Ni-Dom Anger

[Sparrow]

Meh, Adymus has mentioned it numerous times: "Ni-dom Anger". Meh, this probably applies more towards INFJs...

I'll just talk a little bit about it...if I can. I don't know if it's the same for most Ni-doms but...yeah...we have notorious tempers. Some celebrity examples: Mel Gibson (INFJ), Christian Bale (INTJ), Russell Crowe (INFJ), Alec Baldwin (INFJ), Kid Rock (INFJ), Sean Penn (INFJ). These guys can go batshit crazy insane.

I don't even know if my anger is a byproduct of my depression, if what I'm experiencing is really depression and not just...rage or whatever....something like that. I can rationalize. I know what triggers my anger. I know what causes it. I see the root. But I can't stop the stems from growing. All I feel is rage. When this happens, I lose it. Any sense of logic, rational...dead. I don't physically harm anyone...I never do...but it's just this intense rage. At first I'm angry at the source...then I'm angry at the world. I take it out on everyone. It doesn't matter who you are. I take my anger out on my mother, my father, my loved ones. Anyone.

We are mature yet powerless in the beginning. It's what drives us. It inspires us to great feats in almost every outlet you can imagine. Ni-doms are born artists, revolutionaries, empire-builders.

See, at all times, we have a vision, a goal, a "worldview" as Adymus calls it. It is indeed a great asset for long-range planning...I can see further into the future than most other types care to...I don't know about INTPs...but I'm assuming that your tomorrow is about as far as you're willing to take your visions. And perhaps your yesterday is as far back as you're willing to delve into your past.

Ni is indeed futuristic. I probably can't describe it well...it's hard to describe it...but it's not a "God-function" like Adymus describes it. Yeah, it can be awesome, but it's also a pain in the ass. All I see is "what could be"...I plan 10 years into the future. I have it all figured out. One little screwup...and my plan is foiled. Dead. Goodbye. Try something new.

Meh, it is in fact a common worldview for INFJs to incorporate social injustices, racial discrimination, whatever. We notice them. We notice most things others miss. We're always scheming and planning. Hell, Adymus can theorize all he wants but he doesn't have Ni. His reality is completely different from ours: It's all speculation. The same way I'll never see life through an INTPs eyes.

Anyways, the past couple of months I've had a chance to talk to Adymus's Pod'lair partner Thomas. The guy is very knowledgeable, knows what he's talking about. The terminology they use is different from MBTI and the system has correlations to MBTI but it is more complete. I have some transcripts of conversations, questions etc. between us so if anyone's interested I can send some of them via PM or E-mail. Obviously, I'll edit some of the personal stuff.

I'm done XD. Thanks for listening.

 

[Cognisant]

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[Oblivious]

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[Cognisant]

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[shoeless]

...back to the thread:

I don't know about INTPs...but I'm assuming that your tomorrow is about as far as you're willing to take your visions. And perhaps your yesterday is as far back as you're willing to delve into your past.

i wouldn't say that nah.
i think about the future all the time. the difference, i believe, between Ne and Ni, is that Ni is more future-planning down to the last little detail and Ne is all about exploring the possibilities.
there's a thousand things that could happen, a thousand things that could change in the next year or even the next few days that could completely throw my future "plans" off track. i recognize that, and i embrace it. and i allow for the flexibility of these things, and rather than proactively trying to arrange my future i flow with the chaos and entertain myself by thinking about what could happen.

and perhaps that is the source of the Ni's anger and frustration. when your plans go wrong, as they are likely to do, it triggers that "rage". i don't necessarily think this is normal or even healthy behavior for an Ni-dom, and, in fact, it might be a symptom of some underdevelopment. but that might be just what it is.

so, yeah.

 

[dreamoftheunknown]

i wouldn't say that nah.
i think about the future all the time. the difference, i believe, between Ne and Ni, is that Ni is more future-planning down to the last little detail and Ne is all about exploring the possibilities.
there's a thousand things that could happen, a thousand things that could change in the next year or even the next few days that could completely throw my future "plans" off track. i recognize that, and i embrace it. and i allow for the flexibility of these things, and rather than proactively trying to arrange my future i flow with the chaos and entertain myself by thinking about what could happen.

Indeed. I don't think it's that INTP's don't look into the future or don't look that far. When I was 10 years old, I planned out the next 16 years of my life. I didn't plan it out in great detail, just made a general plan of where I wanted to go. I ended up changing the plan 10 years later, but I was able to change my plan because I had allowed for the likelihood that either I or the world would change. I think that's the difference between Ni-doms and INTP's. I made very long-term plans for only myself, and I allowed for the possibility that I would want to follow a different path. Ni's seem to have the whole world and its future planned out and in great detail and with a certain degree of rigidity. The rage comes from not being able to shape the world according the Ni's worldview (read, "If only they could all see... but they don't! They won't!"). But don't get me wrong, INTP's are not without rage - all you have to do is peruse this forum, and you'll see many examples. Speaking for myself, I can say that it stems from a general frustration with the logical inconsistencies and fallacious reasoning I find in others. If I can tell someone that his/her logic is flawed and he/she accepts the logic, then it's cool. But if that person refuses to listen to reason, repeatedly rejects my logic without pointing out flaws in it, then the rage comes. If my logic is flawed and is rejected, that's one thing (and appropriate). But if they can find no flaw and dogmatically reject it, anyway, it's almost like they're are rejecting me. And sometimes, I can hear myself thinking, "They refuse to see. They just refuse." Now, one person is one thing, but INTP's see it all the time and everywhere, in their everyday interactions and in the larger context of society and the world. It bothers me from time to time. I get frustrated with the whole world, and the frustration can turn to rage. The way that I deal is to effectively retreat from the world. To just stop observing for a little while and work on something completely internal for a while until I'm not so bothered, anymore. Ti is a compass function, but it can also act as a worldview.