Hey that's offensive! We haven't had a good banning in idk a week! Tell RB he's slacking at his new role of free speech manager.Goddammit, no one at INTPx created this thread. I'm so hyped that it looks like Fag boy is going to kill his mother.
Oh shit, I'm probably going to get banned pretty soon then. Ha.Hey that's offensive! We haven't had a good banning in idk a week! Tell RB he's slacking at his new role of free speech manager.
Honestly while I hate the character I think we need more characters like Kylo from a realism perspective. Just not like Kylo.
ya know I'm not sure he has anything swinging between that figurative white belt and those checkered Vans either....Oh shit, I'm probably going to get banned pretty soon then. Ha.
I call Kylo a fag boy because I'm pretty much like him myself sometimes. Except I don't have anything swinging between my legs.
How do you know he hates the script? All I heard is that he thought it was interesting that the director was taking it in the direction he was.Mark Hamil aparently hates the script, so I know its gonna suck cannon wise.
May the force be with you
I think the backstory is supposed to be.Considering this is now a discussion thread I hope nobody's going to complain about spoilers.
Kylo killing Snoke was good, he was a stupidly overpowered character with no motivations or background aside from "mwahahahaha I'm evil".
I wish Rey had accepted Kylo's offer on the condition that he let the rebels go, this would give them a believable escape, the Rey/Kylo ship the movie keeps hinting at would be less stupid, and best of all it sets up Finn/Poe having to contend with two incredibly powerful force wielders, the film finishing with "The New Order" being the most powerful force in the galaxy (despite another massive logistical loss, seriously how well funded are they?).
Lucas and now these movies have always been kind of light on a sense of how this works on a galactic level. Like, it's so focused on a few small events, but the universe is huge and apparently there are lots of planets and we never get a sense of everything that could be going on elsewhere or how rule of law is enforced.I think the backstory is supposed to be.
Old empire and new republic stop fighting make peace and the survivors and separate about 5 years after starwars 6, so they have like a good amount of the universe and the republic has a good amount of the universe. So being a well funded military operation makes sense, not everything is tied up in the fleets but you can bet a large part of it was almost like the federation vs old republic but on a smaller scale. One more massive defeat and they'll probably run thin on resources though. (last movie)
Now the part that doesn't make sense, in a universe that large, that the blowup 5 systems completely cripples the entire republic and they have no army at all and can't contend with the new order at all. (Now you could say they are just staging at this point and all their ships will become the new resistance/republic but I feel like that's too much credit)
I think it's just underdog syndrome. They need the rebels to be the small underdogs that band together so people like them more.
Also I personally loved the hyperspace jump and liked most of the movie for the experience if not the technical aspects. Now my "internal cannon" has hyperspace blockers or some shit installed on most planets and the drives are coded to not jump into planets for the random ones with nobody on them so people don't jump into a planet and just blow it up. Kinda like a safety mechanism. As for why all space battle isn't just hyperspace torpedo's...
The base they began with had shields and it was the same base as the base in ray left Fin. At least 800 people were on the base. Again the base should have had good shields if it was next to the 4 planets of the core republic. The new base they were going to had base shields and so Kylo Ren had to land on the salt lake bed. It makes no sense that they went to the second base when the first base had shields.I mean, do the lives of 400 people really matter? And if they die, will anyone hear about it? I mean, who cares? There are probably pockets of 400 people scattered all over each planet, let alone the galaxy. We got no sense that this group was coordinating with anyone. It all just feels so dumb, like small people have their small pocket war in a small corner of the universe and claiming it affects everyone.
It feels like we missed a whole movie that explained where the First Order came from (indeed what is the "First Order" they're named after? Order 66 or was the Empire itself considered the first time the universe was orderly?) and the establishment of the New Republic, I think our intro to the New Republic was the moment they were blown up by the First Order's knock-off deathstar.I think the backstory is supposed to be.
Old empire and new republic stop fighting make peace and the survivors and separate about 5 years after starwars 6, so they have like a good amount of the universe and the republic has a good amount of the universe.
the 400 number was used in the movie at some point.The base they began with had shields and it was the same base as the base in ray left Fin. At least 800 people were on the base. Again the base should have had good shields if it was next to the 4 planets of the core republic. The new base they were going to had base shields and so Kylo Ren had to land on the salt lake bed. It makes no sense that they went to the second base when the first base had shields.
By the way, only 40 people could fit on the millennium falcon. 760 of 800 people died. And they were the main army of the republic?
The trailer was okay, but I've seen better.The bright side is that the trailers still send chills down my spine.
Stuff like "kill your worst enemy" was so freaking on the nose. It was already clear from the first movie that Kylo felt like a slave to Snoke and was regularly abused by the man, and here he just went and rubbed his nose in how stupid Kylo was (where Kylo thought HE was talking to Rey, and Snoke was like, "Yes, you foolish boy, it was me who made it work; I just used you." I mean, was it already not clear that Kylo needed to kill Snoke and hated Snoke on some level, as yet another father figure who pushed him down and didn't really give a shit about him? Did anyone in the audience think he would actually kill Rey, who he had a connection with? Or would he kill this scumbag mentor who was a real danger to both of them regardless of their alignment? It was kind of a ho-hum that he tried to kill him; it was kind of shocking only in that he succeeded with a silly trick like that and that after all the Snoke setup, the script just tosses him out with the trash abruptly.Kylo killing Snook. Thought this was done very very well. Especially when Snook says to Kylo to kill his "worst" enemy because let's face it, Kylo was basically a pin cushion for Snook. What proceeded after that moment of unity for Kylo and Rey was also really well done. I thought it was appropriate that Kylo had created this bond with Rey and Kylo gunna be Kylo and Rey gunna be Ray and the end up on different sides.
I mean to be fair the timing of Christmas is awful, with Disney owning everything they have to spread the releases out so they don't compete with themselves.It looks like TLJ has one of the biggest second week drops in box office history.
And I didn't even like a lot of Lord of the Rings either because of Jackson's crazy excesses / fantasy clichés rather than just focusing on Tolkien's narrative.I think if you compare this movie to Lord of the Rings there is really no comparison. LotR was done so much better that it's not even funny.
What do you mean by fantasy cliches?And I didn't even like a lot of Lord of the Rings either because of Jackson's crazy excesses / fantasy clichés rather than just focusing on Tolkien's narrative.
Well, the first movie was enjoyable at least....
Tolkien essentially started a jump on fantasy pop culture which started in the 70's. It was taken over by the gaming industry in particular (tabletop and then computer games, although movies as well). Once all of this had sat and churned out a bunch of derivative generic stuff, Jackson churned out the Lord of the Rings movies using all the clichés of fantasy rather than going back to the more unique voice of Tolkien. It's kind of like inbreeding at its worst.What do you mean by fantasy cliches?
I only know one Truth,
I need someone to show me my place in all this.
The force, is calling to you, just let it in.
Something inside me has always been there but I need help.
I agree with all that. The alt-right didn't like it either, because of political undertone + deviating from their script; I don't really care about either side at all. I guess if a movie can make comments that are "political" in a way that meshes with the story, then that's fine; but not when the movie just looks like a statement on current political drama (unless it's meant to be parody). As you mention, it's not even done well.As a standalone - it is passable as an action movie.
As a star wars main trilogy episode, it is a slap in the face to everything that has come before it. Even the prequels didn’t disrespect it as much. This “starwars” movie only slightly felt of starwars. It was as if the canon was not even researched.
Objectively, it has a lot of plot holes, bad pacing, bad writing, and was politically loaded*.
Let's face it, the film was crap in terms of making any sense and conveying it to the audience. The image of multiple reflections of Rey, for example, was kind of eerie in the good sense but conveyed no actual information about what was going on. They were supposed to be telling a story, but if the story conveys no meaning to the audience to bring us into the journey, what is the point of it? It was just kind of shocking in how alternatingly trite, then opaque, everything was.How Star Wars The Last Jedi Should Have Ended
Reys training still needs expanding upon.
Like how she could not breathe? what caused that? Did it come from the dark side? There needs to be an entire hour added to the movie just to get in Jedi lore and exposition.
What do you see, I see light, darkness, and the balance.
God Fucking Damn it, what is the balance. Why is it so mystical. What makes luke believe the Jedi should end. The cycle between light and dark? If the Jedi end the sith end which destroys the cycle of light and dark. No Jedi means no Sith. But then the books in the temple reveals the force will bring about Rey because of the force. Then Rey somehow defeats Snoke by remembering to breathe because the dark and light is in and out, breath. She remembers the dark in her and counters Snoke with transparency. Force push goes pass her knocking down Kylo Ren because the balance makes her inbetween light and dark. Kylo falls into the inbetween only after he fails to defeat the resistance at the end of the movie. Episode nine goes into the something about a dark inbetween and a light inbetween. Rey is reading the books from the temple opening scene.