Kormak
The IT barbarian - eNTP - 6w7-4-8 so/sx
e_e where do I start? I saw this terrible thread here where ppl were refering to Fe as PoLR.. which has annoyed me deeply..
Disclaimer: I have looked into both typology systems for over a decade, analized both systems, so I know my shit and won't accept any criticism on this matter, just so we are clear. Your opinion on the subject does not concern me. With this post I'm setting thre record straight in an attempt to contribute something valuable to the forum. Now, to the task at hand...
A lot if "INTPs" have this distaste for Fe, which is off considering Fe is a conscious function that is complementary to the INTP's primary function Ti. It is why your Function stack is Ti Ne Si Fe. You are supposed to respond well to Fe, because it mobalizes you. INTJs on the other hand have a preference for Fi and Se mobalizes them. In MBTI its very common to see INTJs mistype as INTP due to the emphasis on easy to sell simplified dichotomies, such as J-P.
Description of the most vulnerable function aka the point of least resistance or PoLR - is a painful or sensitive function. The element in this function creates a feeling of frustration and inadequacy. A person does not understand the importance of this element entirely, and it can easily lead to painful consequences if not adequately considered. To directly engage this function creates feelings of insecurity and distress. It is quite literally your point of least resistance, your kryptonite.
Your first 4 functions are coscious functions. Two of these are strong and 2 are weak and complementary. The other 4 functions are subconscious and similarly 2 are strong and 2 are weak and complementary. Subnconscious functions are not valued.
The PoLR of INTP is Se - aka extroverted sensing , your 10 yo Si's even shittier version
The PoLR of INTJ is Fe - aka extroverted feeling, your 10 yo Fi's even shittier version
A note on Se in socionics. Since its a percieving function that deals with external physical environment the focus is on how having it as a preference impacts the individual psychologically, which is why you'll hear stuff like " Se includes the ability to know how much power, force, or influence is latent or required. Types that value Se are much more comfortable with direct behavior aimed at making an immediate impact. " e_e like gymnastics, riding a motorbike, hand to hand combat, being physically intimidating & commanding. It differs from MBTI descriptions, but is esentially the same.
Se PoLR for INTP - The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood. He tends to avoid intruding on others' space or engaging in behavior that may be perceived as coercive, and tries hard to handle his needs by being disciplined and well-prepared himself - rather than relying on others to do things for him. If these strategies fail, his efforts at dealing with the resulting conflict make him look actively pushy in a way that appears awkward and unnatural to others. This opens him up to painful criticism and feelings of weakness and helplessness.
He is able to moralize and instruct others about what they should do and why, but he is not prepared for others' active resistance or refusal to do as he says. In his mind, this would require him to put aside reason and good feelings and simply make the other person do what is necessary. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to do.
You are basically Bruce Banner and the Hulk in one. The ketchup principle applies here... either nothing comes out or ketchup spills all over the place.
Fe PoLR for INTJ - The individual tries hard to never let himself "come apart at the seams" emotionally or even let out strong feelings publicly, because displays of passion do not come naturally and make him feel self-consciousness and vulnerable to painful criticism. This makes the individual generally seem emotionally neutral and politely indifferent to excitement and agitation around him. The individual deeply dislikes attempts by others to get him to "cheer up" or "join the fun", especially in the context of group activities with loud emotional expression. The individual is often unconfident and uneasy in social settings, especially those in which the expectation is to abide by social conventions that he has little connection to such as tribesmanship or purposeless joviality.
INTJ tend to regard the development of trust with others with significant anxiety, fearing that their inner world or antisocial tendencies will be unfavorably looked upon by others, and that most of the good will and friendliness they see in others is a pretense of social interaction rather than an expression of genuine emotional reactions. Often they eschew many social situations and neglect emotional association with groups, instead seeking deep emotional connections with individuals. (Fi preference)
I think Fe PolR is kinda self explanatory:
To contrast the above PolR functions, I will now describe INTP's Fe and INTJ's Se
INTP's Fe - INTPs are usually lacking in outward emotional energy. They may typically seem stiff, cold, rational, unresponsive to emotional concerns, and overly formal in social settings. INTPs may feel uneasy and insecure about their adaptability to social situations. They appreciate the interactive efforts of others to make them feel comfortable, at ease, and a part of the group. They tend to liven up in situations of amusement and conviviality. In situations where they feel comfortable and unconditionally accepted, they may drop their tendency towards aloofness and engage in uncharacteristic silliness. <== INTPs in contrast to INTJs apreciate Fe a LOT and are in fact mobalized by it.
INTPs may be highly sensitive to the signs of emotional approval that they receive from others. They may be highly appreciative of displays of emotional warmth and friendliness. They may find normative emotional expectations placed on them to be stifling, and tend to prefer nonjudgmental environments without character scrutiny. Additionally, for fear of emotional reprisal, LIIs often tend to be rather noncritical of others' actions.
INTJ's Se - INTJs are often characterized by their inertia. If left to their own devices, they may choose to do relatively little to interact with the outside world. When they do interact with the outside world, INTJs often find their activities to be empty and unfulfilling. To INTJs, life is often characterized by periods of stimulation. For the INTJ, however, true stimulation is often spontaneous, and interludes between periods of stimulation are often characterized by tedium, inertia, and apathy. They are often not very adept at finding new areas of interest, and may seek to continue to reproduce past experiences instead of moving on to new things. In order to break out of this cycle, they require an outside stimulus of spontaneity and activity. With such a degree of spontaneity introduced into their lives, the tedium and perceived meaninglessness is replaced by a constant state of activity in which the INTJ can experience new things and escape from the confines of his own mind. <== INTJs are energised by Se.
Disclaimer: I have looked into both typology systems for over a decade, analized both systems, so I know my shit and won't accept any criticism on this matter, just so we are clear. Your opinion on the subject does not concern me. With this post I'm setting thre record straight in an attempt to contribute something valuable to the forum. Now, to the task at hand...
A lot if "INTPs" have this distaste for Fe, which is off considering Fe is a conscious function that is complementary to the INTP's primary function Ti. It is why your Function stack is Ti Ne Si Fe. You are supposed to respond well to Fe, because it mobalizes you. INTJs on the other hand have a preference for Fi and Se mobalizes them. In MBTI its very common to see INTJs mistype as INTP due to the emphasis on easy to sell simplified dichotomies, such as J-P.
Description of the most vulnerable function aka the point of least resistance or PoLR - is a painful or sensitive function. The element in this function creates a feeling of frustration and inadequacy. A person does not understand the importance of this element entirely, and it can easily lead to painful consequences if not adequately considered. To directly engage this function creates feelings of insecurity and distress. It is quite literally your point of least resistance, your kryptonite.
Your first 4 functions are coscious functions. Two of these are strong and 2 are weak and complementary. The other 4 functions are subconscious and similarly 2 are strong and 2 are weak and complementary. Subnconscious functions are not valued.
The PoLR of INTP is Se - aka extroverted sensing , your 10 yo Si's even shittier version
The PoLR of INTJ is Fe - aka extroverted feeling, your 10 yo Fi's even shittier version
A note on Se in socionics. Since its a percieving function that deals with external physical environment the focus is on how having it as a preference impacts the individual psychologically, which is why you'll hear stuff like " Se includes the ability to know how much power, force, or influence is latent or required. Types that value Se are much more comfortable with direct behavior aimed at making an immediate impact. " e_e like gymnastics, riding a motorbike, hand to hand combat, being physically intimidating & commanding. It differs from MBTI descriptions, but is esentially the same.
Se PoLR for INTP - The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood. He tends to avoid intruding on others' space or engaging in behavior that may be perceived as coercive, and tries hard to handle his needs by being disciplined and well-prepared himself - rather than relying on others to do things for him. If these strategies fail, his efforts at dealing with the resulting conflict make him look actively pushy in a way that appears awkward and unnatural to others. This opens him up to painful criticism and feelings of weakness and helplessness.
He is able to moralize and instruct others about what they should do and why, but he is not prepared for others' active resistance or refusal to do as he says. In his mind, this would require him to put aside reason and good feelings and simply make the other person do what is necessary. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to do.
You are basically Bruce Banner and the Hulk in one. The ketchup principle applies here... either nothing comes out or ketchup spills all over the place.
Fe PoLR for INTJ - The individual tries hard to never let himself "come apart at the seams" emotionally or even let out strong feelings publicly, because displays of passion do not come naturally and make him feel self-consciousness and vulnerable to painful criticism. This makes the individual generally seem emotionally neutral and politely indifferent to excitement and agitation around him. The individual deeply dislikes attempts by others to get him to "cheer up" or "join the fun", especially in the context of group activities with loud emotional expression. The individual is often unconfident and uneasy in social settings, especially those in which the expectation is to abide by social conventions that he has little connection to such as tribesmanship or purposeless joviality.
INTJ tend to regard the development of trust with others with significant anxiety, fearing that their inner world or antisocial tendencies will be unfavorably looked upon by others, and that most of the good will and friendliness they see in others is a pretense of social interaction rather than an expression of genuine emotional reactions. Often they eschew many social situations and neglect emotional association with groups, instead seeking deep emotional connections with individuals. (Fi preference)
I think Fe PolR is kinda self explanatory:
To contrast the above PolR functions, I will now describe INTP's Fe and INTJ's Se
INTP's Fe - INTPs are usually lacking in outward emotional energy. They may typically seem stiff, cold, rational, unresponsive to emotional concerns, and overly formal in social settings. INTPs may feel uneasy and insecure about their adaptability to social situations. They appreciate the interactive efforts of others to make them feel comfortable, at ease, and a part of the group. They tend to liven up in situations of amusement and conviviality. In situations where they feel comfortable and unconditionally accepted, they may drop their tendency towards aloofness and engage in uncharacteristic silliness. <== INTPs in contrast to INTJs apreciate Fe a LOT and are in fact mobalized by it.
INTPs may be highly sensitive to the signs of emotional approval that they receive from others. They may be highly appreciative of displays of emotional warmth and friendliness. They may find normative emotional expectations placed on them to be stifling, and tend to prefer nonjudgmental environments without character scrutiny. Additionally, for fear of emotional reprisal, LIIs often tend to be rather noncritical of others' actions.
INTJ's Se - INTJs are often characterized by their inertia. If left to their own devices, they may choose to do relatively little to interact with the outside world. When they do interact with the outside world, INTJs often find their activities to be empty and unfulfilling. To INTJs, life is often characterized by periods of stimulation. For the INTJ, however, true stimulation is often spontaneous, and interludes between periods of stimulation are often characterized by tedium, inertia, and apathy. They are often not very adept at finding new areas of interest, and may seek to continue to reproduce past experiences instead of moving on to new things. In order to break out of this cycle, they require an outside stimulus of spontaneity and activity. With such a degree of spontaneity introduced into their lives, the tedium and perceived meaninglessness is replaced by a constant state of activity in which the INTJ can experience new things and escape from the confines of his own mind. <== INTJs are energised by Se.