I was describing the functions themselves, just in case you thought I meant for INTP. And let it be understood that I mean no discrimination in my post.
Right, I knew you were talking about the functions in general. I only mentioned INTP because that's the only thing I've thought about with the "interaction chart" I was describing.
What I'm saying is that everyone has all of these functions-granted. Though the strengths and preference of the functions is what differs. Knowing that I then say that these traits have been developed by evolution(especially Ti-Ni, or consciousness).
Agreed that everyone has all of the functions to varying degrees. I have no knowledge or evidence to know how much of a factor evolution has played in the development of our functions.
I only call Ni and Ti intellect because to me it seems those are the functions that actually are characteristic of what human consciousness is; the ability to choose and store information that you can think on internally and subjectively. The positions of both Ti and Ni on your function hierarchy determine your level of consciousness. Even Ska says so:
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As I understand MBTI, any judgement function will be used to "choose information", though how that occurs will vary depending on the function. I'm not entirely sure that MBTI says very much about how information is "stored", other than perhaps mentioning Si as vaguely being related to memory. I suppose one could argue that Fi also stores information, since it accounts for what I might describe as "stored ideals".
I think you misrepresented what Ska was saying here. I think he was saying that every person has a heirarchy of functions, and that's how human consciousness works. I'm not sure he was saying that Ti and Ni explicity determine your level of human consciousness. I could be wrong.
According to Jung, INTPs had dominant Ni-Ti, though I'm not sure if those are our strongest functions. The closest to INTP I think is INFJ with Ni-Fe-Ti. I have reason to believe that the Buddha, Jesus, Confucius and Gandhi were all INFJs(real or not). Though this is just speculation to make you think.
Fair enough. I'll accept this as speculation, and understand where you're coming from.
I see Te-Se as instinct because it requires no unique human qualities in order for them to work.
What? I have no idea how you can make this claim.
Animals can also make decisions based on external potential and then figure out practical uses.
How much of this is decision, and how much of it is program-response? This is just way too subjective to me.
Another way of looking at it is ENTJs(Te-Ni) have a rapidfire response to presented information, ESTPs(Se-Ti) are always one step ahead of their peers mentally and physically, ESFPs(Se-Fi) are live-wires , and ESTJs(Te-Si) have a domineering physical presence. All these traits, stereotypical as they may be, seem like traits that animals would need for survival in the wild, hence, instinct.
Speculation, and I'm not even sure how accurate it is.
Have you ever heard of mother's intuition? Intuition is honed in Ne, and judged in Fe. The more emotional expressions you encounter the greater your intuition will be in a given situation.
I disagree. You can have intuition about issues that don't involve emotion whatsoever. You can also have a highly developed Fe and have a horrible capacity for insight and intuition. That's my opinion, anyways.
I understand Fe can't judge everything and that is where Ti comes in. Ne-Fe is unlike Se-Te because the former's judgment is dependent on what Ne has
chosen to interpret, Se is objective and impersonal.
I don't think Ne chooses to interpret anything. In fact, I would say the strength of Ne is that it accepts as many possibilities as possible without narrowing down or choosing anything. I'll agree that Se is objective and impersonal insomuch as we can trust our senses.
Si and Fi are related because the former receives and interprets sensations and the later 'feels' them and picks favorites. This sensory data is stored and picked up through Ti and Fi. With Ti you can recreate experiences, with Fi you make a subjective judgment on how you have been affected by the experience (love, inspiration, passion, pleasure, pain etc).
I would argue that Se "receives" sensations moreso than Si. I don't think either interpret them...I see that more as the job of Ti/Fi. Again, I'd be careful how you use the word "stored" with MBTI. Bringing up memory is opening a whole new bag of beans. When you say sensory data is "picked up", I'd still call that Se, not Ti or Fi. I think that "recreating experiences", while involving Ti to a degree, relates much more closely to Si. I agree with what you say about Fi and forming subjective judgements on how you've been affected.
It just doesn't seem to fit, to me. The four categories you picked (instinct, intuition, sensation, intellect) don't seem correct to me, the way you group the functions into those groups doesn't seem correct, I don't think I agree that intellect = consciousness, I don't agree with how you describe the functions in your response to Words, etc.
Maybe I'm an outlier and others will see more value in the system.
