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I recall Hado saying something about being able to use this info some way... Something about having individual results or some shit. IDK if I am remembering correctly or if my reading comprehension is just poor. In any case, my psychiatrist ordered a neuropsychological test for me. I'll be posting my info here when I get my results.
 

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IDK what Neuropsychological test my psychiatrist ordered. I will be calling them tomorrow to find out.
 

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Turns out it's some sort of battery of tests rather than just one. Supposed to take like 3 hours. Going to be tough if I can't smoke during that time.
 

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Make sure you tell them you need to smoke. They're trying to measure you not your withdrawals.
 

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Make sure you tell them you need to smoke. They're trying to measure you not your withdrawals.
IIRC there is supposed to be a break halfway or something. Hopefully I can smoke then. Thing is, a lot of clinics nowadays have no smoking on premises, so who knows if I am going to be able to smoke or not.
 

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I took the test(s) today, including WAIS-IV. I think I am going to get my results on Friday.
 

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I felt I did well on some portions of the test(s) and pretty poorly on others. Anything with words I did pretty bad on, I think.
 

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The more I think about it, the more I think I did poorly on this :/
 

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Don't worry about it dude. You have the best sense of how well you did directly after completing a test. The more you think about it, the less your concerns mirror reality.

It's also not the kind of test you pass or fail. :confused:
 

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Don't worry about it dude. You have the best sense of how well you did directly after completing a test. The more you think about it, the less your concerns mirror reality.

It's also not the kind of test you pass or fail. :confused:
There were a couple of sections that when I think about it, I think, "damn that was pretty slow." Especially this one specific test when I had to make a pattern out of 9 blocks that were half white and half red. I was able to do them all, but I remember I messed up on two of those and had to start over. The last one prolly took me like 2 min which is way too long.

I talked to my therapist about the test today. I told him there was a perfect way to describe how I felt about it. They gave a kind of emotional evaluation where they ask you how you are feeling on a sliding scale. I said the way I felt was perfectly encapsulated with the question they asked about how content I was. I answered "not at all" or the equivalent.
 

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I got some results via phone call; I will get the full results mailed to me.

I have mostly average results. I had one category that was considered an impairment and one that was considered strongly above average. The test also shows that I have a very big problem with anxiety, which I was not at all expecting. The test that I scored strongly above average was in pattern recognition. The test that I have an impairment of was for the test where they tell you a story and you answer questions about that story - don't know exactly what this measures. The test also said I have a lot of attention problems which they said makes sense because of my diagnosis of ADHD. I have below average processing speed. Many of the tests were variable.

The doctor recommended that I bring up the anxiety with my providers. It was such a blind spot to me tbh. I guess I am just used to feeling anxiety all the time so I just consider it normal. I scored in the top 97% in anxiety for how I felt at the time and the top 100% for how I feel generally.

I originally went because people have trouble understanding me and the anxiety explains this.

I scored below average on quite a few things, which I am not really happy about, but there's little I can actually do about it. Most of these were with variable results, apparently.

Regarding the block test, apparently I did average on that test. I also was right about being bad at things regarding words.

The doctor who calculated the test said I'm not really going to have numbers for these tests, but it's going to be said in the form of "below average, average, above average" ect.
 
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I have below average processing speed.
I think this can be seen in the videos we make. Accept you are constant in your speed and I can either be fast talking or slow. That is why I wait for Ne to kick in from collecting and unifying the data on the topic. My video "might be INFP perhaps" is the slowest one. I think this is because Ne can vary in speed. Typing messages can be a hassle because it takes times to unify the data/message. Some people write fast because they already know what to say. For two years I practically talked to no one. My variation in speed is equivalent to how much I need to pause to draw the information out of me. If I know there is not enough information my pace slows down or just stops and I need to either redo the video or quite. In conversation when I run out of things to say I ask the other person questions and elaborate on that.
 

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I think this can be seen in the videos we make. Accept you are constant in your speed and I can either be fast talking or slow. That is why I wait for Ne to kick in from collecting and unifying the data on the topic. My video "might be INFP perhaps" is the slowest one. I think this is because Ne can vary in speed. Typing messages can be a hassle because it takes times to unify the data/message. Some people write fast because they already know what to say. For two years I practically talked to no one. My variation in speed is equivalent to how much I need to pause to draw the information out of me. If I know there is not enough information my pace slows down or just stops and I need to either redo the video or quite. In conversation when I run out of things to say I ask the other person questions and elaborate on that.
I looked at your WAIS-IV thread. What is your overall IQ? I don't know that I saw that in the chart that you had.

What is your pattern recognition like? I am wondering if we are both slow in processing speed but excel at pattern recognition.
 
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In Nov 2015 I took the wais4 with all 15 subtests. overall was 113.
In Nov 2017 I took the wais4 with only the core 10 subtests and overall got 109.

I do not know what you mean by pattern recognition.
Could you provide a description?
You may be referring to matrix reasoning?
 

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In Nov 2015 I took the wais4 with all 15 subtests. overall was 113.
In Nov 2017 I took the wais4 with only the core 10 subtests and overall got 109.

I do not know what you mean by pattern recognition.
Could you provide a description?
You may be referring to matrix reasoning?
I am not sure what the guy meant by "pattern recognition," I just know I scored "strongly above average" in that category. I am not exactly sure what "strongly above average" really means. It could mean top 10% or higher (or lower), I really have no idea.

I am unsure if my WAIS-IV score will be in numerical form, because he said my results weren't going to be in numerical form when I asked him about deviations. I mentioned deviations because I noticed in your WAIS-IV score from Nov 2017 that some of the deviations were different. I was curious about what diviations my results would be in and I guess I didn't do a good enough job of getting the answers I wanted.

I recall the person that actually administered the test (who was a different person than the person who scored my test) said something along the lines of "he's really smart" to herself while I was taking a test and she was saying this when she was looking at some other results that I had done earlier (I think). The guy who gave me my results said I was "a bright guy" but IDK what that means exactly. How "bright" am I? IDK if that means I am in the top 20% or something much higher. I hope I get some kind of numerical results, but I am doubtful that I will given he told me things were not going to be based on numerical results. He also told me my reasoning was good, but again, what does "good" mean?

I also find it weird that I got the lowest score on a test that I even told my mother I liked that portion of the test the most. Basically, they told me about a paragraph worth of info that was a story. Then they asked me questions about the story they had just told me. Apparently I did very poorly on that test. IDK what this measures exactly. What I have sorta been able to piece together is that I somehow make up stories and substories from what is actually said, so my interpretation of what the actual story is, is off, which makes me answer the questions incorrectly.
 
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My exam was somewhat different than giving answers to stories or creating stories. I remember at the beginning he was surprised how considerate I was. I was tested for ADD and Aspergers which I have neither. I respond faster in one ear from the ADD test. He was unsure he could comment on if I was correctly diagnosed (schizoaffective disorder). I failed to tell him I have aphantasia. One test where I could not find the pattern to make money I act randomly and fast because I did not know what to do to make the money (he said this should be taken into consideration). I forget the rest other than the IQ test. But my psychiatrist definitely says I have a nonverbal learning disability. He was not the one that did my exam, the one who did has an office downtown.

oh and I also took this test where I answered 50 of 50.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_of_Memory_Malingering

one test I got a Z score of 3.1 or 99.9 percentile,
I need to find out what that test is measuring.
 

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oh and I also took this test where I answered 50 of 50.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_of_Memory_Malingering

one test I got a Z score of 3.1 or 99.9 percentile,
I need to find out what that test is measuring.
I think I know what test this is..

I think it's where they tell you words that they want you to repeat back to them. It makes sense that there are two different sections with 25 words each. I am just guessing that this is the test because I don't actually know how many words there were, but 25 seems likely.

On this particular test, I think I only remembered like 5 or 6 the first time around (which I think is pretty bad because they are all common words that should be easy to remember). I eventually got like 15 or so, but this was after they had repeated the list to me several times. They only said the second list once and prolly didn't repeat it because I did poorly with the first list, but IDK for sure.
 
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I think I know what test this is..

I think it's where they tell you words that they want you to repeat back to them. It makes sense that there are two different sections with 25 words each. I am just guessing that this is the test because I don't actually know how many words there were, but 25 seems likely.

On this particular test, I think I only remembered like 5 or 6 the first time around (which I think is pretty bad because they are all common words that should be easy to remember). I eventually got like 15 or so, but this was after they had repeated the list to me several times. They only said the second list once and prolly didn't repeat it because I did poorly with the first list, but IDK for sure.
They asked me to tell them which items together were furniture or transportation or vegetables or animals. Not all at the same time but after repeating back and forth 5-6 times.

If I got to the 99.9 percentile then that means I got 145. So my retention must be high in comparison to the general population.
 

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They asked me to tell them which items together were furniture or transportation or vegetables or animals. Not all at the same time but after repeating back and forth 5-6 times.

If I got to the 99.9 percentile then that means I got 145. So my retention must be high in comparison to the general population.
I don't remember taking a test like that. The closest to that I got was when they asked me to say as many words as I could that started with a specific letter. They also did one where they asked me to say as many animals as I could. These two tests were done roughly at the same time. I did better at the animal one, but I don't think I did very well with the words for a specific letter.

I thought 99.9% would be a lot higher than 145...?
 

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I think I figured out what they meant by "strongly above average." I think they mean that strongly implies how confident they are in saying I fit into the category of "above average." That makes a lot of sense to me now that I think about it.
 

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Interpreting this shit is kinda complicated.

This says above average is the highest category(???) while This gives a different scale altogether.

Hopefully I will know more after I get my results :confused:

[Edit]This one is prolly the most accurate tho because I don't think I am that smart.
 

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@AK,

I think I figured out what the pattern recognition was. It was the one where there are 4 different cards spread out on the table horizontally and they have geometric shapes in different locations that are different colors and you have to guess where to put the ones they give you. I remember thinking that test was very easy for me. I even tried to anticipate the pattern ahead of time with that one.

Do you remember taking this test?
 
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number, shape, color

I remember that test.
By switching the category when you get it wrong you match to the new correct pattern.

A card two yellow squares and another card had two pink triangles but the color and shape did not matter, it based the pattern on the number 2. It did this for colors and shapes and numbers.
 

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number, shape, color

I remember that test.
By switching the category when you get it wrong you match to the new correct pattern.

A card two yellow squares and another card had two pink triangles but the color and shape did not matter, it based the pattern on the number 2. It did this for colors and shapes and numbers.
YES! What was the name of the category of that test?
 

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no idea.

But I did my test on the computer.
You did yours on a computer? Weird. Why did they have you do it on a computer?

I took only one test on the computer and I think it was the MMPI.
 
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You did yours on a computer? Weird. Why did they have you do it on a computer?
speed, accuracy, and elimination of error from human test givers.

I blazed past it because I got the immediate feedback you don't get from humans.

Many tests can be done on computers now and that is a better feedback mechanism.
 

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speed, accuracy, and elimination of error from human test givers.

I blazed past it because I got the immediate feedback you don't get from humans.

many tests can be done on computers now and that is a better feedback mechanism.
Was this a scientifically validated test you did?
 

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I assume so since the guy was a neuropsychologist and so why would he not use validated tests.
I see.

I wonder why they had you do it on a computer instead of doing it live. Do you know why? Was there a specific reason?
 

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none he gave me. but I do prefer the computer because of the speed at which I finished the test.
Cool! I wish I could have taken it on the computer!
 
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Cool! I wish I could have taken it on the computer!
Can you connect your pattern recognition ability to anything you do in ordinary life? Or just anything it may apply to. Connecting what you did on the test to what you can do elsewhere?
 

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Can you connect your pattern recognition ability to anything you do in ordinary life? Or just anything it may apply to. Connecting what you did on the test to what you can do elsewhere?
I haven't thought about this a lot.

I know I have a tendency to try and "predict" things. For me, this is just like breathing. Anything that there is some sort of pattern to recognize, I tend to take hold of that and try and predict what the next thing in the sequence is. It could just be a conversation I have with someone (for example, getting annoyed that my brother is changing the subject so often), or what I think the next possible outcome is going to be regarding where a fly lands. All kinds of stupid stuff like that that doesn't really have any value in the real world. I just don't know (or rather), I am not confident in my ability to apply this to the real world to do something that is actually productive.

Actually, I think that is what I find enjoyable about you AK - that you are a difficult person to predict and that makes it fun to try and guess what you are going to say next.
 
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Out of the blue, you seem able to think deeply. I think you said you have ADD but you work around it by being interested in what you like rather than being put on the spot. This I think is a sign of Ni. Prediction being prominent. I am not a deep thinker in the common sense. Where you can create new stories or patterns by deep contemplation, me I have to look into the web of associations to construct the right net to represent my goal. Intuition is not an act of willpower like judgment. It simply happens and it happens better in a place your mind can be quiet. So creating or predicting patterns works for you but for me, it would be hard pressed for me to go in one direction, I feel I need to go everywhere at the same time. Too many concepts exist that I barely put them together, but it is novel and random when I do get several items together. Falling asleep I skip around dot to dot and cannot keep track but I do know each one is connected but I only handle so much.

Here is my recent assortment of dots:

6 things A.I. needs

Hierarchy.
Reflection.
Sparse coding compression.
3D awareness/selective attention.
Human interaction feedback.
Network scalability.

You can derive working memory just from these 6 items so it was unnecessary to add it to the list.

@QuickTwist

I do think Ni is part of your stack.
 

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Out of the blue, you seem able to think deeply. I think you said you have ADD but you work around it by being interested in what you like rather than being put on the spot. This I think is a sign of Ni. Prediction being prominent. I am not a deep thinker in the common sense. Where you can create new stories or patterns by deep contemplation, me I have to look into the web of associations to construct the right net to represent my goal. Intuition is not an act of willpower like judgment. It simply happens and it happens better in a place your mind can be quiet. So creating or predicting patterns works for you but for me, it would be hard pressed for me to go in one direction, I feel I need to go everywhere at the same time. Too many concepts exist that I barely put them together, but it is novel and random when I do get several items together. Falling asleep I skip around dot to dot and cannot keep track but I do know each one is connected but I only handle so much.

Here is my recent assortment of dots:

6 things A.I. needs

Hierarchy.
Reflection.
Sparse coding compression.
3D awareness/selective attention.
Human interaction feedback.
Network scalability.

You can derive working memory just from these 6 items so it was unnecessary to add it to the list.

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I do think Ni is part of your stack.
Hmm.. I'll think about what you said about me having Ni over Ne. Someone else recently told me they didn't think I was an intuitive, but I don't really think that is the case. It's likely at this point that I am an Ni dom. Pod'Lair typed me as NaiXyy (I think that is the type they said [double checked and yeah, they said I was NaiXyy]) which translates to INFJ. This other person that said I wasn't an intuitive likely just doesn't really know how I think very well. Not that they are stupid, to the contrary. It's just that this person doesn't strike me as someone who really thinks as deep as I do and is prolly much more of an Ne person than I am. I can tend to be a bit complicated and this leads people to misunderstanding me all the time. In fact, that's the whole reason I wanted to get this neuropsychological testing done in the first place. I've said on this forum more than once that I am much more of a depth before breadth type of person as opposed to breadth before depth. IDK tho. I suppose it's possible I am INTJ, but I am not really productive in my life which is a key thing for INTJ's but this could be explained by paralyzing anxiety, so I am not sure.
 
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You could just be a deep thinking ISTP.
Ni can be in 4 placements so it is not necessary that your dom is Ni.
Auxiliary Tert and inferior could be where it's at also.
 

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You could just be a deep thinking ISTP.
Ni can be in 4 placements so it is not necessary that your dom is Ni.
Auxiliary Tert and inferior could be where it's at also.
I'll take that into consideration.

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So I looked it up and there seems to be no mention of "strongly" or "above average" in the WAIS IV assessment results. I don't think there is even a category for "pattern recognition." WTF is going on?

http://www.washingtoncenterforcogni...oads/2015/01/greenwood_description-wais-1.pdf

 

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OK, I think I am going to predict that I am a bit shy of the 98%ile (mensa equivalent [or an IQ of 130 for the WAIS-IV]).
 

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Anyone have any guesses what my IQ is going to be once I get my results? I personally am going to guess 125.
 

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I thought I remembered the neuropsych say I had an average IQ, but I also remember him saying I was "a bright guy" so now IDK what to think. Maybe like 110?
 

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Intellectual Abilities: Academic achievement tests indicate average-range reading abilities and high average written math skills. Tests of current intellectual functioning were performed commensurately with the achievement tests. Demonstrating vocabulary knowledge was average, abstract verbal analogical reasoning was high average, hands-on visuospatial reasoning through object assembly was average and visual reasoning through pattern identification was high average.

Based on This I estimate my IQ to be somewhere in the 105-110 range. I have three things that say I have average intelligence and 3 things that say I have a high average intelligence. So if we assume the 3 that are average are 100 and the three that are high average are 110, then this gives me an IQ of 105.
 
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If 100 is the average of 90 and 110. (range of average)
Then the average between 110 and 120(range of high average)
is 115.

(100 + 115)/2 = 107.5
 

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If 100 is the average of 90 and 110. (range of average)
Then the average between 110 and 120(range of high average)
is 115.

(100 + 115)/2 = 107.5
Exactly. That's why I said 105-110.
 
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Even though I am 109 full scale, on g I am 130. same as Figuerweights. 130.

Link It is reported in the WAIS-IV Technical Manual that the Figure Weights task measures quantitative and analogical reasoning [8]. These types of Piagetian tasks routinely assess quantitative reasoning that can be expressed mathematically through deductive and inductive logic
Not sure if this can equate with Analytical thinking. I may lack energy or have mental blockages but so far I can when I can be, perfectly logical. Recently I went off my gabapentin and sleep 18 hours a day for a week. So it is not that I do not have the cognitive structures, it is my condition is exhaustion and fatigue. I could have got higher than 130 on figure weights but I said I was too tired to do the next items.
 

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Even though I am 109 full scale, on g I am 130. same as Figuerweights. 130.



Not sure if this can equate with Analytical thinking. I may lack energy or have mental blockages but so far I can when I can be, perfectly logical. Recently I went off my gabapentin and sleep 18 hours a day for a week. So it is not that I do not have the cognitive structures, it is my condition is exhaustion and fatigue. I could have got higher than 130 on figure weights but I said I was too tired to do the next items.
What is G?
 
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