disappeared for some time I didn't announce or anything. This disappearance may last longer. Time to do something different. See you all out there....or not.