Jaded

[Cognisant]

It's that midway between idealistic and cynical that somehow manages to be even worse, for example misanthropy when one knows what great potential people have, but it's potential that goes unrealised. Or understanding exactly how happiness & depression are just states of mind that can be changed/controlled if one is just willing to try, but it never lasts, happiness takes so much effort to maintain.

Being jaded is not being cynical or depressed, it's questioning why one wants to be idealistic or happy, in fact that may be the source of the problem, constantly asking why.

Can someone remind me why we value hope?

Or tell me why I should stop asking "Why"?
Can an INTP even do that?

 

[Deleted member 1424]

First of all you should never stop asking 'why?'

'Happiness' is empty and 'contentment' is the only true sin. What are they if not ignorance, apathy, or laziness? You're not dead yet, you don't have the right to be static. There is beauty in strife and a brief ecstasy in the moments of triumph. Like it's been said; endlessly rolling a boulder up a hill. Finding a challenge and overcoming it; could be anywhere from leading a revolution to mastering an instrument. We're not perfect, we must keep moving forward, even if it would be ever so easy to lie still. That is hope. Without hope, without that desire to move forward, we only have one alternative; to decay and to die. So if you feel jaded, start moving, start changing what you can, and chose your own purpose.

 

[Cognisant]

There is beauty in strife and a brief ecstasy in the moments of triumph. Like it's been said; endlessly rolling a boulder up a hill. Finding a challenge and overcoming it; could be anywhere from leading a revolution to mastering an instrument.

The fulfilment of achievement is hollow, a transitory sensation, gratifying in the short term but I cannot help questioning why I want it; it's not that I'm incapable of enjoying the meaningless gratification, it's just that I don't need it.

I'm not unhappy, nor do I feel the need to be happy.

Edit: Actually now that I've dispensed with the notion that being jaded is a bad thing this is actually quite peaceful, the right mindset for clarity.

 

[Adymus]

Why would I tell you to stop asking why?

We are born with a will to achieve. Will to power, will to greatness, or maybe just will to live. Either way it will be a will to accomplish something.

Whether accomplishment has any objective intrinsic value or meaning at all is completely irrelevant. You will never find objective meaning in anything, but why should you need it when you are living a subjective life? Perhaps your existence really has no meaning at all, why does that mean you should boycott participation of existence?

Your life is yours to do as you will, wasting it with stagnance is always an option, but why would you want to when you could actually, dare I say, try and enjoy it?

 

[Deleted member 1424]

That is why I said it is brief. It's only real usefulness as an indicator you're moving the right direction, of course one that you have to choose. Keep in mind I wasn't only talking about ambition or self fulfillment of one's ego; more a need to try to improve something for it's own sake, whether that be an understanding or a system on a small or grand scale.

You do have some desires, that is self-evident since you seek someone who can change your perspective into something more bearable. However what you need is not someone else's brilliant wordplay, but I suspect something to motivate and consume you. You fear wasted potential in others and quite possibly in yourself. You need somewhere to direct your energies. That is something you're far better off choosing yourself, then letting someone else choose though.

This may sound stupid, but perhaps you should try immersing yourself in a cause. Not just through observation, but to experience every aspect. Even become subjective in relation to it.

As observant as INTPs can be, we often miss the obvious of simply doing something and physically being involved.

edit: I reserve the right to be completely and shamefully wrong.

 

[Cognisant]

You will never find objective meaning in anything, but why should you need it when you are living a subjective life?

Ah yes this would be the "don't question it" solution, where I'm told I should seek enjoyment for the sheer sake of it, or from a somewhat darker perspective: when everyone's an addict what’s to be gained by refusing?
(gratification being like a drug in that it can be desperately wanted but is never actually needed)

Your life is yours to do as you will, wasting it with stagnance is always an option, but why would you want to when you could actually, dare I say, try and enjoy it?

Carpe diem, I get the point, heck I've given that speech more than once.
It's not that I don't appreciate it, just that it's a cliché.

You fear wasted potential in others and quite possibly in yourself.

Misanthropy & Hypercriticism are the bastard twins of irony.
...
Damn that’s hilarious.

This may sound stupid, but perhaps you should try immersing yourself in a cause. Not just through observation, but to experience every aspect. Even become subjective in relation to it.

So you suggest I surrender my will to collective, like loosing myself in a rave or cheering mindlessly for my regional team... this coming from someone who's a staunch individualist
Or better yet join a bleeding-heart's cause that ultimately achieves nothing other than feeding Fe-egos and fostering a false sense of progress, LMAO.

Edit:

You do have some desires, that is self-evident since you seek someone who can change your perspective into something more bearable.

Keep in mind I said that while firmly believing nobody ever will.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

So you suggest I surrender my will to collective, like loosing myself in a rave or cheering mindlessly for my regional team... this coming from someone who's a staunch individualist

No. I'm saying find something you value, and throw yourself into it. You obviously don't value drug induced dancing or alcohol induced cheering, so in your case I would not recommend raves or sports. Better yet, if you can't find something, then make it. Little else more individualist then that.

Or better yet join a bleeding-heart's cause that ultimately achieves nothing other than feeding Fe-egos and fostering a false sense of progress, LMAO.

Better yet join one and actually do something!
...or have you given up? [yes that was a challenge ]

 

[Cognisant]

*notices his strings are being pulled*

*doesn’t particularly mind*

 

[Vrecknidj]

Or understanding exactly how happiness & depression are just states of mind that can be changed/controlled if one is just willing to try...

The word "depression" is such an inappropriate term for the condition. I like the way you phrased this, because it avoids the usual error of saying that one can will oneself out of depression, but, that's about as easy as willing oneself out of blindness.

The notion you've presented, specifically that one can change things even while depressed, works for me. However, it sometimes takes more than just a willingness to try.

Dave

 

[bluesquid]

"I'm not unhappy, nor do I feel the need to be happy."

you sound sane to me. Once read that people should have the emotional brevity of a child.

Im still happy about using the bathroom by myself, would be hyperbolic example of how not to be.

Let the idealism go. But remember. Let the hope go, but remember. Let the cynicism go, but remember.

Its all about doing whats best for you. Hopefully your one of the ones that recognizes doing whats best for everyone, is in your interest.

 

[LAM]

Putting my diminuitive problems up aside real ones always gave me purpose. Can't really be bothered explaining it but here goes: I realise then how I squander my opportunities, how I waste my life, how others would do such an amazing job out of my life. There was no reason and now there is: it is my duty to enjoy my life even when I don't want to. Your life is a greatest gift you could have and yet you do not realise it. You live it out in complete ignorance of the value of it..