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[Logic]

Hey Artsu I think I'm going to take a jab at this guy if you don't mind.

You're silly.
I disagree, naturally. Socionics deals with information processing - that is basically "the innate way of seeing things".

You wish it were that simple. Socionics is garbage focusing on stereotypes. Trying to see the innate? Don't make me laugh. Not only do you know nothing about Pod'Lair but you have no understanding of Socionics and what it's up to either, tsk tsk tsk.

No. I don't think I've been anything other than INFj, even at my most low-functioning when I've been depressed and cynical or overly dependent on cause-effect/determinism to justify horrible crimes, or pretending to be a million things I'm not. I've never been anything other than slightly different versions of myself.

I would agree on this point. You have never been any other Mojo than the one you currently are and you won't ever be anything besides that.

Podlair has done a brilliant job of convincing people that they can be of any and every personality as long as they hold the prestigious title of being Nai Alpha, which is code-word for "participant of collective circle-jerk for people egotistical enough to believe they're the same types as famous/accomplished people they have absolutely nothing in common with."

No, MBTI is the one to blame for that. MBTI is the sole reason why you guys believe you can be any personality type you want to be. Pod'Lair claims that you can only be one Mojo. Your personality is something that can be changed all the time because it is really complicated.

What is the use in making fun of us? Calling us a Circle-Jerk doesn't make you any smarter, it just makes you look like a total douche, is that what you want?

I think I've explained this before, Nai alphas are the most interested in greatness. Is it really that unreasonable to say that a lot of actors and highly accomplished people tend to be Nai alpha? It's what their Nai has been focused on by default being a Nai Alpha. This sort of thing doesn't make us Nai'xyy egotistical. You're a lunatic to think that. It's MATH. It's nothing that isn't a reality already. Just because you don't like this cold hard reality doesn't make it wrong.

It's not a personality model, it's also not trying to classify cognition in any sense. It's life-coaching. They tell you inspirational things and make you feel good about yourself.

Of course it isn't a personality model, Pod'Lair is an Omni-theory that explains the complexity of the mind unlike anything before it, and more. Hey, we inspire one another too, there's nothing wrong with that.

Thomas is obviously Beta NF and it seeps through in his videos regardless of whether or not he's acting, it's how he phrases things, his choice of words, the way he moves, the way he asserts his own ideas. Also reminds me of Steve Jobs:

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GRv-kv5XEg

Also ENFj-Ni; I can't stand either of them.

How would you know anything about Thomas? Beta? LOL. The guy is as Alpha as it gets you noob. Nai'xyy are one the most dominant (if not THE most dominant) of all the Mojos, it's sad that you didn't take notice of that.

And Steve Jobs, your calling him Beta too? Seriously? The guy has Alpha written all over him. He's Nai'zyy by the way.

The correlation between socionics and podlair doesn't carry over neatly, the only thing you may be able to correlate is rational/irrational (directive/adaptive) and sometimes temperament (EJ, IP, EP, IJ). But there's no one-on-one correlation.

Very good, Pod'Lair and Socionics don't carry over at all I would say. I would go as far as saying that Socionics is a complete disgrace of a system. Rational and Irrational is a very screwed up way of looking at the human being, especially when trying to separate people into groups. I mean seriously, Socionics is saying that about half the population is irrational which by definition is an insult and the rest are all fine and dandy rationals. This stuff is right in front of you to judge for yourself. It doesn't take a genius to see that Socionics is a load of bull.

Anyway, I prefer Socionics because it provides greater utility for me as it attempts to classify actual personality differences formed by valued/devalued information aspects. It's not the be-all-end-all of all psychology, but probably the most consistent personality theory/model there is so far. Not trying to convince you or anything, though. I hope you learn loads from your endeavors in Podlair land.

W/e you can stick to your inferior system. You aren't going to get anything useful out of it that can be applied to the real world anyways. It's all half baked rubbish. I hope you see that soon.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

You wish it were that simple. Socionics is garbage focusing on stereotypes. Trying to see the innate? Don't make me laugh. Not only do you know nothing about Pod'Lair but you have no understanding of Socionics and what it's up to either, tsk tsk tsk.

Unfounded & inaccurate claims, defamation and ad hominem. This is worthless argumentation.

No, MBTI is the one to blame for that. MBTI is the sole reason why you guys believe you can be any personality type you want to be. Pod'Lair claims that you can only be one Mojo. Your personality is something that can be changed all the time because it is really complicated.

One Mojo yes, but the personalities of the types with the same Mojo as identified by Pod'lair officials are so extreme in difference that the consistency of the theory goes out the window.

Of course it isn't a personality model, Pod'Lair is an Omni-theory that explains the complexity of the mind unlike anything before it, and more. Hey, we inspire one another too, there's nothing wrong with that.

Not only are you unfamiliar with your own favorite theory but:

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun. Ecc 1:9

How would you know anything about Thomas? Beta? LOL. The guy is as Alpha as it gets you noob. Nai'xyy are one the most dominant (if not THE most dominant) of all the Mojos, it's sad that you didn't take notice of that.

And Steve Jobs, your calling him Beta too? Seriously? The guy has Alpha written all over him. He's Nai'zyy by the way.

Not Pod'lair Beta, but Socionics Beta. Furthermore, videos are a rich source of information about a person. You should know that, reading mojos and all. Isn't that what Pod'lair is all about?

Very good, Pod'Lair and Socionics don't carry over at all I would say. I would go as far as saying that Socionics is a complete disgrace of a system. Rational and Irrational is a very screwed up way of looking at the human being, especially when trying to separate people into groups. I mean seriously, Socionics is saying that about half the population is irrational which by definition is an insult and the rest are all fine and dandy rationals. This stuff is right in front of you to judge for yourself. It doesn't take a genius to see that Socionics is a load of bull.

W/e you can stick to your inferior system. You aren't going to get anything useful out of it that can be applied to the real world anyways. It's all half baked rubbish. I hope you see that soon.

Again you make inaccurate and unfounded claims, with the addition of pure defamation.

If you're going to be a Pod'lair drone, at least have some individuality. It's like you're a mini-Adymus.

 

[Fukyo]

If you're going to be a Pod'lair drone, at least have some individuality. It's like you're a mini-Adymus.

I thought I was the only one who was seeing that.



Logic is a joke. He can't even argue because 90% of everything he says about MBTI and Socionics is wrong. So he has to throw a self righteous fit.
and he's been imitating Adymus' style ever since he returned. I doubt he is even competent about Pod'lair, because everything he says is just repetition of what was said here before, plus acting like jerk.


I laughed at the Beta/Alpha nonsense. This should make Pod'lair bloopers.

 

[Glordag]

Jung's work is incomplete and incorrect. All of his theories remained untested and without any verifiable evidence.

This was a joke, right? Please tell me this was a joke.

 

[naama]

I did look at podlair when you guys attacked perc. watched those youtube videos and read your website. every concept in it was straight jung copy.

Its funny that you claim that this podlair thing has scientific evidence and jungs work doesent, when its infact the opposite.

Also its funny that you say that i think E = social and I not. thats totally not what i think, you just make this sort of stupid claims because you dont know what you are talking about.

Like i already said, hit me with some of your concepts and ill tell jungs term for the same thing. why are you so unwilling to do that? i bet you just want to protect your own belief and are afraid to do something that would wreck your believes.

If you want to read what i really think I E and functions are about, read this topic:
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=11190

this E being inserting info to visual cortex and I being info leaving is based on scientific research. also there are tons of studies done with personality using brain scans and these findings match jungs concepts. also stuff like archetypes can be linked to amagdyla, thalamus and other areas in limbic system and midbrain. jungian shadow and unconscious can also be measured. unconscious is when one area doesent communicate with others, but still processes info. cba to explain all of these because you are just being ignorant and wont listen anyways, i would be surpriced if you even read the topic i posted, or try to understand it.

But the most funny thing about cult fanatics like you is that you make claims like "i have evidence", yet you are unable to provide any. i bet the cult leader just told you he has evidence and you go all brainless zombie "mmkay, yes master" and never even seen any scientific evidence yourself. or your cult leader told you that scientific research is something like him being able to type someone correctly and you believe him, cuz "mmkay, yes master".

So.. wheres your evidence? and are you even going to hit me with some of those concepts of yours, or are you too afraid of me being right?

 

[naama]

Of course it isn't a personality model, Pod'Lair is an Omni-theory that explains the complexity of the mind unlike anything before it, and more. Hey, we inspire one another too, there's nothing wrong with that.

ah lol you think all jung did was some sketch for MBTI.. jung explained the whole mind, but ofc you dont know it, because you never even tried to find out. lol

I see you are just trying to find your place in the world with this podlair thing, i can give you an easy answer for your problems; go jump in a trash can, thats where you belong

 

[Masterlord]

http://eventful.com/longbeach/events/temple-archetypes-ritual-acceptance-/E0-001-024570421-6

Jung, Jung, Jung, Jung, Jung, Jung.

Logic blinded by love?

 

[Masterlord]

Hey Artsu I think I'm going to take a jab at this guy if you don't mind.



You wish it were that simple. Socionics is garbage focusing on stereotypes. Trying to see the innate? Don't make me laugh. Not only do you know nothing about Pod'Lair but you have no understanding of Socionics and what it's up to either, tsk tsk tsk.



I would agree on this point. You have never been any other Mojo than the one you currently are and you won't ever be anything besides that.



No, MBTI is the one to blame for that. MBTI is the sole reason why you guys believe you can be any personality type you want to be. Pod'Lair claims that you can only be one Mojo. Your personality is something that can be changed all the time because it is really complicated.

What is the use in making fun of us? Calling us a Circle-Jerk doesn't make you any smarter, it just makes you look like a total douche, is that what you want?

I think I've explained this before, Nai alphas are the most interested in greatness. Is it really that unreasonable to say that a lot of actors and highly accomplished people tend to be Nai alpha? It's what their Nai has been focused on by default being a Nai Alpha. This sort of thing doesn't make us Nai'xyy egotistical. You're a lunatic to think that. It's MATH. It's nothing that isn't a reality already. Just because you don't like this cold hard reality doesn't make it wrong.



Of course it isn't a personality model, Pod'Lair is an Omni-theory that explains the complexity of the mind unlike anything before it, and more. Hey, we inspire one another too, there's nothing wrong with that.



How would you know anything about Thomas? Beta? LOL. The guy is as Alpha as it gets you noob. Nai'xyy are one the most dominant (if not THE most dominant) of all the Mojos, it's sad that you didn't take notice of that.

And Steve Jobs, your calling him Beta too? Seriously? The guy has Alpha written all over him. He's Nai'zyy by the way.



Very good, Pod'Lair and Socionics don't carry over at all I would say. I would go as far as saying that Socionics is a complete disgrace of a system. Rational and Irrational is a very screwed up way of looking at the human being, especially when trying to separate people into groups. I mean seriously, Socionics is saying that about half the population is irrational which by definition is an insult and the rest are all fine and dandy rationals. This stuff is right in front of you to judge for yourself. It doesn't take a genius to see that Socionics is a load of bull.



W/e you can stick to your inferior system. You aren't going to get anything useful out of it that can be applied to the real world anyways. It's all half baked rubbish. I hope you see that soon.

Nai'Xyy dominant? Do you jerk off to your Nai eyes?

I bet you're just a little twat that found reason for being in pod'lair.

Jerk to your Nai eyes and your Fyy mouth and your Zyy nose and your Poo piss. Circle jerk till death. You're full of yourself. All you pod guys are full of yourselves.

Hubris, hubris, hubris, hubris.

That's why you jerks will never get anywhere.

Humanity doesn't need you to show us the way. Humanity has stayed the course since inception.

Take the individual and treat them, not the fucking image of some idealized Nai zai fyy bullshit.

I'm sick of you pod guys and Thomas Christ.

Take your truths and shove them up your nai assholes.

Why doesn't that coward of a messiah address the people he's trying to recruit personally? Why does he need a lapdog like you and Adymus?

Thomas Christ ain't no Jesus.

 

[Puffy]

^ I thought Thomas doubted?

 

[naama]

Im not going to watch all videos again, so ill just look at this:
Vidcast - Pod'Lair Theory Overview Pt.2.mpg - YouTube

First he talks about mandalas, jung wrote a book about those:
http://www.amazon.com/Mandala-Symbolism-Bollingen-C-Jung/dp/0691017816
jung also saw yin yang as a sort of mandala(but its just one of those), its all same stuff that your cult leader is talking about. also in jungian therapy people often are told to draw their own mandalas, same thing you leader tells you to do.

He told that everything is energy evolving, jung calls this energy libido. On the topic i posted, i explained how extraverted movement of libido corresponds with having info inserted to visual cortex, and introverted movement of libido is info leaving it.
Here is jungian explanation of libido: http://www.nyaap.org/jung-lexicon/l/

Cba to look for definitions for these spirit things since the guy didnt explain those well on that video.

This social alchemy thing, is the same reason why jung wanted people to know about his typology, he just didnt name it, because its simply understanding others..

Oh he did start to define spirit form, its called collective unconscious in jungs terms
http://www.nyaap.org/jung-lexicon/c/#collectiveUnconscious

Templeforms sound like archetypes:
http://www.nyaap.org/jung-lexicon/a/#archetype
http://www.nyaap.org/jung-lexicon/a/#archetypalImage

Mojo sounds pretty much of one of 5 major functions of consciousness; cognition, i doubt that one needs any explanation.

He mentioned the word psyche, according to jung its the whole human, body, collective unconscious, personal unconscious and consciousness.

This fourth language(couldnt really figure out what it was), the language of scientific discovery, thats called sensation in jungs typology. if you read my topic, i referred S as the principle of fact.

Cba to look at more of those videos, but feel free to give me more definitions and ill give jungs term for it.

 

[naama]

http://eventful.com/longbeach/events/temple-archetypes-ritual-acceptance-/E0-001-024570421-6

Jung, Jung, Jung, Jung, Jung, Jung.

Logic blinded by love?

Hahaha. ty for posting this

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

A few serious questions:

1) Are you Thomas, "Logic"? (Is Thomas "Logic"?)
Not sure what your history is in INTPf. Could be possible as an alias to sneak in here and convert the masses/defend yourself.

2)What type/mojo is Michael C. Hall? (Dexter Morgan, "Dexter")


These are serious questions. Really. Not trying to add fuel to the fire.

 

[Pride]

Uhhhh herp a derp? No they can't. Physiological cues can't be masked no matter how hard you try to do so. You're just another critic that has absolutely ZERO understanding of Pod'Lair and is completely out of your league in this sort of debate. Seriously you guys come one after another with preconceived assumptions that are soo wrong that it makes you all look so foolish. The smart thing would be to actually test Pod'Lair and understand it. Ask real questions, don't just come in here trying to pick a fight when you don't even know a SINGLE thing about your supposed enemy.

Stop making silly claims? You sure have some nerve don't you? Hell fucking yea, Pod'Lair is real science. It is the real deal and you aren't even trying to see that. Do you ever think before you bother typing up such ridiculous garbage? MBTI and Pod'Lair are not in the same league dude, Pod'Lair is soo advanced and soo ahead of MBTI that it boggles the mind. You need to look beyond your limited scope to even begin to notice something like that. Stop making attacks against something you don't even understand.

The onus is on you then. Feel free to provide me with a scientifically convergent theory that has been tested by multiple institutes, research labs, or universities. Show me your irrefutable proof that physiological cues can't be masked. I'd think this would be the easiest part, considering that there are serious studies connecting human physiology with cognitive science.

I'll be waiting.

 

[Logic]

A few serious questions:

1) Are you Thomas, "Logic"? (Is Thomas "Logic"?)

Lol, last time I checked I wasn't.

2)What type/mojo is Michael C. Hall? (Dexter Morgan, "Dexter")

I'll add him to the list of people who need to be read. Answers will be on Dec 15 like previously stated.
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This gives me an idea.

To all INTP Forum Members
​

Come up with a list of people, TV shows, Movies, etc where you would like us to read the Mojos of the people you mention. Try to include your own guesses to which Mojo you think those people are as well so you can come up with an understanding as to how developed your Mojo Reading capabilities are.

(better marketing teehee)

 

[Fukyo]

There is one thing about Pod'lair practitioners that consistently pisses me off.


They seem to think that being part of Pod'lair makes them experts on everything, from neuroscience to math. If you are going to claim that Pod'lair is MATH, then give us the mathematical proofs, and stop name dropping.

They also seem to think that because they find a certain model is wrong, they are at liberty to use fully INACCURATE claims about these models to "debunk" them. Well, no, you can't do this. You want to debunk something? Cool, but do it right, and do it with relevant information, don't pull things from your ass.

This is not only making you lose credibility it is intellectually unethical, it is slander.



Somebody, I think it was Branden said that MBTI limits your careers or something. In general almost all Pod'lair people have made inaccurate claims against it.

Here are the ethical guildelines for the application of MBTI from the official site.

• Present psychological type as describing healthy personality differences, not psychological disorders or fixed traits.
• Be adamant that all types are valuable: no type is better, healthier, or more desirable in any way.
• Describe preference and types in nonjudgmental terms at all times; be aware of how your own type biases may influence your words.
  [*]Present type preferences as tendencies, preferences, or inclinations, rather than absolutes.
• Stress that type does not imply excellence, competence, or natural ability, only what is preferred.
• Never imply that all people of a certain type behave in the same way; type should not encourage stereotyping or be used to put people in rigid categories.
• Explain how people sometimes act in ways contrary to their preferences because of pressure from family, relationships, job environment, or culture. Consistent forced use of non preferences can cause stress.
• It is unethical and in many cases illegal to require job applicants to take the Indicator if the results will be used to screen out applicants. The administrator should not counsel a person to, or away from, a particular career, personal relationship or activity based solely upon type information.

Logic said that we think how extroverts are sociable and introverts aren't. Well we DON'T. Neither does Jung. Stop putting words into people mouth's and twisting information to make it seem like you know better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extroversion#Jungian_theory


"According to Carl Jung, introversion and extraversion refer to the direction of psychic energy. If a person’s psychic energy usually flows outwards then he or she is an extravert, while if the energy usually flows inwards, the person is an introvert."

This is the one thing that Pod'lairans just love to ignore and gloss over so it's bolded for your convenience.


Logic clams we don't know the first thing about socionics, but he's the one who is ignorant.

Beta doesn't refer to the social hierarchy of the pack, but to a grouping of socio-types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics#Quadras



It took me less than five minutes to google this, and I'm supposed to take you seriously? Meh.

 

[cheese]

Logic, where do we put that list? Is it fine to just place it here?

For my part, I'd be interested in the actors from

Chuck
Battlestar Galactica

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Come on guys. Stop equating Pod'lair with the people promoting it. =|

They are giving you a method of identifying people's type with relatively little training (3 months I think to get to 85%? but just a bit of practice will put you at a pretty decent level).

Yes, Pod'lair takes ideas from previous systems, and may be dishonest about their predecessors (the link Anamelech posted before explicitly mentioned Jungian Archetypes as being part of this foundation), but it at least appears that they have developed a system based on these models which go beyond the systems which they came from (at least, in the aspects that they are looking at - traditional spiritual systems have an implicit level of greatness beyond what is explicitly contained in them).

They may not have the "standing on the shoulders of giants" humbleness of Newton, but if you want to learn consistent typing methods, or other good psychological/spiritual material, it's worth looking into, and there don't seem to be any significant downsides.

Beta? LOL. The guy is as Alpha as it gets you noob.

lol'd

he's talking about socionics quadras, which are the four main natural social setting preferences according to socionics, based on which kinds of information are valued. He is saying that Chenault is Beta quadra, whereas the EII (INFj) is Delta. I don't see what makes Chenault Fb/Tw/Nw/Sb valuing though.

I mean seriously, Socionics is saying that about half the population is irrational which by definition is an insult and the rest are all fine and dandy rationals.

...

Irrational is in reference to the tendency to be interested in information that has not been made rational, i.e. a focus on information of perception (irrational), rather than discernment (rational). I think socionics distinguishes between rationals and irrationals based on which objective side they consider, as opposed to their source power - i.e. an object perceiver is socionics irrational, and objective discerner is socionics rational (assuming they are referring to the same thing to begin with).

I would agree on this point. You have never been any other Mojo than the one you currently are and you won't ever be anything besides that.

Note the context in which he said that. He posted a description of the way an ENFj-Ni would come across, according to socionics. As you well know, such descriptions typically are not addressing how the process is being done, and so could be done by various kinds of personality.

I don't believe that there is anything innate to Typology that says that such a view is anti-Typology. I would imagine Typologists would typically claim that two different types could act the same way depending on internal and external circumstances.

It's not a personality model, it's also not trying to classify cognition in any sense. It's life-coaching. They tell you inspirational things and make you feel good about yourself.

Well yeah, there is a life coaching aspect to it. Isn't the point of learning your type to learn how you could optimise your actions with regards to your natural functioning? They are telling you "inspirational things" to show what things you might be able to achieve if you were working at full potential. They may or may not actually be able to help you reach this full potential, but as an INFJ, I'm sure you can see the potential of the project. If it's not relevant to you, so be it.

As for classifying cognition: the basic model (first gear) is isomorphic to the MBTI model, so on the theoretical level it has at least the same classification ability as that (except that it can actually identify people using its defined processes, whereas MBTI(tm or otherwise) could never really achieve this). The focus though is more on real-world functioning rather than theoretical investigation it seems, but I see nothing wrong with this really.

Socionics deals with information processing - that is basically "the innate way of seeing things".

I would say that I basically see things in a similar way to Chenault, yet I am apparently Alpha-NT and he is Beta-NF - rather than it just being that I am over Ti'd, and he has well developed Fe.

I like the socionics framework, but idk that it really has achieved much in the way of identifying how people actually innately see things. This is up for debate of course.

 

[Puffy]

^ Was Logic banned because of this thread? Or is he faking? :P

 

[EyeSeeCold]

^ Was Logic banned because of this thread? Or is he faking? :P

"Banned" is a banned user title, at least.

 

[Pride]

He dug his own grave... nobody did it for him.