Randomness theory needing speculation.

[Holy shit this makes sens]

I still don't get this, maybe someone can change my mind,

I say randomness is everywhere, many argue everything has a pattern.

I think they mix up "patterns" with 5 dimension. (or more relate them to 5th dimension)

I say things are random, Platipuss! that was semi random cause i used that in a example before, but the point remains i said that with no reason.

Now! People say, oh well if you hadn't been writing about this you wouldnt of used it, the reason for it was an example! yea sure, thats true. But whyed i say platipuss instead of some other word? the word its self is random but it's existents is with reason.

Now you gotta think, that word was random, the bigger picture of its meaning was reasoned. Now ive changed everything in the 5th dimension with respect to platipuss, all my future possible decisions are effected by my biased towards platipuss's which was non existent before this.

The 5th dimension is always changing (future paths/decision effecting those paths)

Randomness?

Last argument and support for this,

Pie! 3.14 there is no set pattern that has been found in pie, but its a constant in mathematics used in equations everywhere, their for it does not change, but does not have a pattern.

Mabey this is contributed to the fact that it is always multiplyed in a equation. And is their for subject to change.

Randomness, am i making points?
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(10th dimension :P)

 

[Bird]

The pattern here is you try to break the pattern.

 

[Holy shit this makes sens]

your overlooking my point again, that was my reason yes. why did i say platipuss opposed to any other word in the English language, thats the randomness.

 

[Bird]

What makes you think you're so special
that uttering, or rather typing, the word
"platipuss" or any word for that matter
is enough to break the pattern?



Let me guess, I'm still overlooking the
point. You do not have to tell me.



But perhaps you trying to break the pattern
is part of the pattern. It doesn't matter
how the effort is made as long as it is made.

 

[Holy shit this makes sens]

NO! look, i did not break the pattern because i tried to be random.

Your saying that i'm saying, "oh Platipuss! their i was random, so i broke the pattern"

Im saying yes i tried to be random, and that was expected but i still said a random word, i even spelled it wrong. i could've said any word but i typed that one.

The fact that i tried to be random is not the point, point is that platipuss was a random word to use, it could've been any other word in human history.

Can you see what i'm trying to say? im open to critic but not till i'm understood.

 

[Bird]

Yes, I see what you're trying to say.
You don't see what I'm trying to say
is the problem here.



How do you know "plattipus" was random?

You don't.


That is what I am getting at.

 

[Holy shit this makes sens]

thats again besides the point, its like hmm..

Random = reason - intention
(reason, why your doing it - intention, why. leaves what you did)


Platipuss = trying to be random - intention(spontaneous word helps prove randomness) whitch leaves platipuss = random

what i think your saying is, I may of said platipuss because in 5th grade someone made a joke about one, and before i wrote the post i was thinking of that, and so it was a word i could that was irrelevent to the topic, their for a good random word. (all of that sub consciously)

I say, that sure their might of been influence on me to use certain words.

BUT, in context of that post, their was no lead up, or relevance to platpuss before it was said. It's like people keep judging from different views. it is within context random, but if related to person who said it, it becomes un-random.

Thats like saying, *situation*
You have a glow stick, when you turn of the lights it looks red, but when you flip them back on it looks white.

So is the glow stick red or white?

It's red when in a dark place

and is white when its in plain light

In context platipuss is random and out of context, its predicted

You look at it from two different sides and see different things.

I said platipuss to prove i can be random, Platipuss has no specific reason. reason i said platipuss in stead of a common word was because platipuss is irrelevant. the fact that i choose it because it was irrelevant, is in fact irrelevant of its porpose. and because it has no specific porpose(anything could be used) it can be called random,

 

[Bird]

I don't think that's the equation for random.

 

[Stoic Beverage]

I don't think platipuss is at all random. If a brilliant supercomputer from the distant future could scan your brain and get a summary of all of your thoughts, I'm sure it could predict that you would say platipuss.

I wouldn't say things in general are random at all. Start out with a singular point of infinite density and infinite smallness. Now, apply the laws of physics as we now know them. Everything between then and the present that has ever happened can be explained, and if sufficient logic and knowledge was present before the event occurred, then it could have been predicted.

The only seemingly random thing is the behavior of things that are alive. Given time, though, I'm sure we'll unlock the secrets of the brain and be able to accurately predict your behavior. We can already do this to an extent, simply by looking at your previous behavior (If you've used "platipuss" as a random word in the past).

If something can be accurately predicted, I do not consider it random.

 

[Jennywocky]

I don't think platipuss is at all random. If a brilliant supercomputer from the distant future could scan your brain and get a summary of all of your thoughts, I'm sure it could predict that you would say platipuss.

I wouldn't say things in general are random at all. Start out with a singular point of infinite density and infinite smallness. Now, apply the laws of physics as we now know them. Everything between then and the present that has ever happened can be explained, and if sufficient logic and knowledge was present before the event occurred, then it could have been predicted.

The only seemingly random thing is the behavior of things that are alive. Given time, though, I'm sure we'll unlock the secrets of the brain and be able to accurately predict your behavior. We can already do this to an extent, simply by looking at your previous behavior (If you've used "platipuss" as a random word in the past).

If something can be accurately predicted, I do not consider it random.

I had a great discussion with my teen INTP son the other week, about "free will" vs predictable behavior. A lot of stuff that seems to be a choice is still being driven by environmental factors. I loved watch the cogs behind his eyes spin around when I dumped that into his brain hopper.

But like you say, this is why we can actually predict behavior to some degree, if we're tapping into the right wellsprings of motivation. Even when people make a decision to change and break away from the patterns of the past, that is still driven by an accumulation of data that led them to make that rational decision. Every decision we make is still based on the person we had become at the time of decision, which is the accumulation of prior choices and knowledge.

Cause and effect.

It's just more complicated than the basic "pool balls" scenario, since not all the data is easily observable, and the processes being used are still somewhat in a black box.

OP: Based on your behavior on this forum since you've been here, your choice of the spelling "platipuss" seems neither random nor unexpected. I might not have predicted you'd choose to misspell "platypus" vs "grey-feathered finch," but your purposeful misspellings of words and misuse of grammar is predictable... it fits your pattern.

If you want to screw with our heads, try using correct spelling for awhile.

 

[Holy shit this makes sens]

I realized i spelled it wrong, but for the sake of keeping my point constant i didn't want to correct,

And infinite keeps ruining my day, I admit defeat, nothing is without explanation.

And i just made up that equation but i think it holds strong.

And i guess ill face it, The universe it self is not random.

Their is no way it cannot exist, the very thought of thinking it exists makes it exist.

Gravity's the shit.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I don't think that's the equation for random.

Lol

This thread is basically determinism vs free will. No point in arguing it because we can't really tell.

 

[Jennywocky]

Their is no way it cannot exist, the very thought of thinking it exists makes it exist.

Some frame exists if you're actually actively able to "think"... (you are "thinking" within a frame of temporal and spatial reference)... but what do you mean by universe?

Gravity's the shit.

What goes up must come down.
Happy landings.

 

[Latro]

Pi fits patterns. People get confused by irrational numbers quite a bit. Its decimal expansion has no pattern, true, but its decimal expansion is only one small part of it as a number. And even though its decimal expansion does not have a pattern, there are infinite series which converge to it, and some of them converge to it quite rapidly. Given that a decimal expansion is really just a special kind of infinite series of the form sum(k=1 to infinity) a_k * 10^-k, where a_k is in {0,1,...,9}, our thinking that these infinite series in particular are so much more important than others is just silly.

One very useful type of infinite sequence for approximating numbers is called continued fractions, which I won't try to describe for lack of ability to describe it. An interesting thing about pi, which is not true for many, many other irrational numbers including sqrt(2) and e, is that its simple continued fraction expansion also appears to have no particular pattern. It jumps around in all sorts of weird ways. Its generalized continued fraction expansion has a regular form, however.

A 5th dimension, as a way of branching the 4th dimension, doesn't really create randomness; it's just a way of considering alternate realities which don't occur on our timeline. Which one we experience is dependent upon a wide variety of factors.

 

[Vrecknidj]

Pi fits patterns.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PiFormulas.html

 

[Vrecknidj]