Socionics and INTPs

[Aiss]

Or "Are you ILI or LII?". I'm sorry if this was discussed before, I searched and didn't find any recent threads. Next two paragraphs are quite self-centered, so skip them if you don't care for it.

So, the first time I've heard of socionics, I've just assumed I must be INTj (or LII) since their main functions are Ti-Ne. Recently I've taken a test though, and came up as INTp (with significant result for p). My first instinct (as always) was to doubt the test (INTP using Ni-Te? Really?), but I've decided to read about it. Wikipedia said INTp relates to both INTx types in MBTI. I moved on to functions and their roles. They didn't really fit. Just to make sure, I've decided to read their socionics descriptions...

... and realized they weren't the same as in MBTI, even though both were supposedly derived from Jung's (I wonder how much of it is interpretation?). Taking care not to mix them with what I think of cognitive processes in MBTI way, I've analyzed how it relates to functions position. It fit completely. So, I decided to read on LII and ILI types. Some parts of the latter description hit home (ultimate skepticism and relativism), just as some part of INTP profile (more precisely, emotional chameleon) did when I first learned of MBTI. LII did not. Other aspects of socionics hinted for it as well.

I am ILI?

Scaring realization, for some reason... but there's a lot of LII INTJs on INTJf. So this is both widely accepted and met with (not complying with P -> j, J -> p "rule"). So, it shouldn't be that uncommon.

This triggered another question - one I've seen discussed here several times - of what makes some INTPs different from others (mainly INTPs from this forum). Then there are INTJs (though scarce) who prefer this forum. Can socionics type be related to that? What type are you?

 

[gepcy loc]

*eye twitches*

Trying to categories people is like trying to square a circle, you going to go mad trying.... Even if its yourself.

You cant take a person say s/he is something and just leave it at that, people are more complicated then that your not a cookie, you don't come from a cookie-cutter .

 

[Aiss]

*eye twitches*

Trying to categories people is like trying to square a circle, you going to go mad trying.... Even if its yourself.

You cant take a person say s/he is something and just leave it at that, people are more complicated then that your not a cookie, you don't come from a cookie-cutter .

Yes, I realize it. I'm not so much attempting to categorize myself as understand how personality theories apply to me (because that's the only way I can understand them, really) and others - because I'd really like someone else's input. As I've said, it's somehow scary how accurately some fragments describe me. Anyway, this ILI vs LII idea just came to my mind and I wanted to see if there's something to it.

 

[gepcy loc]

I'm more ILI than anything I think.

In fact. I found this
http://www.mizami.nl/public_html/questionnaire

 

[Thread Killer]

I am INTP and I am also ILI. As far as the discussion. I just think going by a test such as MBTI is unreliable. I used to test as INFP. My friend who is just like me tests ISTJ on MBTI. But I think over-identifying with a personality construct is one of the things that people go wrong on in studying personality though it seems more prevalent in socionics.

 

[fullerene]

I've been wondering, how is going by a socionics test any more reliable? I think I've heard that from socionics-advocates several times before, but I can't understand why.

 

[Thread Killer]

I've been wondering, how is going by a socionics test any more reliable? I think I've heard that from socionics-advocates several times before, but I can't understand why.

I mean tests period. You don't need a test to find a type. My friend who I typed more easily than I typed any INTP or ILI found her type just by logically going through descriptions and such and figured which one described her best and did a systematic trial by error thing. All a test does is ask you what you know about yourself and spit out an answer. But if you understand the personality theory and have a fairly good understanding of yourself, you should be able to figure it out without the aid of a test. I think a test is a way to start but either you see yourself as you are or you do not. If you think you value logic more than you do (or rather use it more than you do), the test is not going to tell you you are wrong.

 

[Aiss]

I've been wondering, how is going by a socionics test any more reliable? I think I've heard that from socionics-advocates several times before, but I can't understand why.

Not the tests as such, but learning of socionics funtions after getting to know MBTI is like "wow, it actually makes sense!". Some definitions (especially Si and Ni, but also others) are very different. Many discussions about MBTI functions seem contradictory, probably because same functions are described by the people who prefer different ones. I look back at what I've written myself on the topic and realize how it couldn't work.

 

[Starfruit M.E.]

I took the test in the link and it said I was an ILI but that I could also consider IEI, ILE, and IEE. Which makes sense because I've worked on my being social, and my "funtional preference ordering" is actually Ti, Fi, Fe, Ne (not Ti, Ne, Si, Fe) according to the other tests I've taken.

 

[Aiss]

I took the test in the link and it said I was an ILI but that I could also consider IEI, ILE, and IEE. Which makes sense because I've worked on my being social, and my "funtional preference ordering" is actually Ti, Fi, Fe, Ne (not Ti, Ne, Si, Fe) according to the other tests I've taken.

Socionics functions are different.

ILI - Ni-Te
IEI - Ni-Fe
ILE - Ne-Ti
IEE - Ne-Fi

 

[Darby]

I got ILE (according to Aiss this is Ne-Ti which is the dominant functions for INTP I thought) with options for:

IEE-Ne/Fi
ILI-Ni/Te
IEI-Ni/Fe​

 

[Nocturne]

Odd. I happen to be tested as an ILE.
Perhaps I belong to a very distant branch on the INTP tree? >.<

 

[tepellian]

Or "Are you ILI or LII?". I'm sorry if this was discussed before, I searched and didn't find any recent threads. Next two paragraphs are quite self-centered, so skip them if you don't care for it.

So, the first time I've heard of socionics, I've just assumed I must be INTj (or LII) since their main functions are Ti-Ne. Recently I've taken a test though, and came up as INTp (with significant result for p). My first instinct (as always) was to doubt the test (INTP using Ni-Te? Really?), but I've decided to read about it. Wikipedia said INTp relates to both INTx types in MBTI. I moved on to functions and their roles. They didn't really fit. Just to make sure, I've decided to read their socionics descriptions...

... and realized they weren't the same as in MBTI, even though both were supposedly derived from Jung's (I wonder how much of it is interpretation?). Taking care not to mix them with what I think of cognitive processes in MBTI way, I've analyzed how it relates to functions position. It fit completely. So, I decided to read on LII and ILI types. Some parts of the latter description hit home (ultimate skepticism and relativism), just as some part of INTP profile (more precisely, emotional chameleon) did when I first learned of MBTI. LII did not. Other aspects of socionics hinted for it as well.

I am ILI?

Scaring realization, for some reason... but there's a lot of LII INTJs on INTJf. So this is both widely accepted and met with (not complying with P -> j, J -> p "rule"). So, it shouldn't be that uncommon.

This triggered another question - one I've seen discussed here several times - of what makes some INTPs different from others (mainly INTPs from this forum). Then there are INTJs (though scarce) who prefer this forum. Can socionics type be related to that? What type are you?

I also tested ILI at sociotype.com. My second probability was LII, not too far off. Just to confirm, I took the test three different times on three different days, and behold: ILI, secondary probability LII. A few other tests also put me at ILI. I had a superficial understanding, before, of how the socionics 'p' and 'j' are used, so I was surprised to see myself classed as an INTp, while any Myers-Briggs test I have taken claims I am INTP.

Socionics and MBTI do seem rather different.