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I knew something wasn't right when I saw you browsing this thread from the currently active users list.

Unfortunately this caused me to withhold asking what smurfs taste like. :slashnew:

You've got to start off with a falsifiable hypothesis... (which was...?)

Bad scientist! BAD!!!


Does anyone else see the irony? :angel:
Man, youre getting it wrong. The guy said that we cant deliver anything productive, important. I dont wanna be successful here, i came to this forum to share opinions/learn. But once you start saying bullshit, then im willing to argue about it, i wont stay quiet.
 

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Man, youre getting it wrong. The guy said that we cant deliver anything productive, important. I dont wanna be successful here, i came to this forum to share opinions/learn. But once you start saying bullshit, then im willing to argue about it, i wont stay quiet.
I don't think this forum will be impressed by your claims of external world success and how amazingly brilliant you consider yourself to be; the only intelligence that matters is whatever intelligence you show in your actual posts, on the topics at hand.

I think that's the point being made here. Don't talk about your intelligence; show it.

(Do you know how many times people show up here talking about how smart they are, and how they have some awesome idea that will revolutionize the world, yada yada yada, tdlr? But of course it all ends up being hype.)
 
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Is funny that i´ve been banned. I thought that was meant for people that insulted others or are continously going off topic. My post was ment to be something amusing, I apologise if some people felt offended by it.

I hope I never lose my sense of humour like some of the users here who instead of arguing or joking back resort to violent and mindless solutions like insults or bans.

INTP forum? It does not seem like it.

So long. Enjoy yourselves.
 
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Is funny that i´ve been banned. I thought that was meant for people that insulted others or are continously going off topic. My post was ment to be something amusing, I apologise if some people felt offended by it.

I hope I never lose my sense of humour like some of the users here who instead of arguing or joking back resort to violent and mindless solutions like insults or bans.

INTP forum? It does not seem like it.

So long. Enjoy yourselves.
Cognitive dissonance strikes again. 7 days isn't the end of the world.

A fop can't complain that a place contains too many lops if the fop leaves the place, creating a higher density of lops. Just ask Dr. Suess.
Man, youre getting it wrong. The guy said that we cant deliver anything productive, important. I dont wanna be successful here, i came to this forum to share opinions/learn. But once you start saying bullshit, then im willing to argue about it, i wont stay quiet.
*grabs a :cutewhitekitten: hostage* Don't make me do it!

But really, this post was only demonstrating pink:
Im a well developed INTP and i got the drive to do something that i feel passion about. For example, im developing a theory (its pretty advanced, got several reviews as ive been developing it) that could have a huge impact on macroeconomics. If it works ok (it will, ive checked that out), then people will be studying it at most of world economics schools. Suck it, big time. My name will be on capital letters on those books.
^This is completely unsubstantiated. If I ask "What are you doing and how are you doing it?", I'm honestly expecting you to respond with "I can't tell you because it's a secret", which doesn't accomplish or prove anything.

Even after reading ^this, I'm expecting "Well, you'll know when you hear about me in the news as I revolutionize macroeconomics.", which also doesn't accomplish or prove anything. Because, well, we have no idea who you are or what to look for.

But we don't have to go there. All you need to do is explain what you're talking about. The choice is yours. (Sometimes this place has a steep learning curve).

Personally I no longer have a pathological fear of sharing my ideas because there's no way in hell I could ever accomplish them all in 1000 lifetimes.
I think that's the point being made here. Don't talk about your intelligence; show it.
 

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Cognitive dissonance strikes again. 7 days isn't the end of the world.
Lol. I was gonna post essentially the same thing. Bitching about a 7-day ban? That's nothing.

A fop with lops?
It's best to stop.
I'd give him props
to hop on pop.

Personally I no longer have a pathological fear of sharing my ideas because there's no way in hell I could ever accomplish them all in 1000 lifetimes.
Hmmm. So what's the best idea you've had that can be most easily leveraged into income? Please, continue!
 
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Lol. I was gonna post essentially the same thing. Bitching about a 7-day ban? That's nothing.

Hmmm. So what's the best idea you've had that can be most easily leveraged into income? Please, continue!
No, that wasn't me in the picture.
I'm the shadow in the background in that other pic you took that showed :eek:.
I can't believe I just typed that.
So you work for the social security administration, right? :angel:
Easily? They're all illegal.
 
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Lol. I was gonna post essentially the same thing. Bitching about a 7-day ban? That's nothing.

A fop with lops?
It's best to stop.
I'd give him props
to hop on pop.



Hmmm. So what's the best idea you've had that can be most easily leveraged into income? Please, continue!
I´m not bitching about the 7 days, I really don´t care whether is 1 day or permanent ban because I don´t think I´ll be comming back here, not because I felt insulted, but because I think I have nothing to gain from a bunch of kids who are felling powerful with their forum tools instead of using their brain to deal with the issue.

By the way, do you realise that you two have been off topic and trolling throughout this post and i´m the one banned? now thats ironic.
 
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I´m not bitching about the 7 days, I really don´t care whether is 1 day or permanent ban because I don´t think I´ll be comming back here, not because I felt insulted, but because I think I have nothing to gain from a bunch of kids who are felling powerful with their forum tools instead of using their brain to deal with the issue.

By the way, do you realise that you two have been off topic and trolling throughout this post and i´m the one banned? now thats ironic.
That'll never change if you go away, silly.

And the OP was pretty terrible and directionless (an INTP thing? The directionlessness, not the terribleness). I don't think anyone should feel bad for the derail.
 

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I think you'll find you're putting words in my mouth. That was most certainly not my argument nor does it represent my thoughts. Your argument, on the other hand, is a borderline Straw Man Fallacy.

My argument was that my mum (who I used in the example) started off in less than excellent circumstances and still managed to make something of her life. She did not do this through simple 'optimism' she did it through hard work. I never said that my family was the only one 'ever affected by capitalism and industry' I used my family as an example because I knew it best.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find an Australian (as I am Australian) who thinks that they're a 'slave to capitalism and industry'. I also think you'll find that the countries who are more likely to be 'slaves to capitalism and industry' are those who believe that they're all 'slaves to capitalism and industry'.

Finally, don't tell me that I'm incapable of stepping back and seeing the bigger picture, or 'realising situations beyond my immediate self'.
Acknowledged, but you have pretty much already demonstrated and even admitted that you were not thinking past your own self.

Not only did you bring up a familial anecdote to make a point that capitalism and industry are not the problem("but the people are"), you also continued to focus on first world Australians when I repeatedly emphasized that capitalism also affects foreign countries because of globalized industry.

You either are not paying attention, or are being deceptive. However you finally did consider other people outside the first world, but you still maintain that industry & capitalism is a psychology problem "except they get more leeway".

Your insistence upon the agency of the individual and refusal to acknowledge the differences in environmental conditions & social mobility for those millions of people outside the first world just shows how limited your perception is.
 

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I´m not bitching about the 7 days, I really don´t care whether is 1 day or permanent ban because I don´t think I´ll be comming back here, not because I felt insulted, but because I think I have nothing to gain from a bunch of kids who are felling powerful with their forum tools instead of using their brain to deal with the issue.

By the way, do you realise that you two have been off topic and trolling throughout this post and i´m the one banned? now thats ironic.
"Ugh this whole place is so beneath me, I'm just going to make a dupe account to subvert my ban and tell them all how I'm never coming back."

Yes, clearly we are the children here.
 

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By the way, do you realise that you two have been off topic and trolling throughout this post and i´m the one banned? now thats ironic.
... almost ironic as getting a perma for creating a dupe -- to complain about a derail in a troll thread?

I feel like I just saw a car accident.
 

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I couldn't have formulated it better myself.
In fact, i couldn't have formulated it myself.
But, Cavalli, please be rational and don't take it personal.
Observe the structure.
 

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No, that wasn't me in the picture.
I'm the shadow in the background in that other pic you took that showed :eek:.
I can't believe I just typed that.
I do.

So you work for the social security administration, right? :angel:
I do, until you get me fired.

Easily? They're all illegal.
Whatever I do, I do for the love of my family and that makes it all better.

 
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Ladies and gentlemen.

I find this a frightening thread at least from my point of view. I arrived late, read most of it and don't say I recall it all, but seems no one came to Gargamel's defense on what I see as a perfectly legitimate topic.
I rather be a little bit dumber and be able to accomplish what I want to do than being a little bit smarter and be sitting on my ass all day doing nothing.

Sincerely,

Your INTJ friend.
Seems to me that is a very simple statement about the desirability to be active. I identify with it. By calling himself INTJ it gives it more force. Makes sense to me but what went wrong with this thread? I see three themes:

1. The OP
2. Gargamel's character
3. Off topic posts, some questioning #2.

1. Not being active, procrastinating is a familiar theme for INTP's. Shouldn't this have been the theme of the thread?

2. Is there some history of Gargamel that precedes him that he should be frowned on? I fail to see him as a troll in spite of himself.

3. I saw Gargamel reply to something but he was misinterpreted IMO.

Any responses to this post? I am willing to come to his defense if you guys are willing to address any of these issues.
 
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He made a thread for the purpose of trolling and then admitted to being a troll.

From forum rules.

Ragnar said:
02/ No Trolls.
 
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He made a thread for the purpose of trolling and then admitted to being a troll.

From forum rules.
I question whether that was his purpose or whether he was conned into saying that. Still you may know more than I do and could be right. I'll take a look.
 
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Defense of Gargamel

This was an experiment. I wanted to see the reactions to a baseless opinion criticizing what I think is the trait less liked by INTPs: Procrastination.
I don't see the OP as an experiment. It is real. I do see ... I don't know how to tactfully put it ... 3 or 4 direct personal attacks on you which are unmerited. Being inactive versus active is close to the OP topic. Being attacked is disconcerting and may have caused you to be defensive. It would trouble me if I were attacked so.

Early conclusions of the experiment:

The comment touched a nerve.
Yes.

Some took the opinion personally and turned to ad hominem fallacies
Yes.

Others showed off how they are planning to be famous while I’ll be grinding the hamster wheel
He is referring to this I think: Just saying...


Somehow the topic turned to slavery, capitalism and communist discussion... I really can't explain how did this happen
Yes.

A couple of guys took a big picture approach and realized that this post did not make much sense.
Which post? You mean the OP? The theme was usurped.

In short, I'm a fellow INTP who was bored and curious so decided to come back trolling an experiment to the forum.
I believe this post to be one of self-depreciation in the face of heavy off-topic posts. You didn't know how to renew your own OP. You are too innocent to be a troll ... and your OP is legit.


Hello again!
You are trying to renew.
 

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Acknowledged, but you have pretty much already demonstrated and even admitted that you were not thinking past your own self.

Not only did you bring up a familial anecdote to make a point that capitalism and industry are not the problem("but the people are"), you also continued to focus on first world Australians when I repeatedly emphasized that capitalism also affects foreign countries because of globalized industry.

You either are not paying attention, or are being deceptive. However you finally did consider other people outside the first world, but you still maintain that industry & capitalism is a psychology problem "except they get more leeway".

Your insistence upon the agency of the individual and refusal to acknowledge the differences in environmental conditions & social mobility for those millions of people outside the first world just shows how limited your perception is.
I'm going to address everything in order.

  • I was stating what I was under the impression we were talking about - that is first world countries - I have no idea how you can interpret that as me only thinking about myself.
  • I used a familial anecdote because it's something I can guarantee to be accurate - because it's accurate. Please tell me why that's wrong?
  • Okay, I'll address that when I'm finished this then.
  • No, I did not say it was a psychological problem. Obviously it is you who is not paying attention. I was explaining a psychological concept that I'd attributed to being an apparent 'slave to capitalism' to Blarraun. This was that if someone has the mindset that they are a slave to capitalism - as you seem to have - they will act as if they do, thus making it unlikely that they will 'escape' the 'slavery'.
  • Third world countries get more leeway. Yes. Perhaps not the best word, I apologise. What I meant here was that the percentage of people in a poverty trap is much higher due to the conditions you talk about.

...you also continued to focus on first world Australians when I repeatedly emphasized that capitalism also affects foreign countries because of globalized industry.
Yes, I continued to focus on the first world because I was under the impression that's what we were talking about. I know capitalism affects foreign countries. My opinion on foreign countries is the same as first world ones anyway - except that the percentage of people who are in a position that's near impossible - note the near - to change is greater.

Your insistence upon the agency of the individual and refusal to acknowledge the differences in environmental conditions & social mobility for those millions of people outside the first world just shows how limited your perception is.
Perhaps it's you that's incapable '[...]at this point in your life to realize situations beyond your immediate self[...]' because I can assure you my perception of these people is not limited. I've spoken to people from the poorest of war torn countries in Africa who've walked across five countries with their family to escape that shit, and they've made it to Australia and now they lead a healthy and successful life. Would you like me to give you more anecdotes? Ones that aren't familial? How about the young bloke I spoke to at the start of the year.

This man walked across four war torn countries in Africa to get a boat that could take him to Australia. Did I mention he was carrying his best friends wife and their child for half the journey? And that he did this after watching said best friend get shot and tortured.

I don't know if you just stay cooped up inside or whatever, but I think it's you that doesn't have the big enough world view. I think you need to go outside, talk to some strangers and get some faith in humanity because there are people out there who've been through so much to get where they are today and honestly, you're just insulting them by acting like 'it's not [my] fault that the big nasty capitalist slave man has got me'.

I couldn't have formulated it better myself.
In fact, i couldn't have formulated it myself.
But, Cavalli, please be rational and don't take it personal.
Observe the structure.
I'm being rational.
I'm not taking this personal.
I just believe I'm right.

I don't deny that there are bad things in the world - that people are in horrible situations. I just deny that it's impossible to escape these situations.

-

As for how this off-topic-ness started: I merely meant to make a joke and it evolved from that. I don't believe I have anything to add to my argument here and I'm not going to shift from my position as I believe everyone has it in them to change their lives (that sounds really guru-y I know). I can sense that this is going to head in a very unpleasant direction soon so I suggest we just leave at this and do that thing that I've never tried before where we agree to disagree.

So I'll just offer out my hand now and see what happens - but it was a pleasure chatting with you, even if perhaps we both seem to have misinterpreted the others argument at times.

:starwars: Also this bc I love Star Wars.
 
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This was an experiment. I wanted to see the reactions to a baseless opinion criticizing what I think is the trait less liked by INTPs: Procrastination.
I don't see the OP as an experiment. It is real. I do see ... I don't know how to tactfully put it ... 3 or 4 direct personal attacks on you* which are unmerited. Being inactive versus active is close to the topic. Being attacked is disconcerting and may have cause you to be defensive. It would trouble me if I were attacked so.

Early conclusions of the experiment:

The comment touched a nerve.
Yes.

Some took the opinion personally and turned to ad hominem fallacies
Yes.

Others showed off how they are planning to be famous while I’ll be grinding the hamster wheel
He is referring to this I think: Just saying...


Somehow the topic turned to slavery, capitalism and communist discussion... I really can't explain how did this happen
Yes.

A couple of guys took a big picture approach and realized that this post did not make much sense.
Which post? You mean the OP? The theme was usurped.

In short, I'm a fellow INTP who was bored and curious so decided to come back trolling an experiment to the forum.
I believe this post to be one of self-depreciation in the face of heavy off-topic posts. You didn't know how to renew your own OP. You are too innocent to be a troll ... and your OP is legit.


Hello again!
You are trying to renew.
_______________________

*I called these personal attacks, but wish to qualify. None were heavy enough to violate Forum principles IMO. It was the cumulative effect plus the off topic-ness (not a violation either) which caused Gargamel to falsely call himself a troll. It reminds me of gang rape. Starts out slowly and builds to a heavy drama. Attack me enough and golly I must have deserved it.
 

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I can still see how valid he was with his idea of procastination.

I feel like like any more attention directed towards this thread that was designed to suck attention and remain pointless is void and

yaaaaaawn*
Sleep>Procastination>Other pointless stuff
 

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To be honest, the whole thread wasn't worth getting banned over. The OP was a one-sentence opener that I could agree with on some level (and I was kind of surprised at the pushback he got, although I can see how it also seemed a bit snarky). I think I made a zing at it somewhere, then didn't come back to the thread for awhile.

Who's at fault for G getting banned? G knew the rules and yet labeled himself a troll (misguided), and then after he got banned, created a dupe to circumvent a ban. That's typically a perma on any forum. He was a member for over two years, who at his banning only had 22 posts to his name, so it's clear he didn't have much invested here anyway. I think if he had been a long-time member with some real contributions, then he wouldn't have taken a temp ban.

If you watch how things work here, it seems pretty clear that once you actually have contributed to the forum, you have some money to burn if you feel like playing around a bit. You've shown you do have something to offer. But people who screw off early in their posting history don't typically end up contributing a ton in the long run and just create headaches for the mods, so I see why they pull the trigger earlier now.
 
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Well this and that, yes and no, here and there, right and wrong.
To be honest, the whole thread wasn't worth getting banned over. The OP was a one-sentence opener that I could agree with on some level (and I was kind of surprised at the pushback he got, although I can see how it also seemed a bit snarky). I think I made a zing at it somewhere, then didn't come back to the thread for awhile.
Yes not worth getting banned over. Not sure why he got zinged. Look at the 2nd post. Questionable yet okay among friends.

Who's at fault for G getting banned? G knew the rules and yet labeled himself a troll (misguided), and then after he got banned, created a dupe to circumvent a ban. That's typically a perma on any forum.
Did he take the rules seriously? How do you not know he could be 15 years oldish socially. Typical for INTP's. No one that age buys off on rules. A dupe is not allowed for spam reasons I think. It's a technical no-no.

He was a member for over two years, who at his banning only had 22 posts to his name, so it's clear he didn't have much invested here anyway. I think if he had been a long-time member with some real contributions, then he wouldn't have taken a temp ban.
This is where I would argue. 22 posts is like a newcomer. Over such a span of time, do we want to draw him in to encourage him or punish him for not participating? I say get to know the person first. He is naive. So what? Since when is that a crime? Being rude to a naive person is pushing power in our self-interest. Damn. Can't do that to a newcomer. Same, I say, with this guy. I like his OP. It threw me at first until I saw it's meaning. It's meaning is profound in spite of the author.



If you watch how things work here, it seems pretty clear that once you actually have contributed to the forum, you have some money to burn if you feel like playing around a bit. You've shown you do have something to offer. But people who screw off early in their posting history don't typically end up contributing a ton in the long run and just create headaches for the mods, so I see why they pull the trigger earlier now.
Yes and no. Those who contribute gain a certain power, but its an old saying to say responsibility goes along with that. I should talk. What do I know?

Added: contributions are worth something. I contribute (but f*ck me. I can screw up anytime.) What if I didn't? I might want to be shown how? I might want somebody to pick me up when I fall on my face? I might want someone to inquire if I really was a fool or some other faux pas.
 

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Who's at fault for G getting banned? G knew the rules and yet labeled himself a troll (misguided), and then after he got banned, created a dupe to circumvent a ban. That's typically a perma on any forum. He was a member for over two years, who at his banning only had 22 posts to his name, so it's clear he didn't have much invested here anyway. I think if he had been a long-time member with some real contributions, then he wouldn't have taken a temp ban.

If you watch how things work here, it seems pretty clear that once you actually have contributed to the forum, you have some money to burn if you feel like playing around a bit. You've shown you do have something to offer. But people who screw off early in their posting history don't typically end up contributing a ton in the long run and just create headaches for the mods, so I see why they pull the trigger earlier now.
Yep.
 

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I'm going to address everything in order.

  • I was stating what I was under the impression we were talking about - that is first world countries - I have no idea how you can interpret that as me only thinking about myself.
  • I used a familial anecdote because it's something I can guarantee to be accurate - because it's accurate. Please tell me why that's wrong?
  • Okay, I'll address that when I'm finished this then.
  • No, I did not say it was a psychological problem. Obviously it is you who is not paying attention. I was explaining a psychological concept that I'd attributed to being an apparent 'slave to capitalism' to Blarraun. This was that if someone has the mindset that they are a slave to capitalism - as you seem to have - they will act as if they do, thus making it unlikely that they will 'escape' the 'slavery'.
  • Third world countries get more leeway. Yes. Perhaps not the best word, I apologise. What I meant here was that the percentage of people in a poverty trap is much higher due to the conditions you talk about.



Yes, I continued to focus on the first world because I was under the impression that's what we were talking about. I know capitalism affects foreign countries. My opinion on foreign countries is the same as first world ones anyway - except that the percentage of people who are in a position that's near impossible - note the near - to change is greater.
You're not even considering the state of an impoverished and slaved existence itself, you're merely focusing on socioeconomic mobility.

It doesn't matter. Socioeconomic inequalities and industry abuses exist, what about getting rid of them? This is what's important.



Perhaps it's you that's incapable '[...]at this point in your life to realize situations beyond your immediate self[...]' because I can assure you my perception of these people is not limited. I've spoken to people from the poorest of war torn countries in Africa who've walked across five countries with their family to escape that shit, and they've made it to Australia and now they lead a healthy and successful life. Would you like me to give you more anecdotes? Ones that aren't familial? How about the young bloke I spoke to at the start of the year.

This man walked across four war torn countries in Africa to get a boat that could take him to Australia. Did I mention he was carrying his best friends wife and their child for half the journey? And that he did this after watching said best friend get shot and tortured.

I don't know if you just stay cooped up inside or whatever, but I think it's you that doesn't have the big enough world view. I think you need to go outside, talk to some strangers and get some faith in humanity because there are people out there who've been through so much to get where they are today and honestly, you're just insulting them by acting like 'it's not [my] fault that the big nasty capitalist slave man has got me'.
Anecdotal success stories have no relevance to the fact that industry has impoverished and enslaved populations(or at least perpetuated it), and even in regulated countries like the United States, there is still the hierarchical system of worker exploitation in the name of company profits. It permeates all of society, especially politics, that has far reaching consequences that go beyond any single individual's ability to escape poverty and/or become wealthy.

Even if we were specifically concerned with the ability of people, in and below poverty, to win at capitalism, you are only providing exceptions to the rule.
 

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Alright man whatever floats your boat. I'm not shifting from my position and obviously beither are you so let's just leave it at that. There's no point going around in circles.

Inb4 you say I'm back pedaling because I know I'm wrong.

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I question whether that was his purpose or whether he was conned into saying that. Still you may know more than I do and could be right. I'll take a look.
Hey thanks for defending me. You are right, I have no idea why they banned me. I thought that my post was valid and I wanted to come back to the forum with some sense of humor. I'm not a troll, i've never been banned from a forum before.

I think that "Absurdity" got mad at me and when I said that it was somewhat a troll experiment (I should not have used the word troll) he used that for banning me... My mistake, I guess I thought people would be intelligent enough to know that you can say the word troll without being one...

I appreciate your effort, but I think it is not worth it to share opinions with people so certain of themselves and yet so intolerant to others.

Now he can feel powerfull and manly by banning me for the third time. Is a shame because I wanted to come back to the forum, contributing and being more active... some times life is not fair, I can live with that.

Thanks and good luck to all of you. Bye bye!
 

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lol. Zombie member is back. Aim for the head this time! :p
 
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Hey thanks for defending me. You are right, I have no idea why they banned me. I thought that my post was valid and I wanted to come back to the forum with some sense of humor. I'm not a troll, i've never been banned from a forum before.

I think that "Absurdity" got mad at me and when I said that it was somewhat a troll experiment (I should not have used the word troll) he used that for banning me... My mistake, I guess I thought people would be intelligent enough to know that you can say the word troll without being one...

I appreciate your effort, but I think it is not worth it to share opinions with people so certain of themselves and yet so intolerant to others.

Now he can feel powerfull and manly by banning me for the third time. Is a shame because I wanted to come back to the forum, contributing and being more active... some times life is not fair, I can live with that.

Thanks and good luck to all of you. Bye bye!
Hey. I just sent you a private email not knowing you would post this live. Creating another account is against the rules. I would say hold on. Moderators must preserve a certain order and uphold the rules of the Forum. That is their job. Sometimes they make human mistakes. (I do.) Then we have to see who can forgive whom. There is no one here not subject to human error.

Gang. I hope to post a message later showing more of who this Gargamel really his (from his earlier posts). When a minority person is beat up on, I am strongly motivated to defend them. At the same time they are not allowed to break the law. But then can the law itself need looking at? Your call gang.
 
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Sometimes what we say is true ain't.
Originally Posted by redbaron

He made a thread for the purpose of trolling and then admitted to being a troll.
(1) He never said he made the thread for trolling.

(2) He said he was a troll, but lied to please others.
 

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Perhaps we should revise the rules to include "no human experimentation allowed".

Forums are communities of people, not objects to be played with. Trolling/experimenting/lying to make a point (especially a rather lame point that has been beaten to death) is not appreciated by the mods. A sense of community exists because a sense of continuity and trust has been established through conversation and debate.


Trying to reintroduce yourself into a community that doesn't know you through flamebait? Great idea.
Being too childish to not take the temp ban in passing, and instead come back swinging more comments about the inferiority of the forum members vs yourself? Brilliant indeed.


Enough time wasted. Some of us actually have stuff to do.

BAP: Tilting at windmills, man...
 

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If everyone had taken my lead, there would have been no problem. I read the OP and considered it an offense towards my intellect, and therefor not worthy of a reply. I also have enough trouble getting back to those who are worthy of a reply. So there is no way I'm spending time on an OP such as this. *hmm*

Enough time wasted. Some of us actually have stuff to do.
Indeed.

*reading the OP again*
*:confused:*
*who accomplished what they want?*
 
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Okay. I will start over my thinking after talking with some people. Bear with me. For the moment and forget the original post.

Take a look at how this poster introduced himself initially and tell me what you think of his character. You need not read all of it. Unnecessary as it may not be to your interest. I just want to point out what the poster is really like:

How were you as a Child?

Thoughts About Modern Life

Wage Slavery

Do you find any of the above indicative he is going to be a troll? I don't.

It is difficult to understand the OP meaning and I think I only got closer to its meaning after reading it a few times. Don't forget English is not his native language. None of us are familiar with this poster I assume. I think he jumped in too early with his OP and should have clarified who he was and clarified the post he was making.
Please ignore the spoiler below. It's only for the record to show I changed how I approached this issue.
Guys. I could use your advice.
I rather be a little bit dumber and be able to accomplish what I want to do than being a little bit smarter and be sitting on my ass all day doing nothing.

Sincerely,

Your INTJ friend.
I purport to support Gargamel. I'm just saying ... should I be a little bit dumber by putting my own head in a noose and further my support of an individual we do not know, or be a little bit wiser by avoiding the opposition of those who have far greater popularity and myself end up doing nothing?

Sincerely,

BAP acting as an INTJ.
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INTJ stuff:

I was wrong about G. He is not 15 years old. I thought I would research more of what he was like.
I'm from southamerica (Chile) and I will try to explain in English something that is even difficult for me to say in my native language.

I recently did an online test and found out that I am an INTP; it's incredible how well I fit the description, although I do not fit the nerdy stereotype.

I'm 31 years old and I’m working as a market researcher (I like statistics and psychology).
His style is fluid. He speaks of sociology and generalities. If anything his is not the writing of a troll.

He initiated this thread:
Thoughts About Modern Life
He made this post there:

My principles can be summarized by mixing two phrases:

one person's freedom ends where another's begins
live and let live
Does this sound like a troll?

So what do you think? Should I operate on principle and defend this guy I do not know and who is not popular known? Or should I stand down in the face of authority ... the authority of those who may be comrades on this thread?

BAP (acting as an INTJ.)
 

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I agree with BigApplePi.
http://intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=405040&postcount=30
We should have given him a chance to redeem himself.
Actually, i think that's what a temporary ban is for.
Unfortunately he did not realize it and got himself into even more trouble.

He had a chance, but failed to recognize it.
That's too bad, but i can understand the moderator's perspective as well.
 

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I just want to point out what the poster is really like:

How were you as a Child?

Thoughts About Modern Life

Wage Slavery

Do you find any of the above indicative he is going to be a troll? I don't.
Good stuff.
Appears the actions made was what happened in this thread.

I'm on the fence. The first ban was not clear, both sides seems to make sense. The second is clear. According to the rules.

If I post porn photography now, what happens then? It is my choice if I get banned or not? at least that would be preferable.
 

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BAP: Tilting at windmills, man...
And then if one gets knocked over... then what?

It's like a dog chasing cars, Rex doesn't know what to do when he finally catches one. :D
 
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Just saying...there r rules

..... Yep. We needs a BIG sign. .....

No experimental threads. Any experiment can blow up.

No testing human reactions. They are all too fragile.

No playing with people. We do not play games here.

No offending mods. They are not only human, they are superhuman.

No rehashing old themes. We've heard them before. Newcomers should know better.

No beating of dead horses ... they rarely if ever wake up.

No flaming your fellow posters even if they are kinda chilly.

Above all preserve the community. Beware of those who are different. They could induce change.

Never tolerate a troll. We know them when we see them. No one likes a troll.

Do not act childishly. We never were there ourselves.

Always respect temp bans. They could be extended.

Never question a ban. There is no defense.

No wasting time. People have better things to do.

And no windmill tilting. Windmills have the right to evolve revolve.
 

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I think I may start to understand the irony of the OP..intentionally or not. That is impressive procrastination, even makes people 'do something'.

Haha. I hope it was all intentional. It doesn't fit with the reregistration

Never mind, I'm out :storks:

Unless someone considers my post worthy of a response.

And seriously, can't we stop this silly banning stuff? What is the point? It seems mostly loss, and little gain. Why not seberia? What does it matter if one closed area is spammed with stuff? May even do for procreation. Not always serious stuff.

Just an idea, nothing else.
 
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I think I may start to understand the irony of the OP..intentionally or not. That is impressive procrastination, even makes people 'do something'.

Unless someone considers my post worthy of a response.
Your post is worthy of a response. What went wrong? The thread took off on a number of unfavorable responses to the OP. The OP was not clear in meaning. When such a thing happens I'd say, questions should be asked. Below are some possible questions.
I rather be a little bit dumber and be able to accomplish what I want to do than being a little bit smarter and be sitting on my ass all day doing nothing.

Sincerely,

Your INTJ friend.
I thought you had said you were INTP. Why are you now saying INTJ? What do you mean "dumber"? What is it you wish to accomplish? How exactly would you be smarter by sitting on your ass all day?

We could look at the way Gargamel answered these questions. No matter how he answered we would find out his meaning and all those assumptions about his bad intentions might have been dispelled. Salmoneus tried here, but it wasn't enough.


And seriously, can't we stop this silly banning stuff? What is the point? It seems mostly loss, and little gain. Why not seberia?
The way I see it the moderators saw the thread was not going well. When G felt he was backed into a corner and claimed he was a troll, the moderator seized the opportunity to put an end to the way things were going.

My view is by asking questions to clarify in the first place, which anyone could have done, the entire thread could have been rectified. This is what I would recommend for any new thread which has an unclear purpose. Who knows? Some great things could come out of it.
 

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This post is about clarification.
We could look at the way Gargamel answered these questions. No matter how he answered we would find out his meaning and all those assumptions about his bad intentions might have been dispelled. Salmoneus tried here, but it wasn't enough.
Speaking for my self, I can not figure out all assumptions, meanings, and bad intentions in the way a questionnaire is answered. Was there any assumption? The problem was the literal breaking of the rules?
 
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This post is about clarification.

Speaking for my self, I can not figure out all assumptions, meanings, and bad intentions in the way a questionnaire is answered. Was there any assumption? The problem was the literal breaking of the rules?
A fellow is asked, "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no?"

No matter how he answers, he is in trouble.

We can ask what are the assumptions? When he finally answers, yes or no, we can punish him for breaking the rules.

Is his crime he answered? Are we better off for asking the question?
 
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I don't think this forum will be impressed by your claims of external world success and how amazingly brilliant you consider yourself to be; the only intelligence that matters is whatever intelligence you show in your actual posts, on the topics at hand.

I think that's the point being made here. Don't talk about your intelligence; show it.

(Do you know how many times people show up here talking about how smart they are, and how they have some awesome idea that will revolutionize the world, yada yada yada, tdlr? But of course it all ends up being hype.)
The point is that this guy believes he will be more succesful than us just cause he's INTJ and not INTP. Thats plain wrong, i spoke up not because i wanna impress somebody, but because im delivering, so im a counterexample to his hypothesis, do you get me?.

BTW, i dont have to prove to you how smart i am.
 
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Cognitive dissonance strikes again. 7 days isn't the end of the world.

A fop can't complain that a place contains too many lops if the fop leaves the place, creating a higher density of lops. Just ask Dr. Suess.

*grabs a :cutewhitekitten: hostage* Don't make me do it!

But really, this post was only demonstrating pink:

^This is completely unsubstantiated. If I ask "What are you doing and how are you doing it?", I'm honestly expecting you to respond with "I can't tell you because it's a secret", which doesn't accomplish or prove anything.

Even after reading ^this, I'm expecting "Well, you'll know when you hear about me in the news as I revolutionize macroeconomics.", which also doesn't accomplish or prove anything. Because, well, we have no idea who you are or what to look for.

But we don't have to go there. All you need to do is explain what you're talking about. The choice is yours. (Sometimes this place has a steep learning curve).

Personally I no longer have a pathological fear of sharing my ideas because there's no way in hell I could ever accomplish them all in 1000 lifetimes.

The model im developing is a general case for the phillips curve. So the current model is a particular case from my model. And you can use the expectations setting you consider (adaptatives, rational, dumb people, etc). So, its a very powerful tool, and it demonstrates that a moderated-high inflation equilibrium is a nash suboptimal, which is a big deal. I got the math quite polished, the only thing left to do is estimate the model for actual economies, im getting help from a guy thats into econometrics (i know some, but im not a pro unlike him). So, it'll be very helpful for people to understand the implications and maybe even help to develop better policies in the future.
 
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The point is that this guy believes he will be more succesful than us just cause he's INTJ and not INTP. Thats plain wrong, i spoke up not because i wanna impress somebody, but because im delivering, so im a counterexample to his hypothesis, do you get me?.

BTW, i dont have to prove to you how smart i am.
This whole sequence of ours was supposed to lead up to the use of Ron Paul memes. But you cut it short. :phear:
But I'm still using them anyway. :twisteddevil:

The model im developing is a general case for the phillips curve. So the current model is a particular case from my model. And you can use the expectations setting you consider (adaptatives, rational, dumb people, etc). So, its a very powerful tool, and it demonstrates that a moderated-high inflation equilibrium is a nash suboptimal, which is a big deal. I got the math quite polished, the only thing left to do is estimate the model for actual economies, im getting help from a guy thats into econometrics (i know some, but im not a pro unlike him). So, it'll be very helpful for people to understand the implications and maybe even help to develop better policies in the future.
I like this. :D

How difficult would it be to transform your model into one that's purely agent-based and incorporates perception, i.e. an agent can only react to what's within its sphere of perception/knowledge? This takes it from merely categories to a full gradient of adaptability, and produces a more refined equilibrium region (a region as opposed to a point because of adaptation and because of perceptions that extend outside of the economy, like input shocks. A region because if it's a point, it's in constant motion. But this doesn't prevent you from refining the specific area that the point occupies, through the use of triangulation).
 
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This whole sequence of ours was supposed to lead up to the use of Ron Paul memes. But you cut it short. :phear:
But I'm still using them anyway. :twisteddevil:


I like this. :D

How difficult would it be to transform your model into one that's purely agent-based and incorporates perception, i.e. an agent can only react to what's within its sphere of perception/knowledge? This takes it from merely categories to a full gradient of adaptability, and produces a more refined equilibrium region (a region as opposed to a point because of adaptation and because of perceptions that extend outside of the economy, like input shocks. A region because if it's a point, it's in constant motion. But this doesn't prevent you from refining the specific area that the point occupies, through the use of triangulation).
You can incorporate different types of perceptions/reactions, ive let the door open to it. Thats part of the beauty of it. Depending on that set of perceptions you will obtain different results.

On the other hand, I know that its not the ultimate possible model, but its better than the one thats tought at universities right now. Of course, after i present it, there will be people that will improve it, big time, and even discard it, but thats science, its meant to be like that.
 
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