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Problem with Schrödinger's definition of life.

Creeping Death

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"Erwin Schrödinger defined life as that which resists decaying to disorder and equilibrium."

Did he assume that we (living things) are making order? We can call what we're doing "order" but it could just be as disordered as things we don't classify as life. Order is a human idea. We might not be resisting disorder but causing it.

This could be his way of making sense of life, trying to put life in a separate category from other matter.
 

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He said we're doing disorder. It's entropy. If you're in equilibrium with your environment, you're dead.
 

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forward homeostasis
 

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He seems to be saying that life constitutes a some ordered configuration of matter. If all you have is chaotic, random movement of matter, like a system in full entropy, then you have nothing that can be considered an entity or living thing. I also get it that genes can be considered to be something that survive decay and entropy by repeatedly finding new bodies to carry them. Then only problem I see is that there are things we don't consider alive that fit the criterion, e.g. stones.
 

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Obviously there's some order to it.
 

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Life is, at the very least, a dynamic and persistent system within another system (its environment).

It could be argued that it also needs to be part of, or a biproduct of, a reproductive cycle, though then things get iffy. 99.99% of life is part of the cycle, so it feels silly not to mention, but then you have difficulty distinguishing between sperm and the infertile.
 

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Life is suffering, only things that capable of suffering are alive in a meaningful sense.

Fire consumes energy to sustain itself and reproduce but fire cannot suffer.
 

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Cog is right. he who saves his life will lose it and he who loses his life will gain it.
 

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It's just enforcing the idea of entropy. The real world is variable, uncertain, and "disordered". Yet life functions on stability and "order". Therefore life, in a way, resists the real world.

Order actually serves a subjective purpose. Human "order" usually causes "disorder" for other things (deforestation for more buildings, pollution for more energy). So while humans want order for themselves, they enforce/output disorder at the same time.

So while disorder and chaos can't be dispelled completely, life functions on making order for itself.
 

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Life is entropy, the food you eat has more chemical energy that the shit you excrete, by living we convert stored energy to heat, we are entropy incarnate.
 
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