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OK I am 23 years old and still have no idea what I am going to do with my life. I have considered going to college, but nothing there seems of interest to me. The first job I had was with a ton of people who had computer science degrees so I figured the degree is worthless. I figure I might be able to do something else, but I doubt I find anything that gives my life meaning.

I have ran out of drugs to experiment with. Well there are a few left, but I am saving them for later. Mainly heroin, I'll save that for when I know for sure I'm going to die in a few weeks or something.

I play a ton of musical instruments and have played in a ton of bands. I have gotten into bands that were big enough to play big theaters in my town. There is a band currently looking for a guitar player that is signed and going on a tour. I should be learning the songs, but I just sit here thinking. I am capable of learning their songs they are easy.

I don't know what's wrong with me. I am 23 and I should be out having fun and getting laid, but for some reason I just want to sit at home and read wikipedia. I do go to band practice two times a week and gig about three times a month, but I really don't even enjoy it anymore.

Its as if I have become disillusioned and disenchanted about life.

I can't get wasted on alcohol anymore because my health is deteriorating.

Any ideas?
 

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Invest in an analytical life? Theoretically, it should be eternally stimulating for an INTP.

The problem is "how" and "what". I am guessing independent study isn't for you, so having people to interact cooperatively and scrutinize and come up with new ideas might be it. Next is just the subject of discussion---a lesser factor. Disregarding background concerns, the only requirement for the subject is if it has enough potential to warrant analysis. You should irrevocably be more interested in the process more than the subject, hence, the interest in the process would inevitably correspond and transform to an interest of the subject. It's a matter of releasing hidden "curiosity". Going to college might supplement this, but it shouldn't remain as the only option. People + NT = Good Life.
 

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I think the problem is the 'why', as in 'why do anything'. Find your 'why', the 'what' will follow and the 'how' won't matter.
 

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I think the problem is the 'why', as in 'why do anything'. Find your 'why', the 'what' will follow and the 'how' won't matter.

If one aspect of reality is stimulating BY NATURE, then doesn't this serve as adequate reason? As in "we don't choose what we like so we just go along with it 'cos its more fun that way".
 

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If one aspect of reality is stimulating BY NATURE, then doesn't this serve as adequate reason? As in "we don't choose what we like so we just go along with it 'cos its more fun that way".
You could argue that, but the 'why' concerns the path you take in life and the likelihood of an existential crisis. If you have been working in the name of a purpose, I don't think you would be disappointed in the choices you made, once you're too old to make a difference.
 

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You could argue that, but the 'why' concerns the path you take in life and the likelihood of an existential crisis. If you have been working in the name of a purpose, I don't think you would be disappointed in the choices you made, once you're too old to make a difference.

Purpose seems like an arduous life-mentality, only fit for those with goal-oriented temperaments.

Don't you think its much more stimulating to experience?
 

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I think you are both right. On one hand you need to choose a purpose in life to work towards so in late life you don't regret previous decisions. On the other hand being INTP means only caring about the act of learning or gaining knowledge and not the knowledge itself.
 

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While there are definitely rational concerns at play here, I see "23" and "my health is deteriorating to such an extent that it is not reasonable for me to get drunk anymore" and think "there's probably more physical damage here than meets the eye." Get some things checked out with medical professionals.

Continuing the rational concerns that others have been talking about: it is hard to find something new that you like. Science/math have appealed to me for more than 3/4 of my life, so I never really had to think about something like what to major in. However, I can at least partly empathize, because I have had a lot of trouble finding things to do purely for fun in recent years. Regardless of the difficulty, that's pretty much what you'll wind up having to do, I think. What others in this thread will be better at explaining, most likely, is what the process of that is. Figuring out why you like the things you already like (or have liked in the past) is probably a decent start.
 

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Purpose seems like an arduous life-mentality, only fit for those with goal-oriented temperaments.

Don't you think its much more stimulating to experience?
Purpose provides motivation to have stimulating experiences.

You can't just say "party more", most likely due to temperament related reasons, gnome would just fall back into a slump. What I am saying is find the purpose, the reason to get up in the morning, someone or something to live for. Then everything will seem open for experience. Goal orientation has nothing to do with it, it's about feeling fulfilled, that your actions and decisions have meaning.
 

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Purpose provides motivation to have stimulating experiences.

You can't just say "party more", most likely due to temperament related reasons, gnome would just fall back into a slump. What I am saying is find the purpose, the reason to get up in the morning, someone or something to live for. Then everything will seem open for experience. Goal orientation has nothing to do with it, it's about feeling fulfilled, that your actions and decisions have meaning.

Are you be implying that there is no meaning in experience? And consider the scenario wherein the purpose itself is to experience. Would that not be "purposeful" thus, not fullfilling?

I do agree that some direction is required to an extent but the majority of life should be composed of direct incentive in the form of "creativity" for creativity. Openness.

I'm not exactly promoting "party more" or "slump", but a life invested on thinking.
 

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Are you be implying that there is no meaning in experience? And consider the scenario wherein the purpose itself is to experience. Would that not be "purposeful" thus, not fullfilling?

I do agree that some direction is required to an extent but the majority of life should be composed of direct incentive in the form of "creativity" for creativity. Openness.

I'm not exactly promoting "party more" or "slump", but a life invested on thinking.

No, I regard experience with just as much importance as the rationalization of it. I'm not being philosophical here either. Practically, depending on your reason for feeling unfulfilled, going out and doing things just for the sake of experience may not be enough to make you feel actualized.
 

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going out and doing things just for the sake of experience may not be enough to make you feel actualized.

I agree. But how is your judgement on the ratio of experience to purpose? In terms of actualization? In satisfaction?
 

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In terms of stop hijacking the thread? :)

@ the op...sounds like you've got some underlying issues regarding the quality of your life in general to sort out. If you're not content with basic quality of life, I'd advise forgetting about career paths for the moment and working on those instead, because all you're going to find is dead ends otherwise.

What is your living arrangement? Who is supporting you financially atm, and what if any conditions are involved?

FWIW, strictly economically speaking, 'playing a bunch of instruments' isn't worth much in it's own right. That will probably get your thread some additional attention from the inevitable flock of zealots that will arrive any minute to vehemently disagree with my statement. Yeah alright...music is an orb of pure brilliance and all that blah blah...just remember...you don't need a god to be a religious fanatic...anything worthy of worship will do.

Drugs and fucking are fun too, until you make them a life's pursuit and they become more of the same old shit.

Also, you're using your age as an excuse...my eldest son just turned 23 and he's an intern veterinarian (I know, fuckin' over-achievers make me sick too). I've been earning a living dragging wrecked and broken shit off the highways longer than either of you have been alive. Is that doing something with my life? Fuck no...my life starts when I go home to party and hang with my kids. I define my occupation...I don't want my occupation to define me. You do realize this is an optional approach for you as well, right?
 

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Damn tow truck drivers. What kind of scam is it that it costs $130 to get my car out of a fenced in parking lot which sat there for less than 12 hours? Parasites I tell you!;)

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Figure out what you enjoy and make it happen. Imo entertainment is hard to get into b/c its constantly changing. ADD or some shit.

You sound like me kind of. I used to kick it all day everyday. Started failing school but, I eventually figured out that it was because I didn't want to face the reality of life.

Guess what? Nobody is going to hand you anything. The world will knock you on your ass if you let it. And it looks like it has.
 

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I think you should first sit
down and make a list of
your priorities. What is
important to you? From
there you can utilize that
list and find a career that
incorporates these ideals.
Once you know the end
point all you must do is
figure out the steps in
between, which isn't really
all that hard.



FYI: "Professional drug
experimenter" is not a job
or a career, so your second
paragraph is useless. I'm
not even sure why you mentioned
this as if it has merit. Also
"rockstar" isn't really that
realistic of a goal either...

I don't mean to be heartless
here but your whole problem
is you're being very unrealistic.
From the sounds of it you
want to play music and do drugs.

I think homeless heroin addicts
have this opportunity. Only if their
instruments haven't been stolen
while they sleep off their heroin
high, though.
 

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Oh, also, I'll tell you what's wrong
with you since I'm already being
a bitch.


You're not accepting yourself.
There is nothing wrong with sitting
at home browsing wikipedia over
getting shitfaced and fucking some
ho. In fact, some may believe the
former is actually a better use of
your time.

Don't worry, I feel like this all the
time though, mainly because my
life is the same. I feel so abnormal
and different from my peers because
I don't behave in the same manner.
But the thing is, in ten years, they're
not going to be acting like that
either. You're just ahead of the game.
There's nothing wrong with being
more "reclusive", some even refer to
this as being responsible and mature.
 

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I think I came off the wrong way. That or I didn't explain myself correctly.

All I do with my life is try drugs, read crap on the internet, drink booze and play guitar. I do not even think I'm near a professional musician. I do not think I am ever going to be a rock star. That's not even something I would consider.

What I am saying is I don't know what I want to do to give me purpose in life. That is all. I can tell what you guys are saying. I need to get a profession to support myself. My family supports me, but I don't think I am too big of a thorn on their side. My dad pays for one month of my living in about three days of his work. That won't last forever, but I am just like totally apathetic and unmotivated to do anything.

I have supported my drug and alcohol habit on my own by selling various pieces of guitar and studio gear for the past few years. I had studio equipment worth $2000 alone that I didn't let anyone know I had or that I sold etc. I just told my family I was broke then I'd use money from selling gear to buy booze etc. They'd pay rent and help with food. Fucked up I know.
 

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Faced the same problem. Concept of nature saved my soul. :rolleyes:
 

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What kind of scam is it that it costs $130 to get my car out of a fenced in parking lot which sat there for less than 12 hours?

The good kind!

P.S. You will kindly address me as 'Emergency Road Service Technician' and in exchange I'll provide you a bit of inside information...

Assuming your vehicle was towed for being parked illegally...

Private towing companies aren't authorized to roam the public streets as rogue parking enforcers. That is a privilege your local municipality reserves for itself alone. Many larger cities have invested huge amounts of taxpayer dollars on Tow Truck fleets, the service facilities needed to maintain them, and vehicle ransom impound yards. If you see a tow truck bearing either official state seal and "City Tow Services" or markings of the local police dept. you can safely assume all that truck does 24 hours a day is tow vehicles that are illegally parked or have expired registration tags, in addition to administering the police department's constant demand for towing services (seizing private property/impounding evidence).

Cities that lack in-house towing/impound services will indeed sub-contract with private towing companies to provide those services, and this is where your garden-variety 'tow truck drivers' can be found. These will tend to be the same fly-by-night yards and unsavory individuals your finance company will send to repossess your vehicle if you fuck-up on your car payments. Older/obviously improvised tow trucks bearing generic markings ie; "Rick's Towing" or no markings other than the operator's license number all tow trucks under contract or for general hire must display by law, are indicative of this segment of the industry. Those folks are not the same breed as us. FWIW, lifers such as myself view parking enforcement contracts as the shit job it is, and vehicle re-possessors are almost exclusively ex-con former car thieves (I exaggerate not) who have turned their talent for auto theft into a 'legit' enterprise. My company isn't even involved in that sort of work.

We do contract-tow and store for the CHP (including their vehicles), but their impound area is the exclusive domain of wrecks that will never move under their own power again and are just an insurance adjuster's visit away from the car crusher. There's a good chance the title-holders of the vehicles in that yard are just as deceased. Beyond that and a small number of private companies (car dealers)/individuals we service on demand, we're Auto Club contractors all the way.

So if your car ended up in a private yard, it was probably due to the owner of the private property it was parked upon in violation of posted signs ie: "No Parking/Customer Parking Only...Tow-Away", calling the towing company to have it removed. You should consider yourself lucky that the bail fee to release your car was only $150. Municipal rates for straight impound/storage are twice that amount, and those fucks will demand all outstanding reg. fees and parking tickets to be paid in full before they'll release the vehicle.

I concede to being essentially identical to the other mules in my profession, but I do adhere to a personal code of ethics that is all but invisible to the majority of those I serve.

Perhaps there is some greater insight for the OP hiding within this seemingly off-topic reply. I got into towing simply because it was the most immediately accessible means of dealing with the baby I hadn't given adequate consideration to as a possible result of all my carefree partying and getting laid.

My first job was trawling the narrow, parking-prohibited streets of a couple of huge mobile-home parks Any vehicle left unattended on the street in any manner was fair game for me to 'snatch n' grab', a technique that exploits the high maneuverability of small tow trucks equipped with conventional hydraulic wheel lifts (aka: 'stingers') that can rapidly swoop into position, raise a vehicle by it's drive axle and speed off with it. This method can be used to grab any vehicle in less than 60 seconds except SAABs, due to their front-axle parking brakes. SAABs that are parked without the parking brake engaged are of course totally grabbable, but SAABs are favored by passive-aggressive Rush Limbaugh types who get off on parking their un-towable pieces of backwards engineered shit in tow-away zones with the parking brake applied and then lying in wait for the opportunity to vent righteous indignation at tow truck drivers. SAABs can easily be towed using wheel dollies under the front axle, but snatch and grabs technique dispenses with dollies, safety chains, aux brake lights, tire straps, and any other application, safety-oriented or otherwise, that prolongs the process of non-consensual towing. I know it sounds like a towing method that would be highly effective in inflicting damage upon the towed vehicle (because it is), but that's we did it and most likely how it's still being done. Every thief knows how closely related risk-taking is to not being caught in the act.

The worst aspect, ironically, was my salary was commission-based. I fucking hated it, but it kept me in money and out of my own toxicity long enough to develop a better plan of attack than my usual method of walking the fuck away from what I started, which is what I initially planned to do to my son. As I became more proficient, I also became aware that the occupation tended to stroke my INTP-ness in a highly pleasurable manner.

Consider the following...I'm given a vehicle with unique abilities, a remote link to an endless dispatch-stream of problems my vehicle was specifically designed to solve, and spend the entire day (night actually) hopping from encounter to encounter...turning problems into solutions. Ethical purity defines my mission...to aid those who are stranded in the hazardous purgatory of a mechanical breakdown, or to restore traffic flow in the aftermath of car wrecks. Open ended and highly interpretable parameters define my method...prioritize the well-being of your client and his vehicle, in that order, as you deliver them to safety by whatever means necessary. How I combine my tools, ingenuity and experience to accomplish my mission is completely, inalienably, and critically up to me to determine. No two calls are identical, every client is a new face that I will serve once and never again. My task has no margin for error and I must perform it in environments ranging from potentially hazardous to extremely dangerous (I'm statistically more likely to be killed in the line of duty than the CHP officers I frequently assist). My methods are not critiqued by proxy after the fact because it is assumed I will employ logic and common sense for my own self-preservation if nothing else.

Logic and common sense....this is my religion for better or worse. I tow...I worship my gods.

Additionally, I need not promote my services, organization, nor maintain any sort of superior facade to stay ahead of my competition. I have no competition, and I'm providing the client with services their membership dues have already paid for. I render aid that doesn't involve a financial transaction. The lone exception is when the client makes a free-will decision to offer me a tip, which is not expected, encouraged, nor entrenched in reflexive traditionalism as an empty gesture. I always graciously accept these offerings with unwavering awareness of having earned them. Many of my clients are the type of folks for whom being stranded alone in a broken car on the side of the road in the dead of night is a harrowing experience. Sometimes my most essential skill of all is my ability to deliver people from fear to reassurance...an extraordinarily difficult task to accomplish on the side of the road at 3AM. Many a comrade of mine will lament upon how difficult it can be to keep yourself from becoming an additional source of fear to your client. Most of the tips I receive are attributable to my apparent ability to assume a comforting posture. Perhaps dealing with my kids in this aspect has allowed me to hone this skill...I tend more towards the idea that it's the result of having myself spent so much time alone in the dark on the side of the road. Like it says below my username...distant headlights. Hope speeding inbound to shatter the darkness. That's what I am, and it's as close to my vision of a perfect world as I can ever hope to get from within this irreparably fucked-up one.

All those dirty little secrets...Towing is INTP paradise. Who'd a thunk it through all the intellectualized ether of intipiquity, eh?

I don't know how to play games of higher learning with elitism, though it would have opened many paths of personal interest for me to pursue. Inexplicably, I can find no contentment as a paper professional in a society that worships arrogantly overpriced university degrees so religiously. For me it's not a carefully constructed philosophy...does my grammatical skill betray the fact that I dropped out of school in 9th grade? I feel like my entire childhood was spent being tested on my ability to stay within required parameters of rules, conformity, and traditionalist gestures. Having failed so miserably at those, I can't be anything society needs. My strengths were never relevant...I couldn't acquiesce to systematic academia's demand for temperance. Towing is what I had to fucking work with, so I did the best I could to make it work for ME. I define my occupation...it does not define me...and if I, who have never seen the inside of a high-school, can discover so many layers of contentment lying beneath such a presumptively shallow surface as towing, you, OP, can do the same thing even better.

Towing is freedom-defined for me. If it was anything less I wouldn't be getting paid to do it. Do you understand?


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I agree. But how is your judgement on the ratio of experience to purpose? In terms of actualization? In satisfaction?
Equal, as I've said. I don't mean a purpose for every action, I mean a fundamental purpose for all future actions.

There is nothing wrong with sitting
at home browsing wikipedia over
getting shitfaced and fucking some
ho.
I'm inclined to believe that people who "get shitfaced" and "fuck hos" are not in the same category of people who browse wikipedia.
 

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Point taken...but would that also apply to people who enjoy browsing wikipedia in uninterrupted 72 hour stretches while high on methamphetamine?
 

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Equal, as I've said. I don't mean a purpose for every action, I mean a fundamental purpose for all future actions.

Would you accept the idea of simply "experiencing"(or being stimulated) as a fundamental purpose?
 

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Equal? Then you completely disregard natural disposition! There's a reason why P's like to procrastinate and there's a reason why J's like to get the job done.

That's the way my psyche works, I am still allowed to respect them with equal importance. Yes, I like and prefer observing, and the "process", but I respect people who can turn information into knowledge and get results.

Would you accept the idea of simply "experiencing"(or being stimulated) as a fundamental purpose?
If your purpose is to experience, then that is your goal. It is completely acceptable.
 
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aquire 10 dollers buy a gram and perceed to smoke, on your mystical travels hop on boat destined to mexico, when docking, there will be a man by the name of pedro, he will be styling a big white mustach and a pancho. kick him in the nuts. he will give you anouther 10 dollers for doing so. buy anouther gram and smoke. now! find they drug dealer that made your chop and beg him to let you be his pet. if he accepts you can carry out the rest of your life as a pet of a drug dealer
 

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aquire 10 dollers buy a gram and perceed to smoke, on your mystical travels hop on boat destined to mexico, when docking, there will be a man by the name of pedro, he will be styling a big white mustach and a pancho. kick him in the nuts. he will give you anouther 10 dollers for doing so. buy anouther gram and smoke. now! find they drug dealer that made your chop and beg him to let you be his pet. if he accepts you can carry out the rest of your life as a pet of a drug dealer

You're wantonly violating your contractual obligations to your own username. You do realize how overrated self-parody is, correct?
 
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