New user (obviously) in need of consultancy

[Emil-san]

Hello guys (and girls). I want to start off by saying that I'm not sure if I'm an INTP at all, which is why I'm here, really. It sounds confusing, but I'll explain from the beginning.

I first found out about these types of personalities, and the test used for determining them, a couple years ago. I was linked from a thread on a tricking website, Trickstutorials (irrelevant, probably) When I did it, I got ESTJ.

I didn't think much about that (mostly because I didn't know what it meant), until a few years later (about 3 months ago) when the subject came up again on the same website. I did the test again, and got ENFP this time. The results confused me, because I remembered what I got the last time I did it. So i started some digging, reading about the different types etc. I still didn't identify myself with any of the ones I got, not much, at least. Which confused me even more. But I still saw everything as kind of.. like.. random, and not too serious, like a facebook quiz.

But then, when we hade kind of a "psychology" hour in biology class (human behaviour and stuff like that, always interested me) and I realised that it was accurate and serious (apologies for probably not finding the appropriate adjectives, english is not my first language). We did the test again, and I got INTJ this time. After checking out INTJ characteristics, I started thinking about WHY i got so vastly different results. I came up with a little idea that I might have imagined different situations, or the same situations differently (considered more possibilities, involving any hypothetical other persons emotions etc. Basically viewed from a different angle) every time I did the test (mind you, this is just my theory, I can't remember everything from a couple years back). So I read about EVERY types characteristics, trying to see which one I identified with the most. I realised that I don't really identify with anyone, but still with everyone.

The one I felt most attracted to was this one though (INTP), which is why I came here for help. Since then, I've made many other, more specific personality tests. For example, I did a only extroversion/introversion test. Imagine my suprise when I got the results "Congratulations, you are an ambivert". This probably explains a lot, I thought. For one, why I got extremely high on the Interpersonal and linguistic "intelligences" in the multi intelligence test (on mypersonality.info) while I got the type INTP on the personality test on the same site. Perhaps the questions where phrased differently in the tests, causing responses in my extrovert side in one of them, and my introvert in the other.

So, my theory is that I'm almost "ambi" in every cathegory of the test. Smack dab in the middle between introvert and extrovert, sensing and intuitive (though slightly more intuitive) thinking and feeling (though slightly more thinking), perceptive and judgemental. (though slightly more perceptive) (The "slightly more" sides probably explains why I'm more drawn to this, INTP)

I should probably explain how this correlates to the "real-world me". I have many friends, and I like social situations. But they make me exhausted, and I'd rather spend time with a few, close friends. I'm very introspective at times, but when I set my mind to it, I'm really good at observing details, sensing emotions, notice peoples clothing and so on. But the emotions I observe, I don't generally care about, due to my thinking side. Unless they evoke my empathy or guilt, which are incredibly strong in me, which indicate that my feeling side is also pretty strong. I make sure to dress elegantly and appropriately, because I want people to notice me. I'm a good conversationalist, but conversations tend to bore me, especially with stupid people, who I have a hard time being around. I really care how I look, I'm pretty athletic and popular in school and so. Everyone tend to call me critical and cynical though, but sometimes they think I'm really happy and outgoing. I live for useless facts and stuff like that, I have a vivid imagination, and I'm generally pretty distracted. I do enjoy order though, somewhat, my bookshelf is neat, and books are arranged by size and genre. But when it gets "too much" (like on my computer desktop), everything turns into a cluttered mess.

When I now read what I've written about my jumbled personality, I'm starting to realise why I can identify with no one, and everyone at the same time. Also why I always try to be as objective as I can (ooooften questioning my own standpoints as well as my "opponents", for example)

So what do you all think about me? Do I deserve to be here? Should I be put in the psychiatric ward? What/Who am I really? Anyone have any useful tips or advice? Is there anyone else like me? Or do you just want to say hello and welcome, I'd be fine with that, too. (Wow, what a horribly long introduction, now you guys probably know more about me than anyone else in the world, including my parents, and best friends ect.)

Please excuse any spelling errors and similar.

Love, Emil

 

[AlisaD]

Hello. Welcome.

Screw the tests, you seem nice, so I'd love it if you'd stick around.

 

[RubberDucky451]

You may be an ENTP or an INTP, they're both very similar. ENTP also uses Ne over Ti.

I would stick around, see if you fit in, then go from there. Most INTPs will also agree that they feel they don't even fit in on this board. So it's all up to you.

 

[Emil-san]

Hello. Welcome.

Screw the tests, you seem nice, so I'd love it if you'd stick around.

Yes, yes, thanks.

It's not that I feel insecure BECAUSE of the tests, rather that... I don't really know. I guess man is programmed to wanting to belong somewhere (I'm kind of trying to resist that urge, though, haha), and for that, I need to define myself... or something

You may be an ENTP or an INTP, they're both very similar. ENTP also uses Ne over Ti.

I would stick around, see if you fit in, then go from there. Most INTPs will also agree that they feel they don't even fit in on this board. So it's all up to you.

Oh, yes, thanks.

I was planning on staying anyway, haha. Even if someone told me "OMG, no, you're not INTP, those are the traits of a XXXX" But I probably just wanted to "rant", or something (I'm being very vague, I know, haha) about how i fit in, but still don't

 

[ShipwreckSilence]

I dunno what to tell you about being an INTP or not, but I agree with the others, you should stick around. As long as you're getting something out of this, you do belong. The way you've explained your situation certainly seems Ti/Ne enough that you didn't get a lot of "what are you talk about you moron!" responses from us, so that's a sign you fit in here.

 

[Ska]

Do you have a monotone voice and lack articulation, or do you accentuate points when you talk and articulate fairly well? You seem like you could be INFJ to me, which the latter would indicate, but who knows. Welcome anyways.

 

[KazeCraven]

Here's my analysis: ISTP.

-You get exhausted by socializing - I. How many friends you have doesn't matter.
-You don't care too much about others' feelings, you are called 'cynical', and introspective, so Ti is most likely above Fe (these are cognitive processes underlying the theory); therefore T
-You seem more free-form and less focused on your own worldview than you are on others' worldviews, so probably not IxxJ
-Your need for organization and proper dress seems to stem more from aesthetics than from a compulsion to organize, so can be explained away by a secondary function of Se
-the overall package, ISTP, shows a desire for impact, is somewhat introspective but not overly so, and is somewhat detail oriented, though ISTPs are not detail-loving as are ISTJs; also vivid imaginations are more likely in P-types and questioning one's own perspective is very typical of NPs, so you probably are close around there

Now, for the caveats.
1) I typed this off a single post, which was probably written from one mindset.
2) I have a bias toward making athletic types 'S', so you might want to double-check that
3) Obviously you aren't an archetypal ISTP, so the type description will probably suck. You are better off looking at Adymus's Cognitive Functions 100 in the MBTI & Typology sub-forum to get an idea of the model I use to type people
4) I'm no type guru.
5) No one really cares that much around here, as exhibited above.
6) ....welcome

 

[Kuu]

From your posts, it sounds as you took from the descriptions all the superficial manifestations of the cognitive functions (... behaviors...), instead of understanding the functions themselves...

It tends to be a common mistake, particularly when some people claim to "relate to all types"

 

[echoplex]

Love, Emil

Oh noes, the 'L' word!

You certainly belong here. And by that I meant you don't, but no one does. We just are. You are free to be as well, but do watch out for the usual horrors/rape that have been known to occur.

I mean, nothing.

Do you have a monotone voice and lack articulation, or do you accentuate points when you talk and articulate fairly well? You seem like you could be INFJ to me, which the latter would indicate, but who knows. Welcome anyways.

I accentuate points and (I think) articulate well!
Though this could be a matter of development of the inferior function leading to a sense of pride in that (often difficult) development causing an inflated sense of one's ability. (in this case, thinking I'm naturally articulate when I actually speak like a muffled stuttering beastman unless I try really really hard; not true btw!)

Plus, I think it's natural for people to like to think they do things well. A better question might be "how much effort do you notice yourself putting into articulation?" The assumption being that little noticeable effort implies an energizing (rather than draining) Fe or Te function.

 

[Emil-san]

Here's my analysis: ISTP.

-You get exhausted by socializing - I. How many friends you have doesn't matter.
-You don't care too much about others' feelings, you are called 'cynical', and introspective, so Ti is most likely above Fe (these are cognitive processes underlying the theory); therefore T
-You seem more free-form and less focused on your own worldview than you are on others' worldviews, so probably not IxxJ
-Your need for organization and proper dress seems to stem more from aesthetics than from a compulsion to organize, so can be explained away by a secondary function of Se
-the overall package, ISTP, shows a desire for impact, is somewhat introspective but not overly so, and is somewhat detail oriented, though ISTPs are not detail-loving as are ISTJs; also vivid imaginations are more likely in P-types and questioning one's own perspective is very typical of NPs, so you probably are close around there

Now, for the caveats.
1) I typed this off a single post, which was probably written from one mindset.
2) I have a bias toward making athletic types 'S', so you might want to double-check that
3) Obviously you aren't an archetypal ISTP, so the type description will probably suck. You are better off looking at Adymus's Cognitive Functions 100 in the MBTI & Typology sub-forum to get an idea of the model I use to type people
4) I'm no type guru.
5) No one really cares that much around here, as exhibited above.
6) ....welcome

Yes, I read the type description for ISTP, and I felt like I was further away from that one, than many others (including the E ones) My best friend is an ISTP though. I could be, as with the E/I thing (I have the results from a test I did, if you don't believe me, haha ) that I'm somewhere inbetween.

But as you said, for a sense of "belonging" on the forum, it doesn't really matter. I feel at home already.. sort of. Thanks!

From your posts, it sounds as you took from the descriptions all the superficial manifestations of the cognitive functions (... behaviors...), instead of understanding the functions themselves...

It tends to be a common mistake, particularly when some people claim to "relate to all types"

Could you explain this further? It sounds intriguing, but I don't really understand what you mean (that i did).

God, I wish I could talk swedish with y'all, my "reasoning" and stuff doesn't work as well in english, trouble finding the right words and so.

 

[Emil-san]

I think I kinda understand what you meant now. I looked through the "Cognitive funtions" thread, trying to see which I realted to the most. I found this.

Using Ni a person can shift their perspectives, view and understand things from different angles and in different ways, each giving insights, synthesizing information and trying to get to the best outcome for the problem at hand and accomplish a vision of the future. Perspectives are often evoked by focusing on physical symbols, archetypes, totems, and other abstractions like visual models. This ability allows the Ni user to see the underlying meaning and universal truths of natural law behind symbols and abstractions, and then apply them in other places that appear unrelated or contradictory.

Which was the one that best applied to me, I feel. I looked at the introverted sensing part too (as I was suggested), but didn't feel a similarity. (Of course, this could be a case of confirmation bias. I WANT to be an INTP so much, I only think about this "evidence presented" with "my INTP mind", haha)

Also, I feel like this:

Ni is worldview that is based on a person’s map of abstract patterns, natural law, and how things will unfold in the future, and it’s agenda is to turn the present into this future model. The worldview is what a person looks into when they check to see where things are going. When a pattern or event happens in real time, then a person must check their worldview to be able to recognize what is happening now and where it is going to go.

Is more me than:

Si is a worldview that is based on a person’s history and memories of how things were in their past, and it’s agenda is to make the present match this past image.

So judging from this, I think I am an INTP after all, but very close to something else. This belief is/was reinforced when I read/am reading through the "You know you are an INTP" thread. Almost all the stuff applies to me, except the EXTREMELY huge restistance to small talking, and paying no attention to what you're wearing.¨

Why do I keep going on about this, we already established that it doesn't matter, haha. Anyway, sorry for double post and everything, but I feel more secure with "my position" now. Thanks!

 

[KazeCraven]

Why do I keep going on about this, we already established that it doesn't matter, haha. Anyway, sorry for double post and everything, but I feel more secure with "my position" now. Thanks!

Probably because you found an interesting idea and know that certain knowledge about who you are is possible, but somewhat out of reach. People naturally seek certainty, especially on issues that they think are important. At least, that's what the philosopher Charles Peirce argues.

Also consider this: suppose you found out today that you are actually, say, INTJ. Is that really going to help considering that the INTP type description and reports from people who are INTP are more similar than corresponding information about INTJs? At some point we have to distinguish between initial causes and manifestations, and usually the manifestations are what bring people together. Debate is still going about which level the MBTI should work at, namely either at the type description level or the cognitive process level.

At least on this forum, most anyone who starts talking about thinking about MBTI on a "deeper level" is talking about this guy's POV: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582

He may not be right, but he knows what he's talking about at least.

 

[Emil-san]

Probably because you found an interesting idea and know that certain knowledge about who you are is possible, but somewhat out of reach. People naturally seek certainty, especially on issues that they think are important. At least, that's what the philosopher Charles Peirce argues.

Also consider this: suppose you found out today that you are actually, say, INTJ. Is that really going to help considering that the INTP type description and reports from people who are INTP are more similar than corresponding information about INTJs? At some point we have to distinguish between initial causes and manifestations, and usually the manifestations are what bring people together. Debate is still going about which level the MBTI should work at, namely either at the type description level or the cognitive process level.

At least on this forum, most anyone who starts talking about thinking about MBTI on a "deeper level" is talking about this guy's POV: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582

He may not be right, but he knows what he's talking about at least.

Yes, I personally think that the "manifestations" are kinda more important than the initial causes, since that's what objetively defines you as a person.. sort of, haha. I mean, your own thought processes and such may be important to define your personality type "inside yourself", but people are going to view you in accordance to how they manifest. So people might view me as more extrovert, due to my "attention to style", for example. (The reason for the quotation marks is because that was the exact phrasing of the conclusion in the "Personal DNA test, in which I got 100% in that cathegory)

I don't know, I'm just rambling now. I agree with everything you said, and thank you

 

[cheese]

I think I kinda understand what you meant now. I looked through the "Cognitive funtions" thread, trying to see which I realted to the most. I found this.

Using Ni a person can shift their perspectives, view and understand things from different angles and in different ways, each giving insights, synthesizing information and trying to get to the best outcome for the problem at hand and accomplish a vision of the future. Perspectives are often evoked by focusing on physical symbols, archetypes, totems, and other abstractions like visual models. This ability allows the Ni user to see the underlying meaning and universal truths of natural law behind symbols and abstractions, and then apply them in other places that appear unrelated or contradictory.

Which was the one that best applied to me, I feel. I looked at the introverted sensing part too (as I was suggested), but didn't feel a similarity. (Of course, this could be a case of confirmation bias. I WANT to be an INTP so much, I only think about this "evidence presented" with "my INTP mind", haha)

Also, I feel like this:

Ni is worldview that is based on a person’s map of abstract patterns, natural law, and how things will unfold in the future, and it’s agenda is to turn the present into this future model. The worldview is what a person looks into when they check to see where things are going. When a pattern or event happens in real time, then a person must check their worldview to be able to recognize what is happening now and where it is going to go.

Is more me than:

Si is a worldview that is based on a person’s history and memories of how things were in their past, and it’s agenda is to make the present match this past image.

So judging from this, I think I am an INTP after all, but very close to something else. This belief is/was reinforced when I read/am reading through the "You know you are an INTP" thread. Almost all the stuff applies to me, except the EXTREMELY huge restistance to small talking, and paying no attention to what you're wearing.¨

Why do I keep going on about this, we already established that it doesn't matter, haha. Anyway, sorry for double post and everything, but I feel more secure with "my position" now. Thanks!

This would mean you're not INTP. INTPs don't have Ni, they have Ne. And Si. ISTPs have Se, not Si. And Ni.

The lower-case 'e' and 'i' refer to extraverted and introverted respectively, and make a big difference. They refer to whether your function is used in relation to external data, or internal data. I think reading the functions thread again will clarify things further.

Possible types, assuming you have Ni:

Ni-dominants:
INTJ (Ni Te Fi Se)
INFJ (Ni Fe Ti Se) ----> Has Ti, like INTP

Ni-auxiliary:
ENTJ (Te Ni Se Fi)
ENFJ (Fe Ni Se Ti) ----> Has Ti, like INTP. But sucks.


The next few are unlikely to be you, since Ni is in a low position.

Ni-tertiary:
ISTP (Ti Se Ni Fe)
ISFP (Fi Se Ni Te)

Ni-inferior:

ESTP (Se Ti Fe Ni)
ESFP (Se Fi Te Ni)


INTP --> Ti Ne Si Fe, if you're interested.


Just so you know where you fit in the theory - I don't know if the theory's grounded in reality (though it does seem to make good-ish predictions once you understand it).


*edit
Oh yeah, I used to type all over the place too (9 different types I think). Lack of self-knowledge and theoretical knowledge (even though I'd already read a fair bit), and shit tests. Once you really dig deep into it, it all starts to come together and make sense, and your type narrows down a lot, so don't sweat it, it's not total bunkum and Adymus's system hangs together pretty nicely. You'll get there (if you want).

 

[Emil-san]

This would mean you're not INTP. INTPs don't have Ni, they have Ne. And Si. ISTPs have Se, not Si. And Ni.

Possible types, assuming you have Ni:

Ni-dominants:
INTJ (Ni Te Fi Se)
INFJ (Ni Fe Ti Se) ----> Has Ti, like INTP

Ni-auxiliary:
ENTJ (Te Ni Se Fi)
ENFJ (Fe Ni Se Ti) ----> Has Ti, like INTP. But sucks.


The next few are unlikely to be you, since Ni is in a low position.

Ni-tertiary:
ISTP (Ti Se Ni Fe)
ISFP (Fi Se Ni Te)

Ni-inferior:

ESTP (Se Ti Fe Ni)
ESFP (Se Fi Te Ni)


INTP --> Ti Ne Si Fe, if you're interested.


Just so you know where you fit in the theory - I don't know if the theory's grounded in reality (though it does seem to make good-ish predictions once you understand it).

Is this definite though? I mean, I don't have any objections if it happens to be so, but is it carved in stone that INTP = Ti Ne Si Fe?

Also, if you were to analyze my behaviour, the "initial causes" and "the manifestations" i provided in the original post, were would you want to put me?

 

[cheese]

(edited first post)

Yes, it is definite, that is the definition of INTP - bound by its functions and their order. Different functions and different orders would mean a different type, or gibberish: eg FeTeFiTi - this is a nonsense type, it is [theoretically] impossible to exist with only these functions for reasons outlined in the function thread - basically, you don't have all the tools necessary to operate as a human being: you need an information-gathering tool (Ne or Se), a weighing tool to see what sits well with you (Fi or Ti), a tool to interface with the outer world (Fe or Te) and a tool that puts together your information and gives you a worldview (Ni or Si). So you see, Introverted iNtuition and Extraverted iNtuition may sound similar, but they are totally different functions (names are misleading). I'd recommend you have a look at the original thread though; it's explained better there.

I can't place you by behaviour, really. :P Post a video!

Judging by what you said though:
Relating to all types means you don't know yourself or the theory (or both) well enough - I was ambi on almost all fronts as well, but that's behavioural and not how my brain actually works. Different tools in tandem can give you similar effects in certain circumstances.

Considering you seem to relate really well to Ni, you're probably an INFJ or INTJ. Check out Te and Fe as well; see which one means more to you.

On the other hand, the way Ni is described can sometimes sound like TiNe (imo), so perhaps you're reacting to that instead. How does Ti feel to you? Look it up.

T doesn't mean you're unemotional btw. It's perfectly normal for a T to have strong emotions (guilt etc). Has nothing to do with whether you use Fi (weighing tool - same purpose as Ti, except emotion-based, rather than principle-based) or Fe (interface with external world - same purpose as Te, except community-oriented, rather than system-oriented).

I've met extremely cynical and bitter Fe people. But their main focus is still on maintaining relationships, continually realigning themselves with groups they identify, fluent in the languages of society and convention. "Walking Facebooks" are likely to be Fe people.

Likewise, I've met really emotional Te/Ti people. At the end of the day though, they (at least believe they) make decisions based on principles (eg "TRUTH - therefore be honest regardless of feelings"). They aren't oriented around people, or their own feelings, or those of others. These are not their natural focus, though they may be important.

Hope I haven't led you astray anywhere; others, feel free to correct.


My guess for you would be INTP/INFJ, but that's very uneducated considering how little I know.

Really - read the thread, read around, and start asking yourself questions.

 

[cheese]

Oh yeah, and the reason it's useful to have an understanding of what functions underlie your behaviour is that - even if you act similar to someone of a different type, it is just a superficial similarity; you are both producing from different roots. That means identifying as the same type is useless, because you haven't learnt anything about why the person does what he does beyond the superficial ("we both do X"). Also, come stress-time - or any other situation that is unfamiliar territory - neither will have any idea what is going on with the other, because you are approaching it from different angles, and there will be friction that might have been resolved had you actually understood where the other person is coming from.

You won't know your positive or negative triggers, and you won't know how to maximise/manipulate either.

(Obviously we all have some self-knowledge. I'm assuming this takes us beyond basic levels by tracing behaviour back to function interplay and therefore providing more predictive power.)

Basically, if your understanding is based on a rotten foundation, it's not going to be any use in the long run. I think your question is essentially whether the functions truly affect behaviour to any significant extent? The answer is yes, they do, and it will become more obvious to you as you read and understand more, and apply this understanding to your life.


[I think. ]

Is Emil a guy's name, btw? Where are you from?

 

[KazeCraven]

working backwards,

Yes, Emil is a guy's name at least (learned it from a video game: Tales of Symphonia II).

I like your analysis of the necessity of understanding roots, so I would alter my stance to say that both are important because when manifestation does change you can revert back to the underlying causes. I would say that the manifestation part is what you would tell people (ex. I have preferences for INTP [I, N, T, and P?]; make of that what you will) but you would work from the understanding that you are actually, say, INFJ. Basically this takes into account that most people really wont care to know the theory in detail, and perhaps neither about you in detail.

 

[Emil-san]

Oh yeah, and the reason it's useful to have an understanding of what functions underlie your behaviour is that - even if you act similar to someone of a different type, it is just a superficial similarity; you are both producing from different roots. That means identifying as the same type is useless, because you haven't learnt anything about why the person does what he does beyond the superficial ("we both do X"). Also, come stress-time - or any other situation that is unfamiliar territory - neither will have any idea what is going on with the other, because you are approaching it from different angles, and there will be friction that might have been resolved had you actually understood where the other person is coming from.

You won't know your positive or negative triggers, and you won't know how to maximise/manipulate either.

(Obviously we all have some self-knowledge. I'm assuming this takes us beyond basic levels by tracing behaviour back to function interplay and therefore providing more predictive power.)

Basically, if your understanding is based on a rotten foundation, it's not going to be any use in the long run. I think your question is essentially whether the functions truly affect behaviour to any significant extent? The answer is yes, they do, and it will become more obvious to you as you read and understand more, and apply this understanding to your life.


[I think. ]

Is Emil a guy's name, btw? Where are you from?

Thanks a lot for the extensive replies!

How does Ti feel to you? Look it up.

I checked out Ti (which I probably should have done before) and this, this is me. This is the most me I have ever seen.

Ti types are usually level-headed, objective, impersonal, yet intensely involved in problem solving. They are rigorous with their thoughts and analysis, choosing the exact words that convey precisely what is meant. Ti types maintain the utmost objectivity. Ti types typically do not take constructive criticism and disagreement personally. They often welcome tough, unrelenting critique as an aid to achieving the highest levels of accuracy and objectivity.

Thanks for all the help.
I guess it was/is the theory part that lacked. I'm starting to understand more and more though. I have probably read it before, but I never comprended how they were connected and divided. Like you said that a "combination" is used for "gathering information", one for processing and so on.

working backwards,

Yes, Emil is a guy's name at least (learned it from a video game: Tales of Symphonia II).

I like your analysis of the necessity of understanding roots, so I would alter my stance to say that both are important because when manifestation does change you can revert back to the underlying causes. I would say that the manifestation part is what you would tell people (ex. I have preferences for INTP [I, N, T, and P?]; make of that what you will) but you would work from the understanding that you are actually, say, INFJ. Basically this takes into account that most people really wont care to know the theory in detail, and perhaps neither about you in detail.

Yes, this I can agree 100% with. Especially the part I bolded. Thank you too, this discussion and explainations (from your side) has been very valuable to me

 

[Da Blob]

Well, if you are on a quest to answer the question "Who am I" via the answer to the question "What am I ?" Good luck! Personality is just one facet of your existence as a human being...

 

[KazeCraven]

Yes, this I can agree 100% with. Especially the part I bolded. Thank you too, this discussion and explainations (from your side) has been very valuable to me

Glad to be useful.

 

[bloozie]

Welcome to the Psychiatric Ward. Enjoy your stay, but do remember that you're going to have to leave every once in awhile.

 

[cheese]

Thanks a lot for the extensive replies!



I checked out Ti (which I probably should have done before) and this, this is me. This is the most me I have ever seen.

Ti types are usually level-headed, objective, impersonal, yet intensely involved in problem solving. They are rigorous with their thoughts and analysis, choosing the exact words that convey precisely what is meant. Ti types maintain the utmost objectivity. Ti types typically do not take constructive criticism and disagreement personally. They often welcome tough, unrelenting critique as an aid to achieving the highest levels of accuracy and objectivity.

Thanks for all the help.
I guess it was/is the theory part that lacked. I'm starting to understand more and more though. I have probably read it before, but I never comprended how they were connected and divided. Like you said that a "combination" is used for "gathering information", one for processing and so on.

Oh, great. I'm glad things are clearing up. It only gets more interesting imo, so I wouldn't stop reading.

 

[Razare]

It sounds like you are either ISTP or INFJ, because you probably have Ni.

Noticing what other people are wearing is just a clue that would lead me to think you are ISTP.

You could easily be a T type; but like me, I have a strong Ti and may be an INFJ.

You sound a shade off from the INFJ's on that forum, though. ISTP seems more likely. Just because there's an S there doesn't mean you don't have intuition either. If you've highly developed your tertiary function, your Ni could be strong, thus clouding your personality to make you test wrong.

A strong Ti in me makes me test as INTP, or INTJ.

 

[Adymus]

I'm getting Dominant intuitive off of you, and I'm leaning toward INTJ right now.

Did you relate at all with the description of Ne?

 

[Emil-san]

I'm getting Dominant intuitive off of you, and I'm leaning toward INTJ right now.

Did you relate at all with the description of Ne?

When I originally read the Ni part, I though "Well, this is quite like me, actually", but when I read and compared Ne to it, I couldn't have been more wrong. Now, I don't know if these two are the same "tool", but for what it's worth, I related a hell of a lot more to the Ne