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I'll outline this thread for concise readability:

My introduction, is that I'm an 18 year old male, and I believe myself to be a very intelligent, capable individual
The insight, is that while the personalities of others may be bothersome, and you may indeed be better and correct in your judgment of them, you should not let this influence your actions against them. They're living their worthless life just like you are.
The proposition is for any female INTPs who may suit my taste, particularly I'm suggesting that if you have any desire for getting to know me better, that this is something I am very interested in, and I encourage further communication.


In the past, I've always held close an idea that people grow up. They mature into responsible adults. Upon further investigation, I've learned that this is most often not the case. I have always wondered why it is that, at the age of 18, I am more intelligent than both of my parents combined. I have always been curious as to whether or not I will reach an age where I'll grow dumb, as the adults I have known are. In my own maturity, I've developed a particular disdain for feeling types, seeing their nature as a weakness, and in many ways, a plague. I have reached a conclusion that these people have no reasonable use in the world. They could be replaced entirely by thinking types, and the world would be a better place for it.

I feel a distinct sense of superiority. No - I don't believe it at all to be a feeling. I should be among like-minded individuals now, and I am curious to investigate further this personality type. At the risk of digressing further, I'll say now that, at least in this thread, I'll forget all sense of tact, and get straight to my point, as I would prefer.


For most of my life, I have been distant from the people around me. Unlike other people like myself, I have not had the good fortune to meet anyone that could share my ideas. Instead, even as a child, I would bewilder everyone I met with ideas beyond their grasp, even adults. I have developed a bitter disgust for people who use their brain so little that they can't understand simple concepts, and while even today I feel this way, I have grown to accept these people, with the understanding, and realization that all existence is ultimately pointless, and that my life is just as valid as the life of a less intellectual individual. I have matured, and the actions or stupidity of others do not bother me. I am in far too much control of myself, and I understand others far too well to be recognized as the cold, analytical person I am among those who wouldn't understand.


The downside to this is that it becomes difficult for similar individuals to recognize me. I play the part of a different type so well to avoid the bothersome scrutiny of lesser minds, that I may be recognized as something that I'm not. Luckily, I am benefited by a number of other traits. I have schizoid tendencies, and in my entire life I can count on one hand the number of times I've felt lonely, or felt I needed a relationship. Instead, I must be a god-like figure, perfectly analyzing all people, all systems. Constantly learning, and developing, with the idea that one day, I might become a perfect being. Of course, I get bored, which is ultimately my downfall, but perhaps one day I'll find some method to defeat boredom as I have my other emotions, a topic on which I have many things to say, but none of which are related to the point of this thread.


Because of my tendency to grow bored of things, and my non-existent desire for a relationship, I have deduced that the only logical goal is, ultimately, to find a like-minded intellectual of the opposite sex, whom I find attractive in my strange ways. With these two great minds, the effectiveness of both would increase dramatically. The qualities of one would compliment the other in such a way that we would be perfect, almost machine-like in our creation of things. I desire this. Also I need someone to dress in gothic lolita.
 

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Am I supposed to take this seriously?

If the intention is serious of nature my amusement would be entirely valid.

Though, I can commend you for being articulated.
 

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Wow, who dropped a J bomb in here?

*Wow*

May I direct you this way sir?

www.intjforum.com

I might also add, that a feeling of superiority is more likely present in less intelligent humans than more intelligent ones.;)

(Oh, sorry, I understand you're clearly insecure because no-one but you recognises your brilliance, hence your desire to hastily point out that you operate under a *false type*. My apologies. You are astounding. Happy now?)
 

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Well this is a blast from the past, you're certainly more confident & blunt that I was, but there's some definite similarities, oh man you really went all out then didn't you *face-palm & groan* and save me the defensive rant, I already know it.

In fact don’t take offence to anything that’s been said thus far, I know they’re being dicks but you’ll understand why soon enough, and being a dick back only riles them up.

May I direct your attention to the Nihilism thread, evidently you haven't read it yet, and, um, oh this is awkward, I want to help you but I'm trying to figure out how to do that without being an astounding hypocrite.

Everyone piss-off for a second, I apologise, but if you could just delay what you've got to say until I've had a constructive conversation with this guy, thank you.
 

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*Points*

His highly illogical thesis and subsequent introduction tell of a highly despicable raison d’être and no insight short of base sexual attraction and a desire to defile young female forumers.
Furthermore his massive ego fails to support itself with his rather bland style and so far blatantly average intelligence, which you Cognisant, do not appear to have, thus we forgive you.
Urh...

What I mean to say is.
‘He started it!
 

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In the past, I've always held close an idea that people grow up. They mature into responsible adults. Upon further investigation, I've learned that this is most often not the case. I have always wondered why it is that, at the age of 18, I am more intelligent than both of my parents combined.
I am even going to try defending your parents... nah.
Yeah parents can be idiots, hell they can put idiots to shame, but be careful with the label "idiot", or you'll make an idiot of yourself, I am speaking from experience btw.
I would be very much surprised if they're complete idiots, I and I'm aware I'm probably speaking to deaf ears, but ask yourself, please, how fair are your expectations?

In my own maturity, I've developed a particular disdain for feeling types, seeing their nature as a weakness, and in many ways, a plague. I have reached a conclusion that these people have no reasonable use in the world. They could be replaced entirely by thinking types, and the world would be a better place for it.
Egh, I know that argument like I know my arms & legs, and yes they can be very annoying, but they aren’t entirely invalid, argh damn we really need to be having this conversation in a modern art gallery.
I'm going to have to teach you an appreciation for subjectivity.
Either you just will not listen to me at all, or you're really going to enjoy this.

I feel a distinct sense of superiority. No - I don't believe it at all to be a feeling. I should be among like-minded individuals now, and I am curious to investigate further this personality type. At the risk of digressing further, I'll say now that, at least in this thread, I'll forget all sense of tact, and get straight to my point, as I would prefer.
Meh, you recognise you're not being tactful, kudos for that, and if your ego is too big, well there's nothing I can say that'll change that, your opinion of yourself is more important to you than others opinions of you, and such a self-derived ego is remarkably resilient, it's the sort I use and I'm perfectly happy with it, and if you're crossing the line between confident and narcissist, well I figure you'll figure that out for yourself.
Btw kudos for being direct, I may be one of the few who can appreciate it though.

For most of my life, I have been distant from the people around me. Unlike other people like myself, I have not had the good fortune to meet anyone that could share my ideas. Instead, even as a child, I would bewilder everyone I met with ideas beyond their grasp, even adults. I have developed a bitter disgust for people who use their brain so little that they can't understand simple concepts, and while even today I feel this way, I have grown to accept these people, with the understanding, and realization that all existence is ultimately pointless, and that my life is just as valid as the life of a less intellectual individual. I have matured, and the actions or stupidity of others do not bother me. I am in far too much control of myself, and I understand others far too well to be recognized as the cold, analytical person I am among those who wouldn't understand.
Welcome, you're going to enjoy this place and do a lot of growing here, there's bits here and there I can see people are going to jump on, but it's all part of the mind sharpening/tempering process, try not to begrudge them, you've got potential.

I have schizoid tendencies, and in my entire life I can count on one hand the number of times I've felt lonely, or felt I needed a relationship. Instead, I must be a god-like figure, perfectly analyzing all people, all systems. Constantly learning, and developing, with the idea that one day, I might become a perfect being. Of course, I get bored, which is ultimately my downfall, but perhaps one day I'll find some method to defeat boredom as I have my other emotions, a topic on which I have many things to say, but none of which are related to the point of this thread.
I bet you like robots :D
We're going to have some fun discussing Transhumanism.
Got a plan for immortality/life-extension yet?

As for denying one's emotions, eh you'll grow tired pitting who & what you are against each other, there's not much I can do to fast-track that.

Because of my tendency to grow bored of things, and my non-existent desire for a relationship, I have deduced that the only logical goal is, ultimately, to find a like-minded intellectual of the opposite sex, whom I find attractive in my strange ways. With these two great minds, the effectiveness of both would increase dramatically. The qualities of one would compliment the other in such a way that we would be perfect, almost machine-like in our creation of things. I desire this.
I am not teaching you what I've figured out about women on a open thread.
Don't get me wrong, I agree entirely with what you're after, but such things need subtly.

Also I need someone to dress in gothic lolita.
Tasteful, very tasteful.
I gather you're also sick of over-flaunting, mystery ruining, modern fashion?
 

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Okay guys, now you can tear into him.

Though he'll probably just shrug you off now that there's been some semblance of a proper welcoming sentiment, or if that doesn’t suffice *gives Imrfected a mace*

We condone role-played violence here :D
 

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Dear imrinfected,

contrary to popular opinion, intpforum.com is nota dating platform. If you are interested in dating based on typolgy, I suggest you to visit www.personalitycafe.com , a board dedicated to this very purpose.

yours sincerely,
Anthile
 

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Ha, look at Cog there, trying to get himself a boyfriend.

I thought he made his sexuality pretty clear Cogi-san, why go to all the bother?


Can I be the first to shout the ever-persistant and currently cliché cry of 'FACE ALERT!'?
 

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I don't think so, Face was trying to start a cult or something to that effect in order to bolster his dwindling ego, this guy's just lonely and bored, I suspect he half expected this to go horribly, only posting for the possibility that it might not.

Ha, look at Cog there, trying to get himself a boyfriend.
I thought he made his sexuality pretty clear Cogi-san, why go to all the bother?
Geez stop being so possessive :D
 

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Uh, excuse me?

Do you want to take this outside?

I have a mace in the back of the car, and it wouldn't take long to spill your brains.


Yes, and Face is forever know to return briefly to make swooping statements while dropping hints about himself.

Notice also the utter love of self, and nonsensical rationalising of his own faults.

Such as 'I'm more intelligent than everyone. This however, is not recognised by anyone! Rather than this being my fault, it is the fault of everyone else. I am merely being forced into a persona which appears unintelligent. I'm brilliant really, honest'

The downside to this is that it becomes difficult for similar individuals to recognize me. I play the part of a different type so well to avoid the bothersome scrutiny of lesser minds, that I may be recognized as something that I'm not. Luckily, I am benefited by a number of other traits.

I feel a distinct sense of superiority.

If not Face, this is a highly similar individual who I will be keeping an eye on.

If my assumptions are correct, he will react in a certain way.

I shall pm this to you Cog, I owe you a few I think.
 

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OOOh I get to use the smiley I found the other day!

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The downside to this is that it becomes difficult for similar individuals to recognize me.

What, you don't know the secret intellectual handshake? Oh... I'm so sorry.

... and my non-existent desire for a relationship, (... proceeds to describe a relationship ...) I desire this. Also I need someone to dress in gothic lolita.

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Oh, and cog dearest, *sits cog on a couch and passes him a cushion* please pretend to be a little more civilized and make an effort to mask your raging enthusiasm.
 

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I should also point out, as a major hint, that this is the worst possible way to attract a female.

Maybe a brain dead Esfj...

But the INTP female, as dark and terrible as the night, to whom all mortals are tools and all feelings merely ideas?

God no.

You have to present yourself as intellectual and vaguely pleasant.

Not swing your ego round the room;P
 

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Oh, and cog dearest, *sits cog on a couch and passes him a cushion* please pretend to be a little more civilized and make an effort to mask your raging enthusiasm.
I despair, to see you lowering yourself to Melkor's standards.
How the mighty have fallen.
 

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Who do you think Tekton learned to bad from?

Jesus?

Me of course.

Also Cog, who said I wasn't mighty?
 

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Your mum.

I just couldn't resist.
 
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This forum is a bit more active than I expected.

I am very intrigued by this response to my tactlessness, it's far different from the responses I would get from other types of people.

Starting from the bottom up..
I should also point out, as a major hint, that this is the worst possible way to attract a female.
I think you misunderstand my intentions. As I said before, I have schizoid tendencies, so it's not out of sexual attraction or need that I brought that up. In truth, I would be happy alone. It's my yearning for a higher level of understanding that attracts me to a relationship with another INTP. A direct, honest connection with someone of a similar mind would be very beneficial for both parties, intellectually. I know how to attract a woman, but I would prefer not to tiptoe around the subject, and thought it was better to be direct.

Furthermore, I don't know this "Face" individual, but I am now intrigued as to who it is, and whether or not my reactions play out the way you expect.


I bet you like robots :D
We're going to have some fun discussing Transhumanism.
Got a plan for immortality/life-extension yet?
I'm not entirely concerned with immortality or life extension. I understand myself to be little more than a construct of matter, energy, and more importantly, information. I have long abandoned the idea that I have anything unique worth preserving. Instead, the defining characteristic of myself are unimportant memories. So long as there is a thinking brain in the world, I feel I already am immortal. The laws of thermodynamics(With the exception of Arrow of Time theory, which I believe is underdeveloped/incorrect) dictate that nothing is ever destroyed, but instead separated temporarily. Everything must return to its original state, and the same is true for humans.

Alternatively, I thought about trying my hand at developing some kind of AI.

As for denying one's emotions, eh you'll grow tired pitting who & what you are against each other, there's not much I can do to fast-track that.
I don't deny my emotions in the slightest. That would go against my very nature. I understand them, and as inferior aspects of myself, they are negligible.

I am not teaching you what I've figured out about women on a open thread.
Don't get me wrong, I agree entirely with what you're after, but such things need subtly.
Do the people here value subtly?

Tasteful, very tasteful.
I gather you're also sick of over-flaunting, mystery ruining, modern fashion?
You are correct.
 

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Want to know what your mother said?

Well, it involved her mouth, but no words.
 

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Hmmm

And Now for something Completely different....

Face was a Narcissistic Troll, that fancied itself to be a genius... Not necessarily a bad thing, except it delighted in causing confusion and destruction...

Tact is for those who plan to manipulate Others, IMO. 'Tactless' and 'brutally honest' may two symbols that reflect the same state of sincerity.

Relative intelligence is not a good method to measure the worth of humans.

Nihilism is for cowards who fear making an irrational leap of Faith.

Words are symbols, not real, just figments of imagination - as is the fantasy that anyone ever understands the message implied by the choice of One's words
 
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Hmmm

And Now for something Completely different....

Face was a Narcissistic Troll, that fancied itself to be a genius... Not necessarily a bad thing, except it delighted in causing confusion and destruction...

Tact is for those who plan to manipulate Others, IMO. 'Tactless' and 'brutally honest' may two symbols that reflect the same state of sincerity.

Relative intelligence is not a good method to measure the worth of humans.

Nihilism is for cowards who fear making an irrational leap of Faith.

Words are symbols, not real, just figments of imagination - as is the fantasy that anyone ever understands the message implied by the choice of One's words
Language is a method of communication, and little more than that. It does however communicate a great deal more than people initially take in. I find myself very careless in that regard, but nevertheless I've become good at communicating what others need to hear. I do see it as manipulation, and perhaps that's why I dislike it so much. Such dishonesty seems detrimental to growth.

With that said, I much prefer to be in the company of people who don't care about conveyed emotions as much as I.

I do however believe that intelligence is an accurate way to judge a person. Potential should also be factored in. There is a great deal of people in this world that have no use to anyone else, and would only benefit others if they were to die. Humans are nothing if not for their intelligence, and smarter humans are better than dumber humans just as any human is better than an animal. A dumb creature may mindlessly fill one role well, but a smart one may fill any they wish to, or need to. Intelligence does dictate usefulness. Considering any important role could be filled by a smart creature better than a dumb one, there's nothing else that does dictate usefulness except for intelligence.

I disagree with you on nihilism. Perhaps there is cowardice in it, but whether or not, the question is still adamant: Is it accurate? I believe so. A "leap of faith" as you describe it is careless, and foolish, and smart individuals are wise to be afraid of taking said measure.
 

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The concept of Utility is rarely spoken of - too bad.

I differ with you, the Powers-that-Be have always preferred mindless lackeys. Intelligence has always been a threat to the status quo. Therefore, might I suggest that any measure of "Intelligence" promoted by the institutions of the status quo is not really intelligence? But rather some arbitrary skill valued by the ruling class?

Stupidity is highly valued by those who are at the top of the hierarchy. We bred intelligence out of horses a long time ago to make them compliant Servants, willing to carry a rider into a forest of spears in a battle or to drag a plow round and round a field.

We are currently breeding out the trait of true intelligence from humans as well - the birth rate of the "Stupid" is 15 times higher that the birth rate of the "Intelligent". Intelligent women are being discouraged from breeding...

The utility of language is something of a myth. 67 to 93% of all information available during a face-to-face conversation is nonverbal 'communication'...

As far as courage and faith, Where is the dividing line between taking necessary risk and unnecessary risk that would differentiate courage from stupidity?

Everyone uses faith. The courage is to have faith in something that one can not understand or control. It is very easy to understand and control Nihilism, so there is absolutely no potential threat or risk in being a Nihilist - it is a nice, safe dream to entertain...
 

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I see, asexual intellect.

Then you are forgiven.

Out of curiousity though, if this isn't about sexuality, and you are a male, why must it be a female?

After all, the female Intp has what the world calls a 'male' thought pattern.

If you're looking for mere mind to mind contact, then why is gender important?

(Come now, admit you want some bewbies, nothing wrong with that:P)
 
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I see, asexual intellect.

Then you are forgiven.

Out of curiousity though, if this isn't about sexuality, and you are a male, why must it be a female?

After all, the female Intp has what the world calls a 'male' thought pattern.

If you're looking for mere mind to mind contact, then why is gender important?

(Come now, admit you want some bewbies, nothing wrong with that:P)
Primarily, like I said, I want to dress said person up in Gothic Lolita and look at them a lot. I guess I could get a male to do that, but I doubt many people would understand or tolerate it. Females are more pleasant to me, anyway. Additionally, at some point in my life I may consider reproduction, in which case I will need a female.

The concept of Utility is rarely spoken of - too bad.

I differ with you, the Powers-that-Be have always preferred mindless lackeys. Intelligence has always been a threat to the status quo. Therefore, might I suggest that any measure of "Intelligence" promoted by the institutions of the status quo is not really intelligence? But rather some arbitrary skill valued by the ruling class?

Stupidity is highly valued by those who are at the top of the hierarchy. We bred intelligence out of horses a long time ago to make them compliant Servants, willing to carry a rider into a forest of spears in a battle or to drag a plow round and round a field.

We are currently breeding out the trait of true intelligence from humans as well - the birth rate of the "Stupid" is 15 times higher that the birth rate of the "Intelligent". Intelligent women are being discouraged from breeding...

I agree that the less intelligent are workhorses, cannon fodder, and generally used in this regard, but it's the intelligent that may disestablish the corrupt and inefficient system that you speak of, and there are many, many cases throughout history where this has been the case. If not for the intelligent, all humans would suffer. If not for the less intelligent, those with a level of intellect between that and something greater would suffer, and they would do so deserving it.

The more intelligent are a threat to the less intelligent in positions of power, yes, but for good reason. The intelligent will take over this position of power, ushering forth a better, more efficient world, and the least intelligent are of no real use.

The utility of language is something of a myth. 67 to 93% of all information available during a face-to-face conversation is nonverbal 'communication'...
This is true.

As far as courage and faith, Where is the dividing line between taking necessary risk and unnecessary risk that would differentiate courage from stupidity?

Everyone uses faith. The courage is to have faith in something that one can not understand or control. It is very easy to understand and control Nihilism, so there is absolutely no potential threat or risk in being a Nihilist - it is a nice, safe dream to entertain...
Everything can be understood and controlled, as we live in a deterministic universe. There is no need for faith.
 

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Oh dear, there is so much I'd want to say to you, but you probably wouldn't listen, so I'll limit myself to: "Welcome" and "I hope you grow up one day"
 

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Language is a method of communication, and little more than that. It does however communicate a great deal more than people initially take in. I find myself very careless in that regard, but nevertheless I've become good at communicating what others need to hear. I do see it as manipulation, and perhaps that's why I dislike it so much. Such dishonesty seems detrimental to growth.

Language is not manipulation. It can be used for manipulation, yes, but is not manipulation. It is a tool. You say language is a method of communication, I say language is the method for communication, as language is the only way to communicate, or in other words, it is the term for communication. For how else can the communication between animals and humans alike be defined? No other way.

With that said, I much prefer to be in the company of people who don't care about conveyed emotions as much as I.

I disagree. Before the human relationship thread was moved to a lower sub-forum, it was one of the most viewed threads. We may not deal with emotions as much as other people, but we are not emotionless.

I do however believe that intelligence is an accurate way to judge a person. Potential should also be factored in. There is a great deal of people in this world that have no use to anyone else, and would only benefit others if they were to die. Humans are nothing if not for their intelligence, and smarter humans are better than dumber humans just as any human is better than an animal. A dumb creature may mindlessly fill one role well, but a smart one may fill any they wish to, or need to. Intelligence does dictate usefulness. Considering any important role could be filled by a smart creature better than a dumb one, there's nothing else that does dictate usefulness except for intelligence.

No it is not. A bunch of dim-wits with a lot of drive can accomplish a shit-load of stuff. For what army will win in the war? An army blindly driven or an intelligent army who is hesitant? Tactics may come into play, but it will mean nothing if no one wants to do it, for most of the time, tactics involve sacrifices.
You do not have to be intelligent to be successful. Take the dinosaurs, they relied solely on brute strength, yet they dominated the entire world for millions of years before finally becoming eradicated by a meteor. Heck, take the entire world as an example. The leaders are not always the smartest.


I disagree with you on nihilism. Perhaps there is cowardice in it, but whether or not, the question is still adamant: Is it accurate? I believe so. A "leap of faith" as you describe it is careless, and foolish, and smart individuals are wise to be afraid of taking said measure.

Explain please. Also, I would in other situations question your arrogance, you cockiness, and high above all, your intelligence. However, I will leave this subject dormant for the time being, for peace's sake.
 

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Primarily, like I said, I want to dress said person up in Gothic Lolita and look at them a lot. I guess I could get a male to do that, but I doubt many people would understand or tolerate it. Females are more pleasant to me, anyway. Additionally, at some point in my life I may consider reproduction, in which case I will need a female.

Reproduction? Why? For an intelligent person, have you not considered the amount of work needed for a child, the restraint of freedom you have, and the benefits you will not reap? Also, though over-population may not be absolute, it is still a possibility.

And it seems to me you view other humans as objects for your desire. Why? Already you strike me as a manipulative person.

I agree that the less intelligent are workhorses, cannon fodder, and generally used in this regard, but it's the intelligent that may disestablish the corrupt and inefficient system that you speak of, and there are many, many cases throughout history where this has been the case. If not for the intelligent, all humans would suffer. If not for the less intelligent, those with a level of intellect between that and something greater would suffer, and they would do so deserving it.

This is not the case. Look at the Indians. Their way of life has not changed at all, yet they were happy...until technology settled in their world. The intelligent did not set rules for them, the intelligent did not set a government for them, yet they united and lived in harmony...and thrived.
You forget that the intelligent can cause great harm as well. Look at history, and you will see that the intelligent with similar views as yours caused irreversible damage.
No, the world can live without the intelligent. True, intelligent people has brought many things...but has also destroyed many things.
What about science, what about mathematics, what about philosophy? We can live without these. In fact, I must say that bringing these into the world made it such that no one who knew these could not survive. In many ways, the intelligent has caused many to suffer as well.
Your views disgust me, that is all I can say.

The more intelligent are a threat to the less intelligent in positions of power, yes, but for good reason. The intelligent will take over this position of power, ushering forth a better, more efficient world, and the least intelligent are of no real use.

How do you know? How do you know? Look at Germany, look at Russia, fuck it, look at all of the corrupt leaderships in WWII. All of them were highly intelligent, but look at what the fuck they did.

This is true.


Everything can be understood and controlled, as we live in a deterministic universe. There is no need for faith.

Yes there is. Less intelligent people need something to put their faith in, and as a highly intelligent person, surely you knew that?
 

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This, everyone, is a perfect example of an INTP who fully embraces how horridly developed they are. All Ti and Si, and nothing else.

Imrinfected: Do you have any idea how weak you have made yourself? You are so overly logical that it has come full circle and become irrational stupidity. Rejecting your emotions is rejecting a part of the human apparatus that will give you an edge in survival that now don't have. You are currently using only half (if not less) of what you are capable of.
There is no such thing as a useless cognitive function, everything humans do is a useful mechanism in their survival.
The INTP who has mastered their shadow (a part of which is our emotions) will always have an edge that the INTP who rejected them does not.

Basically Imrinfected, you have cut off one of your limbs and are claiming you are stronger because of it.
 
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This, everyone, is a perfect example of an INTP who fully embraces how horridly developed they are. All Ti and Si, and nothing else.

Imrinfected: Do you have any idea how weak you have made yourself? You are so overly logical that it has come full circle and become irrational stupidity. Rejecting your emotions is rejecting a part of the human apparatus that will give you an edge in survival that now don't have. You are currently using only half (if not less) of what you are capable of.
There is no such thing as a useless cognitive function, everything humans do is a useful mechanism in their survival.
The INTP who has mastered their shadow (a part of which is our emotions) will always have an edge that the INTP who rejected them does not.

Basically Imrinfected, you have cut off one of your limbs and are claiming you are stronger because of it.
I am a perfect example of an imperfect person? I can see now how well developed emotionally you must be yourself, to be so condescending when it's completely unnecessary.
You are making a wrong assumption about me, and I understand why you think that, but ultimately your point here is moot, and flawed. Whether or not I am irrational, I have not demonstrated this, and you are making an assumption based on patterns you have observed in the past, which would normally be accurate enough, but not in this situation. I also believe I may be at fault for your inaccurate assumption, for structuring my post in a misleading way.

I am in fact a very well rounded person. I am well developed intellectually as well as emotionally, and this would be demonstrated if I had chosen to use any tact for this thread. Instead I come off as someone totally denying their emotions, and considering I stated from the beginning that I was not going to use any tact when posting in this thread, you should have understood that. Furthermore, you are suggesting that the human form is without useless parts, which is untrue.

Before I continue, however, I'd like you to give examples for your assumptions. Where have I demonstrated that I reject my emotions? Where have I demonstrated that I am irrational, and stupid? I would like to explain myself whatever examples you may come up with, as I feel some things are lost in communication here. Additionally, if you do come up with examples to share with me, please also explain why emotions are not to be rejected other than "Because it's part of the human apparatus" which I have previously explained is incredibly imperfect. I am interesting in hearing what you have to say on that.


Language is not manipulation. It can be used for manipulation, yes, but is not manipulation.
I believe you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I feel like being less direct is being manipulative. That is, I feel that way, and I understand that is not the case, and thus I am fully capable of being tactful.

I disagree. Before the human relationship thread was moved to a lower sub-forum, it was one of the most viewed threads.
You disagree that I prefer the company of less emotional people.. ? How does that work, exactly?

No it is not. A bunch of dim-wits with a lot of drive can accomplish a shit-load of stuff.
Only when being led by an intelligent individual. Emotional people are the hesitant ones, not intellectual types.

Also.. Your dinosaur analogy? Dude what? The dinosaurs weren't successful. What did they dinosaurs do? Seriously. What.

I do however agree, leaders are not the smartest, and that is because emotional people are let into positions of power.

Explain please.
I believe I explained quite sufficiently, but I'll rephrase if that will suit you. Faith has no worth where accurate knowledge is available, and pursuit of said knowledge should always be the foremost goal, rather than becoming more faithful. We live in a deterministic universe, and if we know the outcome of our actions, we don't need faith to make the best decision. If I knew something I would do would result in my death, I would not do that thing. The poster I was replying to suggested that using knowledge exclusively is cowardly, when in fact it's the best way to make the best decision.

Reproduction? Why?
A few reasons. Firstly, this generation of parents are awful, and I would take it upon myself to raise a good, smart, and healthy human, rather than the fool that parents today create. I also find that it would be an interesting experience to construct a human, and indeed the only way to learn much about it is to actually be a parent. I have little interest in having a child at the moment, but my active interests quickly change.

I do not view humans as objects, but instead I don't view them as the awesome thing that people typically do. Humans are organic constructs of matter and energy. They, including I, are of much less worth than most would like to believe.

This is not the case. Look at the Indians. Their way of life has not changed at all, yet they were happy

They were? Because I recall them constantly killing each other.

How do you know? How do you know? Look at Germany, look at Russia, fuck it, look at all of the corrupt leaderships in WWII. All of them were highly intelligent, but look at what the fuck they did.

Not smart enough. Then more intelligent people disestablished their rule, a point I made in the very thing you're replying to.

Yes there is. Less intelligent people need something to put their faith in[/QUOTE]
Less intelligent people, yes. They may put their faith in more intelligent people.

For intelligent people, faith is worthless.

there is so much I'd want to say to you, but you probably wouldn't listen
There's not much chance of me listening then, since you haven't said what you want to.
 

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I agree that the less intelligent are workhorses, cannon fodder, and generally used in this regard, but it's the intelligent that may disestablish the corrupt and inefficient system that you speak of, and there are many, many cases throughout history where this has been the case. If not for the intelligent, all humans would suffer. If not for the less intelligent, those with a level of intellect between that and something greater would suffer, and they would do so deserving it.
The more intelligent are a threat to the less intelligent in positions of power, yes, but for good reason. The intelligent will take over this position of power, ushering forth a better, more efficient world, and the least intelligent are of no real use.

Your 'intelligents' would have to all have the same ideas of how things should go to avoid conflict, leaving brain-washing of some sort at least as their alternative to the same old wars. Not exactly a stable system.

Unacknowledged or trivialised emotions are crippling. Speaking from experience, they just fester and insidiously eat away at you until you adress them. Less poetically put, it's shooting yourself in both feet before an ultramarathon.
 

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I'm not telling you, stalker! :P
I believe you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I feel like being less direct is being manipulative. That is, I feel that way, and I understand that is not the case, and thus I am fully capable of being tactful.

Being less direct does not necessarily mean manipulative. It can be used as manipulation, but it is not. I hope I don't have to explain this, as if you are really as intelligent as you are, you will think about it yourself.

You disagree that I prefer the company of less emotional people.. ? How does that work, exactly?

Think about it. What satisfaction would you gain from a computer-like person? Computers are highly intelligent. Yet, they are stone-cold, dead. They can provide intellectually stimulating conversations, but humans need love. They need people, no matter how introverted they are.

Only when being led by an intelligent individual. Emotional people are the hesitant ones, not intellectual types.

Yet, emotion can be stronger than intellect. Emotional people can be hesitant, but if they believe that they are doing the right thing, they can accomplish far more than intelligent people. And they are very likely to. After all, without emotional people, intelligent people cannot do anything. What can they do, if no one listens to them?

Intelligent people naturally doubt and question authority. They can do stuff, but nowhere as effective as emotional stupid people. Without emotional stupid people, do you think that humans have accomplished this much?

Also.. Your dinosaur analogy? Dude what? The dinosaurs weren't successful. What did they dinosaurs do? Seriously. What.

They survived. They thrived. THINK! It doesn't matter what they didn't accomplish, what matters is that they accomplished a lot. WE ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THEM. We thrived, we dominated all the other animals, THE ONLY THING DIFFERENCE WAS THAT WE DOMINATED DIFFERENTLY.
Yes, I agree that intelligence is what brought us to be to very top. But, and a very big but, it doesn't mean that we are the best, because brute strength can easily do the job too.

I do however agree, leaders are not the smartest, and that is because emotional people are let into positions of power.

But so are intelligent people. The only reason why people have power is because we give them power. It's because we listen to them. If we stop listening to them, they will lose all their power.

I believe I explained quite sufficiently, but I'll rephrase if that will suit you. Faith has no worth where accurate knowledge is available, and pursuit of said knowledge should always be the foremost goal, rather than becoming more faithful. We live in a deterministic universe, and if we know the outcome of our actions, we don't need faith to make the best decision. If I knew something I would do would result in my death, I would not do that thing. The poster I was replying to suggested that using knowledge exclusively is cowardly, when in fact it's the best way to make the best decision.

Yet faith can accomplish a shit-load of things. Look at Christianity. As flawed as it was, it started out with 3% of the population to becoming the most dominant religion. It thrived under persecution, overthrown the Romans, delayed Science for thousands of years. It is not perfect, but when used correctly, capable of mass-propaganda and manipulation, capable to do anything.


Look at Ghandi. By religion alone, they overthrown the salt policy. Look at at America in World War II. Religion played a BIG part in the war, I doubt we would have won without it. Without drive, without religion, we can accomplish nothing. NOTHING. Effort > Intelligence, Drive>Clarity. It is a proven fact, though (Intelligence + Effort > Effort) and (Drive+Clarity> Drive). It was by pure drive alone that people can will themselves to die, it is by drive alone that Joseph and his tribe of Indians killed four units of US infantry. Intelligence played a part in that, but it was only through the drive to survive that allowed the Indians to accomplish such a great feet.


A few reasons. Firstly, this generation of parents are awful, and I would take it upon myself to raise a good, smart, and healthy human, rather than the fool that parents today create. I also find that it would be an interesting experience to construct a human, and indeed the only way to learn much about it is to actually be a parent. I have little interest in having a child at the moment, but my active interests quickly change.

Yes, I agree, the generation of parents today are horrible. Yes, I agree, many citizens are bound by useless rules and traditions, and do not think for themselves. But think about their value! Think about what they have achieved! They are far from useless. They are essential. We need balance, if everyone was intelligent, who would do the work?

I do not view humans as objects, but instead I don't view them as the awesome thing that people typically do. Humans are organic constructs of matter and energy. They, including I, are of much less worth than most would like to believe.

Yet, beneath that constant chemical reaction that keeps us alive, we are human beings. Intelligent humans are no more valuable than un-intelligent beings. We are all chemical structures at heart, are intelligence is something WE CANNOT CONTROL. You say as if the un-intelligent are the cause of all our problems. Nay. It is the intelligent, their wrong intentions and their manipulative ways that cause all of this.

They were? Because I recall them constantly killing each other.

Explain.

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Not smart enough. Then more intelligent people disestablished their rule, a point I made in the very thing you're replying to.

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Yes there is. Less intelligent people need something to put their faith in[/QUOTE]
Less intelligent people, yes. They may put their faith in more intelligent people.

For intelligent people, faith is worthless.


There's not much chance of me listening then, since you haven't said what you want to.
 

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LoL. Welcome to the thread. Perhaps you should employ more tact from now on? We've discovered your intentions and so now we'd like to know who you are. Or not. Its up to you.
 

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I'm not telling you, stalker! :P
I am a perfect example of an imperfect person? I can see now how well developed emotionally you must be yourself, to be so condescending when it's completely unnecessary.
You are making a wrong assumption about me, and I understand why you think that, but ultimately your point here is moot, and flawed. Whether or not I am irrational, I have not demonstrated this, and you are making an assumption based on patterns you have observed in the past, which would normally be accurate enough, but not in this situation. I also believe I may be at fault for your inaccurate assumption, for structuring my post in a misleading way.

You are irrational. Everyone is irrational. The fact that I am able to point out the logical flaws in your argument is proof that you are not as perfectly logical as you think. And here's the funny part. I'm 14. You are 4 years older than me, and yet I can look at you and shake my head. However, take comfort in the fact that you are not the only 18 year old to be immature.

Here's this. You think he is inaccurate. Okay. Explain how you are accurate. If we cannot find any logical inconsistencies in your explanation, we will fully accept you as more intelligent than all of us.

I am in fact a very well rounded person. I am well developed intellectually as well as emotionally, and this would be demonstrated if I had chosen to use any tact for this thread. Instead I come off as someone totally denying their emotions, and considering I stated from the beginning that I was not going to use any tact when posting in this thread, you should have understood that. Furthermore, you are suggesting that the human form is without useless parts, which is untrue.

Only two words: prove it. Show pictures of your real life, show certificates of your genius intellect, show how emotionally mature you are, show everything. Explain how the human form is with useless part, explain why and how. Because without the above, there is no point of arguing against this.

Before I continue, however, I'd like you to give examples for your assumptions. Where have I demonstrated that I reject my emotions? Where have I demonstrated that I am irrational, and stupid? I would like to explain myself whatever examples you may come up with, as I feel some things are lost in communication here. Additionally, if you do come up with examples to share with me, please also explain why emotions are not to be rejected other than "Because it's part of the human apparatus" which I have previously explained is incredibly imperfect. I am interesting in hearing what you have to say on that.

Right now. Your arrogance and cock-sure attitude has established that you are not as intelligent as you think you are. There are countless possibilities, including that you are actually stupid, or that you are mis-led or that you are wrong. Have you considered them? No? Then you are not as intelligent as you think. For isn't that intelligent people naturally see possibilities? Truly intelligent people know how worth-less they are, how they know that it is impossible to speak in absolute truths unless they knew everything (Albert Einstein). You clearly don't.
And as with emotion, I have explained such with my past posts.

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Your 'intelligents' would have to all have the same ideas of how things should go to avoid conflict, leaving brain-washing of some sort at least as their alternative to the same old wars. Not exactly a stable system.

Unacknowledged or trivialised emotions are crippling. Speaking from experience, they just fester and insidiously eat away at you until you adress them. Less poetically put, it's shooting yourself in both feet before an ultramarathon.
Thinking people as opposed to feeling are typically rational individuals, and handle their position far better than their feeling counterparts. This is evident throughout history.

I do understand what you mean, though. You're right; emotions can be detrimental to self-improvement if kept unchecked and understood. Among emotional people however, they have under developed thought, and thus are in an even worse position than an intellectual to improve on their counterpart. "Feeling" your way through a situation is much less efficient, and ultimately unreliable, and thus inferior to logical thought. Thus, thinking individuals as opposed to feeling ones are better in positions of power. Intellectuals have reliable logic and information to guide them into being more developed emotionally, whereas an emotional person has unreliable and ultimately foolish faith, which is why it's far more uncommon for feeling people to be developed intellectually than for a thinking individual to be developed emotionally.

We understand that we need to improve on lacking aspects of ourselves. Feeling types don't.
 

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I'm not telling you, stalker! :P
Thinking people as opposed to feeling are typically rational individuals, and handle their position far better than their feeling counterparts. This is evident throughout history.

No. Wrong. Many times, things throughout history are accomplished through emotions...Fuck! Do I have to explain this all over again? Go back and read my past posts damn it.

I do understand what you mean, though. You're right; emotions can be detrimental to self-improvement if kept unchecked and understood. Among emotional people however, they have under developed thought, and thus are in an even worse position than an intellectual to improve on their counterpart. "Feeling" your way through a situation is much less efficient, and ultimately unreliable, and thus inferior to logical thought. Thus, thinking individuals as opposed to feeling ones are better in positions of power. Intellectuals have reliable logic and information to guide them into being more developed emotionally, whereas an emotional person has unreliable and ultimately foolish faith, which is why it's far more uncommon for feeling people to be developed intellectually than for a thinking individual to be developed emotionally.

Then what of situations involving instant decisions? There is no time to think logically, there is no time to consider all the options. The only thing that can be relied on is instinct and feeling. Yes, feeling your way through a situation can be inefficient, but so can thinking your way through a situation. It works through both ways. For what can you hope to rally up thousands with just logical thinking? For what hope can you make precise decisions with just feelings?
Logic can guide more developed emotions, but emotions can also guide more logic, as emotions can be used as a desire to make better decisions, to make smarter decisions, to be efficient.
And faith....read my last posts. I do not like to repeat myself.
And your last bit, isn't it as uncommon for thinking people to develop emotionally? What do you have to support your thesis?

We understand that we need to improve on lacking aspects of ourselves. Feeling types don't.

Proof and evidence. They are your burden as of the moment.
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You need faith to trust knowledge is accurate, your argument's circular. If I remember well the widely-accepted quantum mechanics have inbuilt unpredictability.

I have matured, and the actions or stupidity of others do not bother me.
Weren't you complaining about them just now?

I've developed a particular disdain for feeling types, seeing their nature as a weakness, and in many ways, a plague. I have reached a conclusion that these people have no reasonable use in the world. They could be replaced entirely by thinking types, and the world would be a better place for it.

That world would be horrible. No one'd make you hot chocolate for a start. :D

I don't deny my emotions in the slightest. That would go against my very nature. I understand them, and as inferior aspects of myself, they are negligible.
If those two above are emotionally healthy I'll eat my hat. They're not, just so you know.

Tactfulness is not an indicator of emotional health btw. You can be tactful and eg: horribly repressed and neurotic, or tactless and eg: happily wearing your heart on your sleeve.
 
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Also I need someone to dress in gothic lolita.

Derpy derp durp derpurs. Derp derpy durpers durp.

Derp.
 
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Think about it. What satisfaction would you gain from a computer-like person? Computers are highly intelligent. Yet, they are stone-cold, dead. They can provide intellectually stimulating conversations, but humans need love. They need people, no matter how introverted they are.
I have schizoid tenancies. I don't need to feel loved. In fact, I don't need anything from other people. I would however like information at a faster rate, which a computer can provide.

Yet, emotion can be stronger than intellect. Emotional people can be hesitant, but if they believe that they are doing the right thing, they can accomplish far more than intelligent people. And they are very likely to. After all, without emotional people, intelligent people cannot do anything. What can they do, if no one listens to them?

Intelligent people naturally doubt and question authority. They can do stuff, but nowhere as effective as emotional stupid people. Without emotional stupid people, do you think that humans have accomplished this much?

You say "Accomplish" but what would they do? Demand an entire nation become thiestic? These are the "accomplishments" of feeling people, whereas the thinking are making real accomplishments. Scientists have created a new life form, in full control of it's genome.


They survived. They thrived.

What? No they didn't. They died, remember? A meteor hit the earth and created an ice age. Dinosaurs were too stupid to retreat underground, so they died. The intelligent survived.

But so are intelligent people. The only reason why people have power is because we give them power. It's because we listen to them. If we stop listening to them, they will lose all their power.

Power is not distributed in the world the way you think it is, and it's not lost the way you think it is either.


Yet faith can accomplish a shit-load of things. Look at Christianity.

You choose Christianity? Really? The religion that caused the dark ages?
Look at Ghandi. By religion alone, they overthrown the salt policy. Look at at America in World War II. Religion played a BIG part in the war, I doubt we would have won without it. Without drive, without religion, we can accomplish nothing. NOTHING. Effort > Intelligence, Drive>Clarity. It is a proven fact, though (Intelligence + Effort > Effort) and (Drive+Clarity> Drive). It was by pure drive alone that people can will themselves to die, it is by drive alone that Joseph and his tribe of Indians killed four units of US infantry. Intelligence played a part in that, but it was only through the drive to survive that allowed the Indians to accomplish such a great feet.

I believe we have already established that faith is used to control lesser minds. Not religion, but faith. Stupid people need to unconditionally and foolishly believe in something to do anything. Instead of faith in imaginary things, they should instead have faith in their betters.

Yes, I agree, the generation of parents today are horrible. Yes, I agree, many citizens are bound by useless rules and traditions, and do not think for themselves. But think about their value! Think about what they have achieved! They are far from useless. They are essential. We need balance, if everyone was intelligent, who would do the work?

Intelligent people would. Actually, if there were more intelligent people, it would be far easier to construct machines to do work, and if the lesser minds were to all die, we would not have any need for as much work as we do, and could live in smaller, more intelligent societies and not have any resistance from people who would have us make mistakes.


Yet, beneath that constant chemical reaction that keeps us alive, we are human beings. Intelligent humans are no more valuable than un-intelligent beings. We are all chemical structures at heart, are intelligence is something WE CANNOT CONTROL. You say as if the un-intelligent are the cause of all our problems. Nay. It is the intelligent, their wrong intentions and their manipulative ways that cause all of this.

You just restated what I said in the OP. Except of course, for claiming intelligent people cause the problems of the world, which you have no evidence to back up. In fact, history suggests you're 100% wrong in that claim.



LoL. Welcome to the thread. Perhaps you should employ more tact from now on? We've discovered your intentions and so now we'd like to know who you are. Or not. Its up to you.
Now is not a good time to start being tactful.

You are irrational. Everyone is irrational. The fact that I am able to point out the logical flaws in your argument is proof that you are not as perfectly logical as you think.

You haven't pointed out any logical flaws. You've only claimed there were flaws. It is very childish to claim you have gotten the better of someone when you haven't, which is no surprise since you are 14.

You think he is inaccurate. Okay. Explain how you are accurate

It's not my job to. I'm not making the claim.

Only two words: prove it. Show pictures of your real life, show certificates of your genius intellect, show how emotionally mature you are, show everything.

Again, I'm not making the claim.

This is how it works.

Person A makes a statement. Person A backs up statement.
Person B can then refute said statement, and make their own, backing it up.

what is happening here is:
Person A makes a baseless statement.
Person C tells person B to back up their statement.
Person B tells you to fuck off.

Explain how the human form is with useless part, explain why and how. Because without the above, there is no point of arguing against this.

Because this is a claim I have made, I will. It's fairly simple though, and I would imagine self-explanatory. As the human body evolves, certain things become useless which were once necessary for life. The appendix is an example of this.

Right now. Your arrogance and cock-sure attitude has established that you are not as intelligent as you think you are. There are countless possibilities, including that you are actually stupid, or that you are mis-led or that you are wrong. Have you considered them? No? Then you are not as intelligent as you think. For isn't that intelligent people naturally see possibilities? Truly intelligent people know how worth-less they are, how they know that it is impossible to speak in absolute truths unless they knew everything (Albert Einstein). You clearly don't.
And as with emotion, I have explained such with my past posts.

This is filled with baseless assumptions, personal insults, and overall is a childish tantrum. Typical from a 14 year old. If you aren't going to at least act mature, I have no interest in responding to you.
 
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You need faith to trust knowledge is accurate, your argument's circular.
You're right. I suppose some faith is needed, even in small things, to prevent redundancy.

If I remember well the widely-accepted quantum mechanics have inbuilt unpredictability.
I hear this a lot. If anything, quantum mechanics have only further proven that we live in a deterministic universe.

This is a good example of how having faith in knowledge being accurate is occasionally a downfall.


That world would be horrible. No one'd make you hot chocolate for a start. :D
But.. No one makes me hot chocolate anyway?


If those two above are emotionally healthy I'll eat my hat. They're not, just so you know.

Tactfulness is not an indicator of emotional health btw. You can be tactful and eg: horribly repressed and neurotic, or tactless and eg: happily wearing your heart on your sleeve.
I agree. It is difficult to communicate emotional health, in any case.

Derpy derp durp derpurs. Derp derpy durpers durp.

Derp.
Well said. Your argument is astounding, and I have no choice but to forfeit to you.
 

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Thinking people as opposed to feeling are typically rational individuals, and handle their position far better than their feeling counterparts. This is evident throughout history.
My English teacher used the acronym PEE to remind us to back our claims. Point (out something), Explain (what you're pointing at), Example (of that thing you pointed out). You made a statement, then tacked an unrelated statement to it. Please remember to PEE. :D
What do you mean by 'handling' your position anyway? An effective leader is someone who is followed, right? If so Feeling types have an advantage, tapping more easily into people's mood to convince them better.

I do understand what you mean, though. You're right; emotions can be detrimental to self-improvement if kept unchecked and understood. Among emotional people however, they have under developed thought, and thus are in an even worse position than an intellectual to improve on their counterpart.
You're still treating emotions separately from yourself. You're managing them. Interesting expression btw: "Emotions can be detrimental (...) if (...) understood."
Everyone has to learn to value the counterpart to their dominant T/F. Thinking may not value F, and vice versa, because either does not make sense in the other's value system. That is because they are COUNTERPARTS, they're good at different things. This difference has no bearing on someone's potential ability to use both, coming from either direction is, or at least seems, equally hard.

"Feeling" your way through a situation is much less efficient, and ultimately unreliable, and thus inferior to logical thought. Thus, thinking individuals as opposed to feeling ones are better in positions of power. Intellectuals have reliable logic and information to guide them into being more developed emotionally, whereas an emotional person has unreliable and ultimately foolish faith, which is why it's far more uncommon for feeling people to be developed intellectually than for a thinking individual to be developed emotionally.
Feeling is reliable enough that it developed before logical thought. It's fast and accurate enough to make you run when you need to. It doesn't need to be ultimately reliable, it developed to be reliable in the moment. It's also the social glue of the human species, and interacting with each other is what made us need better cognition to deal with increasingly complex interactions, you owe your Thinking to Feeling. It's also faster and more efficient than Thinking, because you don't have to (ha) think through things.

We understand that we need to improve on lacking aspects of ourselves. Feeling types don't.
*cough* I do. *cough* And the first phrase in this quote is hypocritical.
 

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I have schizoid tenancies. I don't need to feel loved. In fact, I don't need anything from other people. I would however like information at a faster rate, which a computer can provide.

Heh, and you say you are the perfect all-rounded person, yet you are schizoid. This means you are not.

You say "Accomplish" but what would they do? Demand an entire nation become thiestic? These are the "accomplishments" of feeling people, whereas the thinking are making real accomplishments. Scientists have created a new life form, in full control of it's genome.[/B]

Your view of feeling people is clearly wrong. First of, you have flawed information. Thinking people can just as likely be theist as feeling people. Feeling people are just as likely to be atheist as thinking people. What you are describing right now are religious fanatics. And you say you are intelligent. :rolleyes:

What? No they didn't. They died, remember? A meteor hit the earth and created an ice age. Dinosaurs were too stupid to retreat underground, so they died. The intelligent survived.

Are you stupid? Okay. Let me explain this clearly. They-ruled-for-millions-of-years-until-they-were-killed-by-a-meteor. The animals that survived were not intelligent. No, they were lucky. They were animals capable of hiding deep underground, animals capable of hiding deep under-water and still surviving. Nothing to do with intelligence. Get your darn facts right.

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Power is not distributed in the world the way you think it is, and it's not lost the way you think it is either.

Then explain, you know-it-all. Explain how power is distributed.

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You choose Christianity? Really? The religion that caused the dark ages?

I said accomplishments, you idiot. It didn't necessarily mean good accomplishments. And the fact that it was able to bring the dark ages shows the potential for religion.

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I believe we have already established that faith is used to control lesser minds. Not religion, but faith. Stupid people need to unconditionally and foolishly believe in something to do anything. Instead of faith in imaginary things, they should instead have faith in their betters.

Have I already explained that? By now, you should know that religion is essential, is powerful, and is a powerful weapon whether it be in the hands of friend or foe.

Intelligent people would. Actually, if there were more intelligent people, it would be far easier to construct machines to do work, and if the lesser minds were to all die, we would not have any need for as much work as we do, and could live in smaller, more intelligent societies and not have any resistance from people who would have us make mistakes.

*facepalm*

Wow...just wow. Get your facts right. The intelligent make the blue-prints, the "stupid" carry out the blue-prints. You clearly have no knowledge on industry what-so-ever. It is the "stupid" that manufacture cars, it is the "stupid" that make machines, it is the "stupid" that do almost all the goddam work while the "intelligent" sit back and hand out blue-prints.
The problem is, if the lesser minds die, how will we operate electricity? How will we fix cars? How will we build them? My dear friend, doing something in theory is not the same thing as doing something in practice. Those "stupid" people have been fixing cars for years, operating lighthouses for years, doing stuff that we cannot do.


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You just restated what I said in the OP. Except of course, for claiming intelligent people cause the problems of the world, which you have no evidence to back up. In fact, history suggests you're 100% wrong in that claim.

Hahahaha! What? You have not read history. Read what happened to Germany in 1940. Read what happened to Russia in the 17th century. Read what happened to China in 1935. Read what happened to..fuck. Read the entire time-line of history.
There is plenty of evidence to back my claims up, while you have none. Why don't you show your evidence?

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Now is not a good time to start being tactful.

And yet you are not.

You haven't pointed out any logical flaws. You've only claimed there were flaws. It is very childish to claim you have gotten the better of someone when you haven't, which is no surprise since you are 14.

Hahaha! If what I have pointed out are not logical flaws, why aren't you trying to argue against them? And why can I still point out such obvious flaws in your arguments? Because it is definite that they are flaws. And I can also state that the flaws you have pointed out just claimed flaws. And by your last sentence, aren't you as childish as I am?

You are childish. You think you are right. Well, I know you are wrong. You think you have gotten better me than me. You're wrong.

At least I act my age. You act below your age. In this, I am way better than you.

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It's not my job to. I'm not making the claim.

Hahaha. What nonsense. You have been making claims ever since the start of the thread.

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Again, I'm not making the claim.

This is how it works.

Person A makes a statement. Person A backs up statement.
Person B can then refute said statement, and make their own, backing it up.

what is happening here is:
Person A makes a baseless statement.
Person C tells person B to back up their statement.
Person B tells you to fuck off.

No, I beg to differ.

Person A (you) makes stupid, immature, baseless statement.
Person B asks for evidence. Person B points out all logical flaws.
Person A tells person B he/she is stupid and immature. Person A continues in his ignorant world-views.
Person B shows all logical infallences, exposes all childish comments, and tells Person A to fuck off.

That's right, I'm telling you to get the fuck out of the forum. Do it.

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Because this is a claim I have made, I will. It's fairly simple though, and I would imagine self-explanatory. As the human body evolves, certain things become useless which were once necessary for life. The appendix is an example of this.

Hahahaha. Appendix. Show the appendix.
Other than that, your clearly flawed view of this is not yet proven. It is self-explanatory...self-explained to be stupid.

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This is filled with baseless assumptions, personal insults, and overall is a childish tantrum. Typical from a 14 year old. If you aren't going to at least act mature, I have no interest in responding to you.

Hahaha! The irony. Guess what? You're 18, and you are at my level? Again, you act way below your age, and in this, I am better than you. You think you're not having a childish tantrum? Your entire post is a childish tantrum! You think you're smart? No. Because I have just proven that you're not as smart as you think you are. :p
You think you are mature? Meh. I think many other forum members here say otherwise. I think you are just an ignorant teenager barely coming into the outside world. Can you support yourself? No. Can you bring along a revolution? No.
If you are so smart, go out and invent something. Go out and start a revolution. Of course, you are doomed to fail.
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-Ashitaria
 

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I hear this a lot. If anything, quantum mechanics have only further proven that we live in a deterministic universe.
This is a good example of how having faith in knowledge being accurate is occasionally a downfall.
True, I should check how accurate my memory is.
There's a principle somewhere (this bit I am sure of) that says that you cannot know both a particle's speed/velocity? and its position. If this is so you can only make predictions of where a particle is likely to be next, and can only use a range of possible positions for each particle when you want to predict something. It means there's inbuilt error in the system (natural statistics?) and that this error will increase proportionally to the number of particles you need to predict positions for in order to predict the behaviour of something bigger. It eventually becomes too fuzzy to determine anything.

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That world would be horrible. No one'd make you hot chocolate for a start. :D

But.. No one makes me hot chocolate anyway?

Ask them. If in doubt the low low price of 12$76 (or however much it is these days with all that inflation) will convince your local Starbucks cashier to accede to your request. :evil:
 
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My English teacher used the acronym PEE to remind us to back our claims. Point (out something), Explain (what you're pointing at), Example (of that thing you pointed out). You made a statement, then tacked an unrelated statement to it. Please remember to PEE. :D
What do you mean by 'handling' your position anyway? An effective leader is someone who is followed, right? If so Feeling types have an advantage, tapping more easily into people's mood to convince them better.
I meant that intellectuals make better decisions. Feeling types do have an advantage in that they can easily convince people, but intellectuals may learn to do this just as well. In fact, thinking types are very good at being manipulative, moreso than feeling types.


You're still treating emotions separately from yourself. You're managing them. Interesting expression btw: "Emotions can be detrimental (...) if (...) understood."
Everyone has to learn to value the counterpart to their dominant T/F. Thinking may not value F, and vice versa, because either does not make sense in the other's value system. That is because they are COUNTERPARTS, they're good at different things. This difference has no bearing on someone's potential ability to use both, coming from either direction is, or at least seems, equally hard.
Sorry, I made a mistake. I meant that emotions can be detrimental to self-improvement if kept unchecked and are misunderstood.

You're right, I am managing them, and I'm doing so in an appropriate way. Through understanding and acknowledgment.

Feeling is reliable enough that it developed before logical thought. It's fast and accurate enough to make you run when you need to. It doesn't need to be ultimately reliable, it developed to be reliable in the moment. It's also the social glue of the human species, and interacting with each other is what made us need better cognition to deal with increasingly complex interactions, you owe your Thinking to Feeling. It's also faster and more efficient than Thinking, because you don't have to (ha) think through things.
seems, equally hard.
Thinking is more reliable, and builds a foundation in which things are learned at a much faster pace. I found it very easy to understand and acknowledge my emotions. It is not equally easy for a feeling person to distance their emotions from their thought enough to be entirely rational when the situation demands it.

*cough* I do. *cough* And the first phrase in this quote is hypocritical.
I suppose you're right. Not all feeling types are so mindless. However, I believe that all thinking types are just as capable of reaching the same understanding I have.
 

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True, I should check how accurate my memory is.
There's a principle somewhere (this bit I am sure of) that says that you cannot know both a particle's speed/velocity? and its position. If this is so you can only make predictions of where a particle is likely to be next, and can only use a range of possible positions for each particle when you want to predict something. It means there's inbuilt error in the system (natural statistics?) and that this error will increase proportionally to the number of particles you need to predict positions for in order to predict the behaviour of something bigger. It eventually becomes too fuzzy to determine anything.

And I heard something about quantum mechanics supporting the theory of parallel dimensions. In that, our universe isn't deterministic but the whole of all universes is, since everything that could possibly happen must.

If this isn't the case (it isn't, is it) I'll be terribly disappointed.

That said, I believe you're confusing feelings with general irrationality. It is quite possible to derive logic from principles and values.
 

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Yeah dude, or rather, Rin, don't bother with Ashitaria, he has an AT-field made of dumb and pre-teen. You obviously fell into his alluring trap, it's ok, we have all made the same mistake.

Also, fuck yeah, he is a great bassist indeed. And his usage of moe clothing is fucking awesome, as I see it. Since I lack "normal" physical attraction towards men I can only really feel attracted to them if they are wearing really extravagant and unique outfits or really really bland/don't care outfits.

I like miku better.
 
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