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Hey, mythical creatures dont count!@Love of reason: Maybe you're a nice INTP?

Hey, mythical creatures dont count!@Love of reason: Maybe you're a nice INTP?
Hey, mythical creatures dont count!![]()
I knew there was an online test for 'sensitivity' and I've rediscovered the link:
http://www.hsperson.com/pages/test.htm
If you ignore the somewhat new-agey self-help our-book-can-help-you pathologising tone it's worth doing the quiz to see what's catagorised as sensitive.
I have to agree about the impact of beauty. One of the things that hurt me so about much of human effort - the results are so ugly! Beauty by contrast is like oxygen. Life fails without it.
This is where I seem to deviate from the norm in terms of typical INTP "sensitivity". I scored a whooping 4 on that test. Never in recent memory have I felt completely overwhelmed by stimuli in my environment, get startled easily, can't concentrate from stimuli, sensitivity to "food texture" (which I thought was ammusing when brought up), etc. Although it's odd for me when it comes to a specific atmosphere, I'm sensitive to atmosphere of past events when it comes to reminiscing (If sensitivity is even the proper word), but to the current events around me, I tend to be completly oblivious to sensory input in many cases.
I particularly noticed this when my brother (INFJ) and I went to Pitchfork Music Festival in Chicago to chill out and listen to some good tunes. After the thing was said and done, we were discussing the fest among each other and he said he could remember every little detail of the bands, knows the whole set and order of bands, and when hearing a song from the concert, he can clearly remember exactly what was going on during that song at the concert.
This was almost completly oppisite to my typical reminecent experence of the concert as a whole. I don't remember specific sets, order, songs they played, etc... What stuck out in my mind was the atmosphere, the general feeling and emotions that were being communicated while I was there watching them tends to all come back when hearing a song by that band. Is this at all similar to any of you guys? Or am I alone in this camp?
Oh, and a side note, I'm extremely sensitive to music, but more in abstract terms. The general atmosphere, reactions, and emotions music gives off fascinate me to no end, and I'm very grateful to be sensitive to it.
Aynways, Sorry if this is alittle off-topic from the general discussion now, shit, maybe i should read more than the first 3 pages before I respond, o well.
I'm 17 right now and as of the concert which was only a month and a half ago. Anyways, I was seeing what part of development of the INTP this kinda recollection could be attributed to, and my first assumption was the tertiary, Si. So I went to http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/ and found this tidbit of information about Si:
"Sometimes the feeling-tone associated with the recalled image comes into your awareness along with the information itself. Then the image can be so strong, your body responds as if reliving the experience. This could be seen as a source of feelings of nostalgia or longing for the way things were"
Now, what is confusing me is your comment:
"When I read this I remembered that when I was in my teens I went to several concerts and had a very similar experience. That is all but gone now. I hate crowds with a passion. I just can't deal with them anymore. I wonder if it is something that develops with age."
Typical to Myers-Briggs typological theory, the tertiary grows and blossoms with maturity (and I do believe is consciously realized, but not always, in young adulthood and continually grows from there, but of course there will be anomalies).
I'm curious now, at what point did the hate of all things that is crowds come into realization? Any idea as to what triggered it? I'm just assuming it was a gradual thing with no exact pinpoints to show, but eh...
i think the negative part of being at a concert would be the thing i'd remember the most (Loveofreason and NoID10ts hypothetical transcripts). as far as feeling nostalgia, i don't know. if i think of a happy memory, i usually end up becoming depressed that that memory is over and that i'm not experiencing it right now.
@Love of reason: Maybe you're a nice INTP?
I hope she didn't break up with her INTP boyfriend because we INTP's "have issues"!
It doesn't even take a big event like that to get me started down that road. All it takes is a trip to a crowded supermarket.
loveofreason said:Shaz: I'm questioning whether I'm Ni dominant rather than Ti, so your perspective is very welcome.
I relate to the downside of sensitivity, but not the upside that you're relaying. This may be a matter of history and circumstances more than it is a reflection on function preferences though.
spockguy said:I particularly noticed this when my brother (INFJ) and I went to Pitchfork Music Festival in Chicago to chill out and listen to some good tunes. After the thing was said and done, we were discussing the fest among each other and he said he could remember every little detail of the bands, knows the whole set and order of bands, and when hearing a song from the concert, he can clearly remember exactly what was going on during that song at the concert.
I usually tap my fingers on stuff, but not when Im listening to music, then I instintively do weird orchestra-director-like movements with my hands (when noone is looking, that isI'm just going to reply by saying people can easily annoy me. I don't have a large threshold for annoyances. Like my one friend was a drummer. He would always tap his fingers on the table, tap his hands on the steering wheel while driving, and always sings the songs we listen to on his iPod while driving. I can't handle that. I don't like those repetitive sounds, and I can;t stand singing when I'm trying to enjoy the song.
I've never liked crowds, but I would say the intense frustration with them began sometime in my 20's (?). I can't really say. The intense sense of nostalgia you refer to has never left and it can manifest through all sorts of memories.
Are you guys sensitive to non verbal cues? I feel I am. I always say stuff like "oh, so and so looked like he was going to cry" or I feel like I know what people are thinking just by a twitch in their face or a very subtle movement on the face. Some people think I'm delusional about this. How can I know otherwise?
I knew there was an online test for 'sensitivity' and I've rediscovered the link:
http://www.hsperson.com/pages/test.htm
If you ignore the somewhat new-agey self-help our-book-can-help-you pathologising tone it's worth doing the quiz to see what's catagorised as sensitive.
I have to agree about the impact of beauty. One of the things that hurt me so about much of human effort - the results are so ugly! Beauty by contrast is like oxygen. Life fails without it.
I knew there was an online test for 'sensitivity' and I've rediscovered the link:
http://www.hsperson.com/pages/test.htm
If you ignore the somewhat new-agey self-help our-book-can-help-you pathologising tone it's worth doing the quiz to see what's catagorised as sensitive.
I'm definitely sensitive. It takes so long to learn just how 'different' you are from everyone else. I thought I was 'normal' for most of my life... who really knows growing up. I know now that I notice stuff that people don't even register... that things affect me differently.
Stuff like textures of food, clothes, smells. I pick up on little patterns everywhere. I get overwhelmed if a bunch of people are talking.
I seem to have a switch like a circuit breaker... when I'm too overwhelmed it just all turns off.
I'm constantly moving my eyes, picking up on changes... shifting attention.
I pick up changes in other people sometimes, but I'm pretty hopeless to do anything about it.
I might be Aspergers... I don't know. When I'm extremely comfortable, most of this fades away... and I can operate on a level I'm happy with and don't feel like I'm Autistic... but it takes time a long time to get to that point.
When I'm actively seeking sensory input, I want something fairly strong... it's like a novelty. I like going on progressively faster roller coasters... eating spicy foods... simple music starts to bore me... I go for the complex constantly changing sounds...
I don't know if this in INTP though... when I'm operating at my best... and my sensitivities aren't flaring... I still feel like an INTP... just a more capable INTP.