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People tell me I'm a "feeler". But I type as an INTP.

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Only online though. I get in to debates or discussions on other INTP groups, and I guess because of my lack of ability to convey my thoughts, I get called a feeler. In real life, people tell me I'm lacking emotion and ambition, and that I'm robotic. I maintain the same demeanor and do not outwardly show what I'm feeling.

I have feelings, obviously everyone does. And I'm fairly sensitive, and usually dislike conflict. But the types that exhibit these as their main traits don't jive with me.

I feel it may be because of my anxiety disorder. I'm self conscious, yet too lazy or stressed to fix what I deem people may feel negatively about me. I cling to the idea that "nothing matters and I don't care" but at the same time I do. It's really weird, and I often tell myself I'm not being logical. I "know" what logical is, but sometimes I act against it.

I've studied the cognative functions, and INTP seems most like me. ISTP is close.

Traits I exhibit that make me think I'm more than likely an INTP is laziness, procrastination, always thinking, I love the facts, and the how's and why's, the big picture frustrates me when i don't have an understanding of the details. I dig really deep when I'm fascinated with something. I often think so much I can't piece things back together easily in my head because I trail off.

But the traits I exhibit that I feel contradict INTP are my sensitivity and bodily changes when I'm stressed or upset, the need to fit in and follow trends because I can't think for myself because I'm not very opinionated and very open. I have a lot of sensor traits too, like being mechanical, taking things apart to understand their inner workings. Believing only what I can touch and see for the most part.

What's really conflicting is I generally don't like people, I like to be alone. I don't care about their opinions, yet I enjoy praise and being accepted​ and loved, but I don't absolutely strive for it because at the end of the day I feel it doesn't matter. I'm very intimidated by people above me though, and often feel worthless and dumb even though I have above average intelligence.

Do I seem like a feeler? INFP, ISFP? I've typed ISFP before, but I've been in a group with them and it's too much for me. All artsy and while I'm a musicians and enjoy art, I don't care to talk about it much at all.

I don't know, that's all I got.
 

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Found the teenager.

You sound like a mixed bag.

Figure out what your strengths are and work from there.
 
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Found the teenager.

You sound like a mixed bag.

Figure out what your strengths are and work from there.
Thanks, but I'm 25. Words and expression are not my strength, so maybe I come off as a bit younger.

But mixed bag might be accurate. I feel neutral is more like it though.
 

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So, what are you basing all of this on? You speak of "traits", etc.
 
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So, what are you basing all of this on? You speak of "traits", etc.
Comparing what I've read and learned about the different cognative functions to how I think, act, and do things. Maybe traits isn't the best word.
 
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Do you feel like a thinker?
Nice one. But yes, I guess I do 'feel' like a thinker.



This the latest test. Been awhile since I've taken the 16personalities one, but I believe I typed the same, but I never saw the percentages. Notice the borderline T and F. That's the part I'm not understanding about myself. This happens on pretty much any test I take.
 

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[FONT=&quot]I have a friend who had a similar issue. We've mutually decided that she is a feeler, however, since she values compassion over objectivity and, although logical and intelligent, she primarily thinks through the lens of her feelings and her internally based ethics.
(+We sometimes clash moral Vs. rational in conversation.)

Try this test, it might give more insight into your probable order and dominance of functions:

http://similarminds.com/classic_jung.html
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-Perhaps post the result of that one if you want this forum's opinion.

Also this one here is really very useful. It breaks down your personality and shows your dominant character traits as well as your statistical likeliness to be any one of the 16 types:

https://www.truity.com/test/type-finder-facets
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[FONT=&quot]"The following chart shows how well your responses match to each of the 16 personality types. Your personality type is not necessarily the type with the highest match score, especially if several scores are close. However, the higher the match score, the more likely that you'll feel that a particular personality type profile describes you well. If you're trying to determine your personality type, it's a good idea to read over full descriptions for the 2-3 types that have the highest match score."

-You might also test as a type different to your own because the questions are sometimes too black and white and force you into making a decision when you really can't decide, or you might be answering idealistically rather than realistically.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

So, you see, your type isn't necessarily how you test. Especially if you test as a 'borderline' case.
If in doubt, best to read the character descriptions carefully, learn how the functions work, perhaps try to view yourself from an objective perspective, or from someone else's perspective, then make an informed decision for yourself.


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I tend to have a large component of "fuzzy" in my approach, even if my thinking feels very clear internally -- I take a lot of things into consideration. to put it into MBTI terms, you have a range from your hardcore Ti thinkers who dismiss more relational or "potential" concerns completely, to the other end which sees some rational value in such things and also tends to see a lot more possibilities versus discounting them early. While the "24 types of INTPs" isn't really a valid typological approach in MBTI, it does reinforce the notion of 'different flavors' for the same "kind" of person depending on what aspects are emphasized in their perceiving/deciding processes... so I think the concept is useful.

People also develop more skill based on life experiences with things they weren't naturally good with, so that can be as confusing as well. Evaluating oneself at age 25, 35, or 50 might not necessarily reflect the initial starting point for a particular person; over life, we develop new skill sets to bring about the best resolutions to problems we encounter.

For me, it mostly came down with "When I hang out with INTPs and INFPs, who do I relate to more instinctively and what irritates me more?" and "When push comes to shove, when I make a decision, what is it based on and what am I comfortable basing it on?" I find when I make decisions on values with less rational basis, I feel worse and less secure about the decision, than if it I make it mainly on impersonal logic... even if I still have "feelings" about it. I still do prioritize one over the other. I don't feel nearly as secure with values, although i've had to weigh them into my decision making when it comes to personal things like life satisfaction.

In general, I think it doesn't even matter much what type others think you are, or determining what specific type you are if you understand yourself; one of the main problems to me is when someone else expects a particular response from you based on a misunderstanding of your type...i.e., it can lead others to draw wrong conclusions or make wrong assumptions, which can then impact a situation.
 

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In general, I think it doesn't even matter much what type others think you are, or determining what specific type you are if you understand yourself; one of the main problems to me is when someone else expects a particular response from you based on a misunderstanding of your type...i.e., it can lead others to draw wrong conclusions or make wrong assumptions, which can then impact a situation.
Yes, I agree this is true.

To add, it sounds like you've been bullied for not conforming to people's perceptions of the INTP stereotype.

My previous post was to iron out any doubt you might have regarding your type (I'll admit that I'm obsessive and fussy, and like to test everything from as many possible angles before drawing a conclusion. That's just me, however).

Also, to clarify, my friend who I illustrated, never thought of herself in terms of either thinking or feeling, and always gets borderline results (either way).
It took a while to determine her type, because she could build a strong case for each, and seems to have reasonably balanced L-R hemisphere dominance.
However, her core motivations are distinctly toward others.
She just got a new job as a psychiatric nurse and complains about the 'lack of compassion' of her colleges. I really admire her, actually, for defending patient's rights at work.
I understand, yet don't feel that same fire.
Yet we're pretty habitually similar; both private and avoidant (we both actually have anxiety issues too) and she is able to converse about anything, no-matter how abstruse.
-Also, we're both cynical and sarcastic, and we've had a running joke for many years about Cthulhu. :cthulhu:

We're friends. We know each other well enough to understand our differences and similarities...

However, the internet is a vast ocean of anonymity...
Nobody truly knows each other online. It would be foolhardy to assume anything about anybody or to attempt to MBTI type somebody based purely from the manner in which they type in a forum.
How difficult would it be for an intelligent, rational dyslexic to put themselves across in a forum situation?

Also, despite perhaps other's opinions and personal bias, no MBTI type is any better or worse than any other. They simply show different preferences.

We're all different, genetically and experientially.
MBTI does not account for everything.




 

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Values are a product of your environment, culture, and nurturing. Making decisions based on values makes you a slave to your environment. The main purpose of Fe types is to be a slave to the herd.

When considering Ti and Fi; true freedom of choice and independence comes only from rational thought or by altering your values to be inconsistent with norm but to be consistent within yourself. A person could do both but perhaps one is more important to them.
 

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How easily offended or hurt are you? Feelers, especially INFPs, tend to be hurt by everything.
 

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Probably INFJ overusing Ti due to HSP, as is the norm 'round these places.
 
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[FONT=&quot]I have a friend who had a similar issue. We've mutually decided that she is a feeler, however, since she values compassion over objectivity and, although logical and intelligent, she primarily thinks through the lens of her feelings and her internally based ethics.
(+We sometimes clash moral Vs. rational in conversation.)

Try this test, it might give more insight into your probable order and dominance of functions:

http://similarminds.com/classic_jung.html
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-Perhaps post the result of that one if you want this forum's opinion.

Also this one here is really very useful. It breaks down your personality and shows your dominant character traits as well as your statistical likeliness to be any one of the 16 types:

https://www.truity.com/test/type-finder-facets
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[FONT=&quot]"The following chart shows how well your responses match to each of the 16 personality types. Your personality type is not necessarily the type with the highest match score, especially if several scores are close. However, the higher the match score, the more likely that you'll feel that a particular personality type profile describes you well. If you're trying to determine your personality type, it's a good idea to read over full descriptions for the 2-3 types that have the highest match score."

-You might also test as a type different to your own because the questions are sometimes too black and white and force you into making a decision when you really can't decide, or you might be answering idealistically rather than realistically.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

So, you see, your type isn't necessarily how you test. Especially if you test as a 'borderline' case.
If in doubt, best to read the character descriptions carefully, learn how the functions work, perhaps try to view yourself from an objective perspective, or from someone else's perspective, then make an informed decision for yourself.


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Sorry I just got around to taking these.

https://imgur.com/a/i4hSV

The Truity one I scored 67% INTP (the highest one) and 64% INFP (second highest one)

The Similar Minds I scored INTP, but the results still seem borderline. See the picture for reference.

I'm not trying to fit in as an INTP, I don't feel it's any better than any other type, but personally I want to strive to be logical and objective while still understanding emotions and when a gut feeling could be beneficial.

I think I straddle the T/F because I'm sensitive. But I know I am, and I try my best to mitigate it and be objective. I realize typing isn't so much as what you want, but what you actually do. So if I'm outwardly an INFP, that's cool, but I'm pretty sure no one would type me as one in real life.

I appreciate all the responses but right now I'm on my phone and responding to everyone would be a huge pain.
 

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[FONT=&quot]Your functions are slightly unusual according to the results of the Jungian test. Such a high Si.

It's cool to type as INTP if that's the type which fits best your character (as I said, on the internet, nobody knows anyone so should never presume anything about who that person really is).
+It's also cool to type INxP if you really think/feel multiple types apply. -Some identify as a mixed type.

Regardless, just be yourself. Don't stress yourself over other people's opinions ;)

In the words of Shakespeare:
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Polonius: This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man.



 
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I think it depends on how you internally process your emotions and how it's affected by your outside environments. I used to be typed as an INFP when I was a little younger mainly because I was still growing and vulnerable to my experiences. I think with INTPs the emotional process is more inward and it's hidden in plain-sight. There is an analytical and observant nature regarding our emotions that I think is not strong in INFPs. INFPs are more focused on empathy and extending that emotional nature to others while INTP's prefer to reflect on these emotions and analyze them through an objective viewpoint.. just my 2 cents.

Of course there is a more cerebral and detached feel from the INTP too.. take your pick.

I don't know who you are. You don't seem to know who you are. You need some self-reflection and introspection.
 
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From your description, I am pretty sure you are an INTP.

I am friends with three INFP males, one INFJ male, and one ISTP male. My father is an ISFP and my brother is an ISTJ. My female best friend is an INFP and my mother was an INFP also. Your description of yourself does not sound like any of the types above I know and am closely related to.

You are, however, just like my male INTP best friend. I, also being an INTP, can relate to some of the stuff you are saying also.


lack of ability to convey my thoughts
This is definitely and INTP trait. Because we have dominant Ti which focuses our thinking inward, it is hard for us to explain or express our thoughts/thinking. My INTP friend has a hard time explaining his thinking (about why something can work or why something should be designed a certain way) in my robotics club while both INFPs (who have Te/extroverted thinking) can explain their designs easily. Us INTPs are very visual and intuitive thinkers and our ideas come to us in impressions and visions that are hard to explain or put into words.

I maintain the same demeanor and do not outwardly show what I'm feeling.
This is definitely an inferior Fe trait. Our extroverted feeling is our weakest function and we do not feel the need to express our emotions very often. We often feel "nothing" or "neutral" and this usually expressed by having a very stable outward demeanor.

And I'm fairly sensitive, and usually dislike conflict
This is definitely an INTP trait too. Our Fe, although weak, makes us like harmony and peace. We also dislike dealing with the negative emotions (especially in other people) that come with conflict.

anxiety disorder. I'm self conscious, yet too lazy or stressed to fix what I deem people may feel negatively about me. I cling to the idea that "nothing matters and I don't care" but at the same time I do. It's really weird, and I often tell myself I'm not being logical. I "know" what logical is, but sometimes I act against it.
Again, inferior Fe is to blame. Because we are not good in social situations, we tend to have issues with anxiety. Fe also makes us care about "fitting in" but more for acceptance reasons than for being liked by people. Also, we are human and humans are illogical. We will do illogical things at times because we are not robots and we do have emotional influence.

sensitivity and bodily changes when I'm stressed or upset
This is our tertiary Si acting up. We are probably the most sensing of the intuitives as we possess introverted sensing. The Jungian interpretation of the functions says that you are conscious of your functions that match your dominant introverted or extroverted tendency. Because we are introverted, our conscious funtions are Ti and Si. This is why we often remember facts and details well. Si also controls being aware of your bodily state. INTPs tend to have issues sometimes with unawareness of pain or bodily needs as our Ti often overpowers it. Another downside is that our anxiety tends to be manifested in a physical manner. My INTP friend actually starts twitching and his stomach acts up. I get shaky, nauseous, and will (in extreme cases) start throwing up.

the need to fit in and follow trends because I can't think for myself because I'm not very opinionated and very open
This could be a manifestation of inferior Fe. Although INTPs generally like to rebel from societal norms, we do follow some so that we can pass unnoticed or blend in. The extent of this probably depends on the culture where you live.

I have a lot of sensor traits too, like being mechanical, taking things apart to understand their inner workings. Believing only what I can touch and see for the most part.
Again, INTPs have higher conscious Si so we are more "sensor like" than INTJs or ENTPs. I think that Ne can too play a part of wanting to understand systems and how parts work together. My INTP friend likes taking apart machines, fixing them, and putting them back together. He even builds his own too.

I generally don't like people, I like to be alone. I don't care about their opinions, yet I enjoy praise and being accepted​ and loved, but I don't absolutely strive for it because at the end of the day I feel it doesn't matter.
Again, this is our Fe manifesting as a need to be accepted even though our Ti makes us independent and sort of reclusive.

I'm very intimidated by people above me though, and often feel worthless and dumb even though I have above average intelligence.
INTPs sometimes have issues with feeling worthless if we are not best at the talents we actually care about. We also tend to have low self-esteem a lot.

I'm a musicians and enjoy art, I don't care to talk about it much at all.
INTPs do tend to like music and art. My INTP friend and I are both highly involved in band and jazz band. We both were in art classes. I think our Ne is responsible for our creative tendencies.
 

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Seems like a feeler dominant type to me.

I’ve noticed that F’s want to be T’s a lot more often than T’s want to be F’s. I think that’s what’s going on here.

Western culture paints “feeling” in a bad light. It is quite unfair, it should be treated with equal value.

Personally, it was quite easy for me to know I am not a feeler type. Most of the time I don’t know what or how I feel about something until I actually concentrate and focus on it. I reckon that if there is a lot of ambiguitity, you just may be over analysing (percieving dominant maybe) or in denial.
 
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