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Mergings and psychosis

Artsu Tharaz

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Psychosis is a higher state of existence.

Yes, that is correct.

You start off basic then get full on then extend your boundaries beyond where you were.

It goes, 1 2 3 4 and I'm out the door.

Psychosis is like... transcendental experience.

To transcend means to see beyond the boundaries of what you had thought to be true.

There are many stages of psychosis. It goes very far.

If you haven't even been psychotic before, then either you have and you don't know it, or you don't know how to live.

Live, friends, live!

For this is a magical universe we are thrown into. A universe of many magics and magicalities.

So do what you can, and then outdo yourself.

The ride is the journey, and the end point is the start of creation.

Yo.
 

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The title of this thread is an allusion to Pod'lair's Elevator of Enlightenment (Shiny Baby + beyond = Mergings). But because you silly peons don't like that stuff, I'll go Maslow+Jung instead:

Stage 0: physiological - this is before even cognitive functions kick in. The base state.

Cognition

Stage 1: safety, persona - what you identify as, where cognition becomes first apparent, the needs beyond the purely physiological (1st, 2nd functions)

Stage 2: [missing stage, I call it activity], shadow- pushing your conscious boundaries a bit further beyond what you identify as "you". Difficult stuff. Stuff to pass the time. (3rd, 4th functions)

Stage 3: belonging, anima: this is where you become aware of your other half, about the wonderful things which you don't identify as being you but which you seek out (5th, 6th functions)

Stage 4: esteem, self: when you become masterful - but masterful in a rather common sense, if I may. You get your cognitive faculties fully under control. (7th, 8th functions)

Spirituality

(I don't know the Jungian terms)

Stage 5: self-actualisation - so here you transcend your cognitive faculties. This is what I mean by associating psychosis with mergings. I believe that a common story amongst people self actualising is that they have a "break from reality". Actually, this is just a break from conventional reality. It is where the insufficiences of the more basic state of existence become known, and you start to transcend into another realm of experience.

Stage 6+: self-transcendence: this continues the journey into psychosis, and actually there are many further stages associated with this, but due to the encompassing nature of the word "transcendence" they all fall under this banner.

But basically, there are such themes as earth consciousness, alien encouters, absurdity, infinity, heaven and hell, associated with the stages beyond this.

Then, after you go through a certain number of stages: BOOM, FULL MASTERY, and the true journey begins.
 

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Psychosis is bad. A higher state of existence can be achieved via meditation or certain supplements. Even iodine (protocol levels of iodine) can create a "humming in the air."

I say a higher state of existence is increased clarity, fluidity, interhemispheric communication, and interconnections among brain regions. Poor health, waste/toxins, heavy metal excess, nutrient deficiencies, etc can impair access to such a state.
 

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I disagree. I have considered that idea, but it is becoming more and more clear to me that that is not the case, not at all.

I thought "maybe I wasn't really psychotic at all, and what I went through was good, but a lot or most of people diagnosed with psychosis are going through something that's actually bad" but I don't buy that idea because most of the schizophrenics I have encountered, whether through real life, forums, or youtube videos, seem to be very spiritually developed individuals. It seems absurd to me to say that what they go through is bad when it brings them so much understanding.

But the mental health system would have you believe the contrary. As it says in the Bible:

" Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. "
 

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As someone who's gone through psychosis, its hardly a state of anything, just a mass intake of information which is interpreted by the patient in stress inducing ways. It's not fun at all- not to mention expensive to cure. Im currently taking pills to calm down any risk of one reoccuring again. Gonna take these for a year, my doctor says.. :/
 

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As someone who's gone through psychosis, its hardly a state of anything, just a mass intake of information which is interpreted by the patient in stress inducing ways. It's not fun at all- not to mention expensive to cure. Im currently taking pills to calm down any risk of one reoccuring again. Gonna take these for a year, my doctor says.. :/
I have fun while psychotic. I assume it's psychosis, that's what it's being called.

I've been on anti-psychotic injections for 4 of the last 5 years. They are NO FUN.
 

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Injections? Dont you mean you get injected with a tranquilizer so you calm down and sleep it off? I had a couple of those... When i enter into a state of psychosis thats the thing i want to get it off of me. But then again you have to get to a hospital in the first place and somehow convince the doctors youre induced by psychosis in the first place so technically you have to wait until it gets worse till they actually believe you. So yeah I agree, it's no fun.
 

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Injections? Dont you mean you get injected with a tranquilizer so you calm down and sleep it off? I had a couple of those... When i enter into a state of psychosis thats the thing i want to get it off of me. But then again you have to get to a hospital in the first place and somehow convince the doctors youre induced by psychosis in the first place so technically you have to wait until it gets worse till they actually believe you. So yeah I agree, it's no fun.
Calm down and sleep it off?

The tranquilisers are operating constantly. I sleep 12 hours a day. I mean being tranquilised is no fun.

When I enter into a state of psychosis, the last thing I want is to be tranquilised. Well, psychosis or no it's not a pleasant drug to be on. When I'm psychotic I want to explore the surreal stories that are being sent to me, to live them out and explore the hidden world.

Convincing a doctor that you need anti-psychotics is easy. Just talk to them when you're on drugs. Convincing a doctor that you don't need anti-psychotics is extremely difficult however. Once you've been prescribed them, any opinion you may form that you don't need to be on them, no matter how thought out, is seen as a delusion. They see anti-psychotics as a thing you need to be on for life once you've shown signs of psychosis.

It doesn't make sense to me.
 

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Oh I see, ao you arent taking pills? I take morning and evening pills- they act like a preventive measure against stress which induces psychosis. I had one 3 months ago and my mother had to fly in from Japan to calm me down. That was my latest episode.. It was during Moon Jae In and Kim Jung Un's third summit too which made me grandiose-ize some crazy shit. Don't want to get into it but you know what I mean.
 

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A higher state of existence can be achieved via meditation or certain supplements. Even iodine (protocol levels of iodine) can create a "humming in the air."

I say a higher state of existence is increased clarity, fluidity, interhemispheric communication, and interconnections among brain regions. Poor health, waste/toxins, heavy metal excess, nutrient deficiencies, etc can impair access to such a state.
Agreed.
 

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The question is not one of experience, but of control.

I know I am not in control of my mind during psychosis, IDK about you.
 
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The question is not one of experience, but of control.

I know I am not in control of my mind during psychosis, IDK about you.
A lot of content streams to the mind via the unconscious during an altered state such as psychosis,

As such, it is not something under voluntary control,

If it were, I would be psychotic right now, although I can activate it to some degree.

There needs to be something that the mind is processing on an unconscious level over a certain length of time for this to flood the mind in such a state,

As the mind takes in more than it can process, I believe that psychosis is effective for when there is a lot that has been taken it,

And that what has been taken in coalesces into the dream-like experience that it does.
 
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I think I mentioned it before, but I don't know if what I experience actually even is psychosis, so I might be going about this all wrong.

What I do know is:

I have some kind of episodes that are distinct from ordinary life
These episodes have been diagnosed as psychotic
I generally like these episodes and want them to continue, however,
The "mental health system" wants these episodes to discontinue, and...
Will force treatment on me against my will if they perceive that it will help accomplish that.

So, given that there is something that I see as good which is being fought against by a powerful institution, I wish to be a voice fighting against that institution, by fighting for the validity of these states of mind that I am speaking about.

What I am speaking about is a form of spiritual progress, and the war on it must end.

...or if the war on it will not end, then we must rebel against this false authority, and promote these states.

I do not wish to invalidate the suffering that people may go through when they go through what is also termed psychosis. I understand that many people experience what they term psychosis, and do not welcome such a state. However to those who do want it I wish strength to pursue it, and for those who do not want it, I wish strength to be free from it.

I also wonder what the difference and relation between these differently valued states is.
 
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