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Sherlock Holmes & Watson

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Id say Mycroft is the INTP.
Watson is - I dunno.
Moriarty an xNTJ
I agree on Sherlock as an ENTP
 

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Which version are we talking about? It's important.
 

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Sherlock Holmes in the book was aberrant. Simultaneously dominant in Ti and Ni while having healthy doses of Se, Ne, Te, and Si. You could say the same of the TV one too.
 
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Which version are we talking about? It's important.
This is true

Unless we're talking about Elementary. That show sucks.
 

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There are several portrayals of Sherlock, it is important to know which one we're talking about...

He's an introvert for sure in the BBC series. Maybe E because he needs/wants affirmation of his genius? But he doesn't want attention from everyone or anyone...

I always thought Mycroft was an INTJ and Sherlock was INTP. Watson is some kind of guardian personality.
 

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I refer to the literature version, not really any of the screen versions, although people may be free to speculate on the types of those. And actually, INTJ is another good type for him, so maybe a mixture of both of those.

How on earth is Holmes an ENTP. He is INTP by construction.
By construction? Do explain. I should also mention that Doyle didn't necessarily care what any producers did to Holmes for the adaptations, as he essentially gave them free reign. So I speak mainly of the lit version, which I assume is what most people go by when they say he's INTP...
 

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Downey Junior's Sherlock is close to ENTP but ENTJ might actually work out bit better.
Cumberbitch's Sherlock is ENTP.

Dole's Sherlock is socially introverted ESTJ (enneagram type 5)
 

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Watson is ISFJ.
Sticks with partner even when he should have left long ago
Deserves better but still is loyal
Was medic in war
Reliable as hell. Always there to save the day. Reminds me of my grandma who is ISFJ. She's a badass. Her husband is ESTP, they remind me of the Sherlock and John duo, except yer husband is very reverent of her (he calls it "fear of God")
Intrigued by Sherlock's intellectual stuff
ISFJ ISFJ ISFJ

Sherlock's weird and doesn't fit into normal typings that well
Se not Si the way he observes things and picks up all those tiny physical clues and all that- it's some crazy shit, even though it's something you learn, it's still crazy and I want to die just thinking of myself trying to learn all that. But then he has his mind palace which says Si to me, and it requires a good amount of visualization, which goes to Se, blah blah.
:confused:
He does the "Ti" thing of sitting, thinking, smoking a pipe, even starving himself and using drugs to increase his thinking abilities

Normal Sherlock is a charming dude. There are certain types that tend to come across like that.

ISTP is Ti Se Ni Fe and that makes a lot of sense to me
ESTP is Se Ti Fe Ni which also makes a ton of sense

I might say Sher is ESTP and Watson ISFJ.

((BBC Sherlock is an extremely unhealthy mess. Where the hell is his Fe))
 
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Sherlock's weird and doesn't fit into normal typings that well
Se not Si the way he observes things and picks up all those tiny physical clues and all that- it's some crazy shit, even though it's something you learn, it's still crazy and I want to die just thinking of myself trying to learn all that. But then he has his mind palace which says Si to me, and it requires a good amount of visualization, which goes to Se, blah blah.
In the Study in Scarlet, Sherlock explained to Watson how he mostly worked from indoors on his cases, that the testimony and the details his clients expressed to him usually sufficed him to solve cases, and he only occasionally had to go out for 'leg work'.
The book's Sherlock doesn't really seem to care much for going out and actually experiencing his cases - he doesn't have BBC Sherlock's evident liking for the excitement of immersion in crime scenes and such. Also, the staggering imagery in the show of Sherlock's quick perceptions and taking up the environment, is contrasted by how Sherlock's gathering of data, as seen in the first CSI in the same first novel, is said to be methodical, precise, using tape measure and scanning the whole room, in a rather routine manner.

All seems more Si to me. BBC Sherlock's definitely ISTP, though.
 

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Sherlock's weird and doesn't fit into normal typings that well
Se not Si the way he observes things and picks up all those tiny physical clues and all that- it's some crazy shit, even though it's something you learn, it's still crazy and I want to die just thinking of myself trying to learn all that. But then he has his mind palace which says Si to me, and it requires a good amount of visualization, which goes to Se, blah blah.

Si only reminds it of what is different, so it's Ni too, which is Se. Except it doesn't make sense as it would mean there are no different types but it's just according to the theory so there are, but aren't obviously, if you don't use the theory's framework.
All seems more Si to me. BBC Sherlock's definitely ISTP, though.

In the Study in Scarlet, Sherlock explained to Watson how he mostly worked from indoors on his cases, that the testimony and the details his clients expressed to him usually sufficed him to solve cases, and he only occasionally had to go out for 'leg work'.
The book's Sherlock doesn't really seem to care much for going out and actually experiencing his cases - he doesn't have BBC Sherlock's evident liking for the excitement of immersion in crime scenes and such. Also, the staggering imagery in the show of Sherlock's quick perceptions and taking up the environment, is contrasted by how Sherlock's gathering of data, as seen in the first CSI in the same first novel, is said to be methodical, precise, using tape measure and scanning the whole room, in a rather routine manner.

No it doesn't. BBC Sherlock is more so INTP, then the next in line is ENTJ. ISTP was the book version because he picked up on detail. There's like one example in each Sherlock story where he does that. He's still INTJ too, in both the books (4 novellas and 56 short stories, I already said I didn't include any other author's "unofficial" work which in this sense basically means not written by Doyle (and some of the adaptations too). Watson has Si and Fe so could be ISFJ or ESFJ depending on which one it is. In the original books he's more ESTJ, not really ENTJ.

Also, typing fictional characters doesn't make sense.
Now ask me why I made this thread if I just did type fictional characters, since that doesn't make sense.
 

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What makes you so certain. And which depiction? Either way, if this is the main point, then that would mean Watson's type is important, and one of the main themes that would be the final piece to make the puzzle complete. His type is symbolic, given the main cognitive functional theory/hypothesis unless there's a different one being used, like zodiac signs. So traditional, if you agree with them, guides say he's typed as ISFJ or ESFJ and there may be decent reason for it, so it could also mean he's INTP since they have the same functions. If not, then that's a debunked theory and you're basically stupid for believing it as a result, there's no point fighting back and trying to prove it more true from experience or with examples, but that's if it's only merely a false hypothesis. So there's the chance he's either introverted or extraverted, possibly a thinker although apparently a feeler. So typing fictional characters doesn't count, either way, it's a symbolic theme that expresses the idea. And this is just a hypothetical idea of a separate existing work, it doesn't mean or do much whatever conclusion it comes to, anyone can relate to or be a Sherlock archetype these days, it's not a Sheldon Cooper thing.
Sticks with partner even when he should have left long ago
Deserves better but still is loyal
Was medic in war
Reliable as hell. Always there to save the day. Reminds me of my grandma who is ISFJ. She's a badass. Her husband is ESTP, they remind me of the Sherlock and John duo, except yer husband is very reverent of her (he calls it "fear of God")
Intrigued by Sherlock's intellectual stuff
ISFJ ISFJ ISFJ
So those are just "Si" traits. It depends on Doyle's type, he could be EXTJ, Cherry Cola said ESTJ. They're still fairly intuitive with Ne in the tertiary position, which is some sort of resting state that's mostly always there or subconsciously being used. It doesn't really save anything to come out for later. So Doyle depicted himself as ISFJ in the stories, there's slight chance Watson is really ENTJ. If you take Jude Law's depiction, just to add a "more modern" example that was designed to beef him up a little and make him look more vigorous compared to older, more classic adaptations, he might not be that extraverted or INTP. Or introverted, as he probably shows more Ti than inferior Ti. Sherlock's not ESTP, that doesn't do much for predictive power, and models for his behavior make ISTP or ENTP more likely inevitably, since he's clearly an introvert. I'm not a fan of certain adaptations, then, I like the simple presentations better, and treat them with more respect. As a theme all it could mean is an INTP's relationship with another type, a more certain realistic look at it. There's certainly worth in rereading them. There are no real ENTP types that appear introverted for too long, some of them are more "goofy", who could possibly lack a depth that Ti has. His brother Mycroft could be INTP, if so, Sherlock is ISTP or ENTP as they're way different, or else he's INTP too but of a different archetype or the same and they just appear different, there aren't any other explanations.

Sherlock's weird and doesn't fit into normal typings that well
Se not Si the way he observes things and picks up all those tiny physical clues and all that- it's some crazy shit, even though it's something you learn, it's still crazy and I want to die just thinking of myself trying to learn all that. But then he has his mind palace which says Si to me, and it requires a good amount of visualization, which goes to Se, blah blah.
:confused:
He does the "Ti" thing of sitting, thinking, smoking a pipe, even starving himself and using drugs to increase his thinking abilities

Normal Sherlock is a charming dude. There are certain types that tend to come across like that.

ISTP is Ti Se Ni Fe and that makes a lot of sense to me
ESTP is Se Ti Fe Ni which also makes a ton of sense

I might say Sher is ESTP and Watson ISFJ.

((BBC Sherlock is an extremely unhealthy mess. Where the hell is his Fe))
So he uses Se instead of Ne, and is based off Doyle's teacher Joseph Bell who could have been INFJ with Se in the 4th, inferior position. So he could be INTJ, or still use Ne to a high degree. The point basically is, and I've considered it extensively with nary a satisfying conclusion or yet, the same ones so far, that it depends on intelligence or IQ. I'm willing to bet he's also actually INTP, just highly intelligent and/or sophisticated. INTJ is a good alternative. But then Moriarty would also be INTJ or ENTJ. Doyle didn't like Sherlock Holmes that much. He just had the foresight to see what things would be like in the future, probably based off a long history of older works preceding it (SH came out in 1887). So it's not like he was just writing extensively about INTPs, his other work is more "Si" oriented.
 
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